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Mesanna ... are you TRYING to drive people away from EM events?

Discussion in 'UO Spiels N Rants' started by Ailish, Apr 25, 2009.

  1. Ailish

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    Tonight there was a mini-event on Napa. It was alot of fun, tho it could have had a bit more participation. In an effort to get some more participation, and just in the spirit of giving some reward to our shard-mates, my husband donated 2 mil gold for prizes. Just gold, nothing interesting.

    Well, when the EM was giving the prizes out, Mesanna shows up and jerks him off to talk, in front of everyone standing there. We were all baffled, trying to figure out what happened. Later on, we learn that donations can no longer be taken for prizes for EM events ...

    Ok, so you have people TRYING to help get interest going on for the events, and donating harmless items that are not being modified in any way to uber sellables, and we get our hands slapped for it. What the heck? This is REALLY disheartening.

    Further, to jerk the EM right there with people watching was, in my opinion, VERY unprofessional and rude, and no doubt embarrassing to an EM who is just trying to make fun for people. It was just wrong, and left a sour note on the whole event, which was actually very fun. Now, instead of remembering the fun, we get to remember this was the event where Mesanna RUINED the fun.

    Now, I want to say, I don't dislike Mesanna, but this was just too much.
     
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    :(

    That's discouraging.

    -Galen's player
     
  3. THP

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    your still getting given in the hand items ....from mini events??? jeeze...i kinda thought the winners know got named items in the EM Muesum and participates can receive only token itmes of attendance....

    Its the taking part in 'any event' thats nice and encourged not the recieving of event item winning prizes.....it kinda allows each shard to keep its own shard items to themselves?
     
  4. Jirel of Joiry

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    *SIGH* Hasn't everyone figured out yet they could give a hoot and hell less about UO?!?!?

    I mean look at the customer service, then look at what they've done in the so-called interest of "fairness" to the EM events. Heck they can't even handle cheaters in UO yet they have "BANHAMMER" over in Warhammer!?!?

    It don't take a damned rocket scientist to see they really want UO to DIE.

    Gee, this is same company that claims to have LOST How many BILLION dollars last Quarter? You'd THINK they'd WANT to salvage a established game and try to make it into a money maker.

    Yet, with EA and UO its one step forward and 3 steps back. :wall:

    Just forget-about-it and enjoy the game while we have it. Its not worth getting your blood pressure up over.

    Sorry to be cynical but that's my two gps worth.
     
  5. Tomas_Bryce

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    If that is a policy then it has to be enforced. There is a good reason why they have policies on these matters. I can think of at least six things going terribly wrong with EM's accepting rewards from the players.

    Considering many of us saw Mesanna decorating the counselor's hall on Christmas Eve, I am not about to question her dedication to the EM program. Neither should you be.

    Seriously, some of you people could complain after winning a jackpot.
     
  6. MoneyMaker

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    *prepares self for the flaming to come*

    I hate to be the other side of the coin, But.........
    The most likely reason they will not allow donations for the prizes is the rampant problem with duped items.
    I am sure that it would really turn a sour note to hear that a winner of an event was banned shortly after for having a duped item, that was won at the event.
    You have to remember the EMs are not employees of EA and have no way of knowing if an item is a duped item or gold.

    I am sure that mesanna could have handled it a bit differently, but most likely she had just learned about it herself and was trying to prevent, what could have been a much larger problem.
     
  7. Ailish

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    The "item" in question was just gold (so that no one would cry foul on it being a "leet" item if they didnt get it), and it was donated by the players.

    Tomas, please explain to me how it could go drastically wrong. It was gold only, no high end item, and the donator specifically did NOT participate so that no one could say it was favoritism if he happened to win. Please explain to me what the harm is in the shard getting INVOLVED in the events??

    Pay attention. My complaint has mostly to do with the way the situation was handled. Common courtesy should be expected.

    Mesanna may be dedicated to the program, but jerking the EM right there in front of everyone was the height of disgusting. I can't even begin to imagine how the EM feels. He has again and again reiterated to us that he may no create prizes and that any prizes were DONATED. In the end, even if they wanted to tell him that wasnt allowed, fine, but to do it like that? I honestly think she owes the participants and the EM an appology.
     
  8. Jirel of Joiry

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    Tomas, I'm not complaining...I'm just cynical that's all.

    I've learned to just enjoy UO for what it is and to not worry about stuff like cheaters, dupers, speedhackers, AFK scripters, and whinerbabies who think OMG I didn't get a EM Event item so I'm gonna raise 10 kinds of Bloody hell over it.

    EAMythic can't seem to do anything about the first 4 and they tend to kiss the derriree of the last ones. At the end of the day folks...it just doesn't really matter.
     
  9. Tomas_Bryce

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    Erm,

    1) EM's internet connection goes boom leading to the event being cancelled/postponed. The EM holds it on the next day when not everyone who donated the gold is able to online. A disgruntled donor gets pissed.

    2) Donation = a type of oblgation. People who donate to the presidential campaigns often do it to get influence over the president. Same can be argued here.

    3) In your case it was gold, in other cases it could be illegal items that the EM was not aware of. Rest is history.

    I could go on but I am not going to.

    If the policy was in place and was being broken (for whatever reason), what else can be done but to "jerk/call/whatever" the offending party and set it straight? Twiddle thumbs instead? Seriously,..
     
  10. Tiri

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    I am sure your gift was intended to bring joy to the event. Thank you for your support. I can not speak for Tomas but I can see how things could go wrong. Another player could see it as a bribe and later accuse your EM of favoritism. The EM's are not suppose to show any preference. I am not saying that yours would ( sounds like he is a lot of fun and doing good events) but there are a lot of players who may make the accusation. That is one way. Then if an EM is in the habit of accepting checks, (again I am not saying from you) Who is to say another player wouldn't deliberately dupe something.
    I am sure there are other reasons as well. Like continuity across shards.
    When ever an Event has had problems on my shard (like spammers or extremely rude players) Mesanna is always the first person to show up and help.
    Maybe we should seek ways to be positive so that the fun programs continue
     
  11. zared of napa

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    Thats just it!!! The low population of whiners screwed it up(I didnt get a item).
    When EM's first came out I took part for the thrill of the event the goodies was a side item..still feel that way.I have done everything in my power To help our EM.

    When a person does a mel they dont get items everytime RIGHT

    I donated the items for more attendance and i get my hand slapped. I support my EM

    Ea should just go back to the original EM events and forget the damn whiners. sorry if u all disagree
     
  12. Ailish

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    (Reply to Tomas and Tiri) I have a really hard time fathoming that anyone who donates a prize would really expect favoritism. In this case the donation is more like a CHARITY donation, not a PRESIDENTIAL donation. Its extremely frustrating to see people trying to HELP the EM program in whatever way they can, only to have it pretty much insinuated that they had nefarious purpose, or that the EMs would even involve themselves in such. And holy cow, worst case the donator did get preference ... so they get back an item that was theirs to begin with?? And explain to me how it would be different if I, at the end, personally handed out prizes?

    All that aside, my biggest issue was still with the way it was handled. I adore our EM and I am mortified on his behalf, and also mortified that something I did (after all, I donated for the LAST event) got him in trouble.
     
  13. Uriah Heep

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    Ahh y'all might as well give it up. What started off as a great and noble thing, (EM program) has already been whittled down to no awards, no tokens, no this no that, and I am sure it will get pared down even more.

    In the end, I don't see the EM program running for long, for just this reason. To many ***** and complain about every little thing.
    We had one event that was run thru hythloth...peeps bitched about dieing and having to fight balrons. Then they griped because awards were given out to those who had particular books that were looted off the balrons, saying they didnt think to loot the balrons as they killed em. *yawns*

    Then we had a race, and a dart throwin contest, and people griped cause it was "boring" and had "no action" *shakes head*

    If the program is to survive, Mesanna should take it back to the beginning, free up the EMs to do what they were doing, and have someone on hand to jail the rowdies and the kiddies and the disruptive elements. Instead of giving in to every crybaby, stand up and say "This is the way it is, and the way it is going to be, participate, don't participate, we dont mind either way, but you will not be allowed to disrupt."

    /end rant
     
  14. zared of napa

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    I love You In my angry tunnel vision i couldnt think of the wording

    Free our EM's stop the opression



    Side note dying is always part of a EM event as it should be.... monsters pvp it dont matter i want fun .
    The EM's Have to follow a rules that are choking fun out of it.
     
  15. Sweeney

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    Our EM has been MIA for a month (Siege). You should still feel a bit grateful.
     
  16. Arch Magus

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    :talktothehand:.....Hammer time!

    ..but seriously, who cares. You don't need to be donating things to these events. They create this stuff out of thin pixel air and they don't need anything from players.
     
  17. Ailish

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    I only have sympathy for your situation, but I don't see how that should make me greatful that a developer put a total downer on our event. The two have nothing to do with eachother. I hate to say it, but its just that sort of attitude that has got us to this point in the first place ... the people saying "You should just be greatful there ARE events, and I dont get this and that and I am emotionally distressed by it".

    I'm not trying to be mean Sweeny, but your complaint, I think, belongs elsewhere. Perhaps in its own thread or an e-mail.
     
  18. Sweeney

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    That's not my name.
     
  19. zared of napa

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    Your complaint is valid I will come EM for U ;)

    n/m i cant i care about uo and keeping customers
     
  20. Ailish

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    Oh FFS! Have you never made a typo, misspelled a word? My sincerest appologies for abusing you sensibilities by not automatically knowing the spelling of every single person on stratics and for typing too quickly to have made certain that, althought it is resoundingly obvious who I was talking to, I made the mortal mistake of forgettin an E.

    Seriously?
     
  21. Nonel

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    Little wound up, are we?
     
  22. Jirel of Joiry

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    QFT!!!

    IMHO They should go ahead and put the EM program out of it misery. I mean its to the point the EM can barly do ANYTHING. Thank the WHINERBABIES who yell "OMG I DIDN'T AN ITEM AT THE EVENT!! I'M GOING TO SUE EAMYTHIC BECAUSE MY PARENTS ARE RICHER THAN GOD AND GIVES ME EVERYTHING I WANT WAAAAAAAH!" I HOPE that this isn't behavior of actual over 21 adults because If you're an adult acting like that then IMHO you need to seek professional help FAST!

    Thanks to the greedy jerks "Name That Tune Game" has been killed off by WWR as of tonight. They didn't even finish the game.

    I think IMHO, that EAMYTHIC are long overdue in hauling out the Banstick and start kicking ASS and Taking Names! EAMYTHIC if you do not have the collective CAJONES to do the job I'll do it FOR FREE...You don't even have to pay me a red cent not nothing!
     
  23. Tomas_Bryce

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    Are you serious? Based on what you said (correct me if I am wrong), Mesanna appeared and whisked the EM away to straighten out the matter. How exactly is that mishandling? In fact, that is exactly how you are supposed to handle a situation like this!!

    Now, if she had started cussing out the EM for not following the policy in FRONT OF YOU then you might have a case. However, escorting the EM to another place and explaining them why they cannot do something is not mishandling. Ignoring a situation that breaks an established policy, however, would be mishandling.

    You are being plain silly.
     
  24. Ailish

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    Um, she could have adressed it via e-mail, or via their internal forums that I am sure they have. She could have waited until the people had dispersed. Heck, she could have pulled him away without making it obvious she was doing so! Party chat, direct tell, any number of things! It was not necessary to make a public display of it.

    Its not like he could just say "oh, nevermind, I have to give the prizes back to the donator" because the donator was not even there. The prizes had already been give out, the supposed "damage" already done ... waiting until a more private moment would have done no harm, and would have not left a stain on the event.
     
  25. MalagAste

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    Could have been worse she could have fired your EM on the spot... then you'd be without an EM at all... so count your lucky stars she just gave them a "talking to" and let them on their way...

    As for the event... I really don't think EM's should be participating in that sort of thing... it only promotes the "gimme, gimme, gimme" attitude that plagues the game of late. Seems to me that anymore almost No one will participate in anything if they don't feel they are "getting something" and then what's worse... they seem to only judge things by how much they can sell it for...

    Nothing has any meaning to anyone anymore... Used to be doing a good deed was it's own reward... Saving a town or defeating the Evil Foe was the reward and it was fun... Now if there isn't some instant gratification and some "rare" drop item or whatever that people want to sell to be instantly wealthy they don't want to participate at all...

    I'm glad I'm not plagued by this affliction. Greed is not one of the Virtues.
     
  26. Jhym

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    Once again, everybody involved is wrong at some level, so it's all EA's fault.

    Donor: you shouldn't have donated to an event that has the sanction of an EM -- no reason you couldn't have GIVEN OUT the item with the EM announcing it, but the EM shouldn't have done so (which I gather is what he did.) This gives your donation an "official" sanction that they do not want. They have no idea where your donation came from, nor what effects it can have later (how many people whine because they don't get a SASH for Blackthorn's sake, HONESTLY.)

    EM: you really should know better -- you should have refused the donation or asked the donor to give the prize out with you as announcer. It's not a horrible mistake, but for semi-sanctioned events you have to be cautious and only give things out that EA condones and approves, largely to stop the whiny brats.

    Mesanna: it would have been more appropriate to talk to the EM after the event. Your customers are more likely to accept such a situation without comment if it's done behind closed doors and the EM then just notes that he cannot accept donations for events later on. Since you know this is a pretty broad game with lots of gossips, you just added a whole new level to the conspiracy theories that was really unneeded.


    Honestly, a way overwrought response and not needed to solve the problems -- OH I FORGOT, this is UOHall, home of drama.

    :wall:
     
  27. Go to Atlantic.
    Our EMs didnt have an event so you wouldnt have anything to complain about.

    Im amazed at what people post.....:cursing:
     
  28. Otis Firefly

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    Free our EM's
    let them give out the rewards that they want to give out
    let the people cry about it who want to cry about it!, nothings gunna change xept the topic of what to cry about..
    ,just my 2 cents
     
  29. Sunrise

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    I second this...
     
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    Amen!
     
  31. Make that 4 :)
     
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    I agree, this wasn't handled well from the way it sounds. EMs hang out in IRC and Mesanna could have communicated in channel that there was a new procedure in place, or could have partied them or told them after the event was over. It's not TEH END OF TEH WORLD OHNOES if they wait till after the event to say something.

    It's obviously just my opinion, but when you have the customer walking away from an interaction saying it was handled poorly, it probably was. Because their opinion of what has transpired is important.

    I also remember some marital advice my godfather gave me long ago, you don't argue with your significant other in front of other people, if you have a problem you support them in public and talk about it in private. Mesanna chose to talk to them in private (good) but really should have waited so as to not make it look like a scene.
     
  33. Anywho, the post threw me off when it said "jerked him off to talk". LOL

    It was an EM event. Your donations mean nothing unless the EM says they are needed. Stop complaining.
     
  34. Sweeney

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    All the more reason why player run events are worth 10x more than EM events. By now you should all realize the community keeps your shard together, not an EM handing out sashes (Though I wish Siege had an EM to give out sashes).
     
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    Seriously THE BIG QUESTION IS....why would the EMs even need donatations be it gold or items??
     
  36. Petrify

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    At least your EM's aren't bias towards certain people. Oh that and we are getting the dumbest events.
     
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    i tend to agree with the op, donated gold and didnt take part in the event. a thoughtful way to help.
    bad management to take em to one side and bo!!ock them in front of everyone.
    fortunately on europa we have a guild called Hlp that help new players and returning players in haven. i tend to donate gold to them from time to time.
    :danceb:
    keep the broccoli dancing
     
  38. THP

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    Can anyone answer this???
     
  39. Im pretty sure the EMs didnt ask for anything.

    Sure, it was a nice deed to donate but dont complain if they dont use/want/need your donations.

    Should I start a thread about the lack of this EM event on Atlantic?
    Probably, considering everyone elses threads on this forum.

    Will I?
    No. I dont think its something to start a thread about. Just like this thread. Its just another way of getting the EM events cancelled.
     
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    Ea and the Ems have to be so careful about these things, so i really dont see the big issue and how the EM was whisked away was harmful ... i dont think he was pulled into a dungeon and tortured...

    I think the main issue here is the whold Million gold thing... yes it was a donation and yes well ment , but look at it this way...

    EM gave the 2nd place your 2 mill may have even mentioned it to the player....
    Playes goes off telling his friend how your EM gives out gold as prices ... maybe even sais "couple mill" but nowhere mentions that is was a donted price...
    The friend goes off and tells his best buddy... hey my friend gor several mills as a price from an EM...
    # days later you will have UHALL screeming "i thought they dont give out multy million Gold prices anymore but a small token instead!!!"

    EMs will ask for donations if they want or need them , they have done so on Atlantic and where flooded with flowers heh...

    If you want to run an Event and give out prices feel free to but you most likly have to run it yourself :)
    Just try to remember , the EMs have to be completly neutral or we will see the EMs go poof again :(
     
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    Ailish, I can see your point of view, but the fact remains most of these policies we aren't fond of are the results of players who ruin it for others (ie dupers). If a policy is in place, when exactly was Mesanna supposed to enforce it? People say after the event, but is that really a good idea? Let the EM hand out the million gold check, then go tell them it's against policy and take that check back? Imagine the uproar.

    How do you think it should have been handled? Don't make any assumptions either, like "The EMs are in IRC together." You are assuming that is true. What if it is not and Mesanna's only recourse was to pull the EM aside in-game?
     
  42. THP

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  43. D'Amavir

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    What I don't get is why players need to EM's to had out 'gifts' to begin with. The 'gimme gimme' mentality is already bad enough without adding even more special items that will, as we have seen, end up on vendors for multi millions.

    The EM's should be focusing more on strengthening the community and not just adding more pseudo rares to the game. I can only speak for myself, but, each time I hear rumors that the EM will be giving out things at an 'event' I choose not to go. However, when I hear that its just going to be the EM either running a mini event, taking part in player run events or even just showing players certain things, I try to go. And I am not the only one.

    Its just like the real world. If a motivational speaker plans a speaking event, it attracts a certain type. If a dealer plans a 'hand out crack and dope' event, it attracts a certain type.
     
  44. Snakeman

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    Exactly, the EM's are turning out to be in Zombie mode with the guidlines EA has placed on them. Give these guys & gals some creativity & let them hand out what THEY want to hand out. And No I don't mean out of this world weps, armor that would unbalance things. That is not what most of us want. All we are looking for is EM creativity, if they want to create a robe, no mods, fine, a shield no mods fine, but ALLOW them some creativity on their respectful shards.
     
  45. Uriah Heep

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    And for those complaining that their EMs are missing in action, after reading a lot of what is written about them, I can see why.

    I would probably not be doin a whole lot either, I don't think, considering the vocal minority seems to be a bunch of greedy ingrates, and the rules/rulings/procedures appear to be getting worse than trying to understand the IRS!

    Most of our EMs, i believe, signed on with the intent to do something for the shards they were assigned to. To bring some fun, a few gifts, a few events, and I believe they took the job with anticipation and excitement, looking forward to breaking the humdrum that we had fallen into. Now the kiddies have cried and had their feelings hurt, so the principal has had to spank the teachers...

    What the heck is wrong with a few people being given rewards for winning a contest? It's the basis of even the player run events, believe it or not!
    Not everyone can be a winner, in spite of what the politically correct want to preach. In anything, be it life, contests, job searches, monster bashes, anything someone will win-someone will lose. Grow up, deal with it, and move on.

    Was good having the EMs while they were here, I have a bad feeling about their long term survival tho. And when they are gone, don't curse and threaten EA/Mythic...look again in the mirror, and re-read all the whining here on Uhall and the different shard boards.
     
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    *tosses in a nickel*
     
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    Exactly. The whole reason the EM thing failed last time is because of all the complaining about what they gave out by people that wanted what they gave out. If you take away the 'gave out' part, EM's can succeed. But only if they select EM's that are creative enough to do more than just toss out items to get people to show up.

    I am digging my shard's EM so far. But, like I said, I skip anything that has to do with him if I find out he will be giving out items. I don't want to be around the type of people that show up for the freebies. That's just a personal opinion of course. If your game enjoyment is built around what someone can give you item wise, that is totally your right.
     
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    And this is okay with you and that is no problem. I can't believe someone wasn't on here crying and griping that "those dang people put furniture around the Yew winery and blocked my recall spot".

    And the second one, wish I woulda been there to participate :)
    That was different and looked like fun... And half of that shard didn't come here to complain that they didnt get a big fish? I am impressed!
     
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    The thing people don't seem to understand is that, at first, you might have people like you are talking about showing up and complaining about not getting so and so. But, as a little time goes by and people realize that EM events won't include some pseudo rare, the type of people that would whine about not getting something will not show up. Then you will be left with just people that want to enjoy some EM creatively and community activity.

    As it stands now, most EM events are filled mostly with the 'gimme gimmes' because they know that they will most likely walk out with a free few million because of some silly item that the EM hands out. Weed those types out and focus on the 'event' and not the 'gift' and the EM program can be successful.

    The way its going now, yes, the EM program is going to fold again in a few months. Which will be another blow to the UO community and lead to more people giving up on it all because there isn't enough focus on the communities. And, as has been said for years, UO is ALL about the communities. Without them UO is just some ugly out of date game from the 90's that hardly anyone plays anymore.