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More pet control slots for everyone!

Discussion in 'UHall' started by Jirel of Joiry, Sep 2, 2015.

  1. Jirel of Joiry

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    After reading Lorax of Pacific's thread I was compelled to write this, so rather than highjack his thread I started my own! I full support Lorax in his efforts! DOWN WITH THE OPRESSION OF THE DEVS! We need more control slots as well as stable slots! Why should a friggin gargoyle be allowed to FLY while having a G-Draggy out and the Elven/Human tamers have to "run" behind their dragons? Why not add a few extra control slots? My Miner would love to ride his GoldBug and have BlueBug follow! There used to not be control slots. Then because some unscrupulous people abused the priveledge of pets, the devs opressed us as punishment! Well I say we've been punished enough!

    WHAT DO WE WANT: MORE CONTROL SLOTS AND STABLE SLOTS FOR EVERYONE!

    WHEN DO WE WANT THEM: NOW!

    STOP THE DEV TEAM OPRESSION!

    I'll join the sit in as soon as I get home from college. (I'm on my lunch break on a ipad).

    until then please chant for me:

    HELL NO! WE WON'T GO!
     
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    No. Because unlike more stable slots, more control slots WOULD have a noticeable impact on the game. Control slots are actually pretty well balanced.
     
  3. Lord Frodo

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    I see what she is asking for and it has been a problem from day one of the Gargs. Give everybody 1 more slot (GD+Ethy) or make flying count as a control slot, problem solved.
     
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    I don't really have an issue with it, but I would be much more up for making flying take a slot. 6 slots opens up the gateway for 6 HH/FO packs and 3 Boura packs (which doesn't sound scary, but it kind of would be).. other things too I am sure.
     
  5. Old Vet Back Again

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    I would much rather see gargs limited to flying counting as a control slot then allowing everyone a 6th. PvP will become just plain stupid.
     
  6. Merus

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    Gargoyles come with both advantages and disadvantages as a tamer. Yes a gargoyle can move faster with a greater dragon out, but the dragon doesn't move any faster. Gargoyles can not mount a pet to move the pet faster regardless of control slots, nor can they mount them to retreat from a fight.

    Personally I think the trade offs for gargoyles are fine and no change (to control slots) is necessary.

    note: I have tamers of all 3 races for the advantages of each race.
     
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    No on more control slots. Yes on making flying take a control slot.
     
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    All good points! :D
     
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    This is even worse than the "let's increase stable slots to 125 because I want it now" idea. #EntitlementSociety

    I also believe developers have said this won't change any time soon.
     
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  10. Jirel of Joiry

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    I really don 't think adding an extra control slot por two is gonna kill pvp ..not when *most* pvpers are running 3rd party apps and speeders! I also think Raptors and frienzied ostards should only take ONE slot each. What's the point of pack instinct if you can only have TWO Raptors or TWO frienzied Ostards? I know everything you read say Frienzied Ostards take one but I assure you it is wrong as I have had frienzieds as they take two. Also drop imps to 1 control slot, seriously if a pack of imps kick your butt WHY are you pvping? I can understand limiting firesteeds for example, they have demon/equine pack instinct and take 2 slots. I would not want a tamer with 5 firesteeds, that would be overpowered and ugly. What ticks me off is pvpers in multi-billion gold suit screaming overpowered, overpowered and at the same doing the crap I previously mention. As for gargoyle tamers besides fly there is that form that makes them almost indestructible. So why not even the playing field?
     
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    There is a HUGE difference between asking for reconsideration on the number of control slots certain pets take and asking for the control slot limit to be increased. I think most would agree that some mobs currently don't make sense. But opening the door to having 2 three slot pets, particularly in pvp, would be unbalanced.
     
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    I agree with everything you said 100%. I feel it is very fair currently. I was just stating that should there be a change that I would prefer flying to count as a control slot rather than giving out more...
     
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    I run billion gold suits and I am screaming OP. Well right now I will. Why would it be fair for a gargoyle to run 2 Dreads at the same time?? If you gave them 1 extra slot that would allow this to happen. Hmm 50dmg breathx2 sounds really fair, now doesn't it?? Seeing as how you don't pvp, or do so with minimal interest you shouldn't state opinions on something that you really have nothin invested in.
     
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    What's a two billion gold suit? Sorry for the noob question...is it a maxed luck suit?
     
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    It means you have spent that amount of gold to make the suit. In other words you have purchased Armor/Weapons/Arties that when combined add up to a billion gold.
     
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    Oh really so 2 Runies(Rune Beetles) would be over powered? Seriously? I have seen pvpers MOW through Rune beetles like they are nothing. It'dd be a nice change from boss/peerless/etc = G-Draggy! How is it over powered to let a miner roll riding a Fire Beetle and have a Blue Beetle in Tow? I respectfully disagree with your arguement! When I first started there were no control slots and yes there were "jerks" with herds of dragons! Also there was no pet bonding. Both came with pub 16. I think 5 is a crappy number, 6 or 7 is fine. No more than 7 because then you are getting into the whole dragon herd issue. While I'm on a roll, who else thinks there should be Greater Ice Wyrms?
     
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    If you want to make a valid argument as to why a rune beetle should be a 2 slot mob instead of 3, knock yourself out. I stand by having 2 three control slot pets is OP in pvp.
     
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    I would like Greater Ice Wyrms...
     
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    Is it "overpowered" or is I prefer EASY PREY? Seriously. Because to me some pvpers are as hard to kill or get a hit on as the Stygian Dragon! I have pvped on a meeler and a tamer. On my tamer you just get G-draggy stuck on a house and kill me. On Meeler I run a serpentine pattern, alternating between bandaids and pally heal, and have high hp. I hav pvpers whine because they have to WORK to kill me. I am killable, but I'm not going to stand there and hand you my insurance money either. So which is it, tell the truth.
     
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    Um, having 2 Beetles casting and possibly double stacking poison would seriously be OP. Is one fairly easy to take out? On some templates, yes. But having 2 of them on you at once leaves you no chance...
     
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    Okay. I have been hit with poison spells and hit with a poison weapon (tank mage) faster than I can heal. i don't chug pots. Is it really over powered? IMHO it'd be even. Pvpers much like wolves pefer the easy kill( i.e. chickens or rabbits) over a tough kill (i.e. a deer or a human). I think that is the crux of the matter. Okay time to head to Business Communications.
     
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    This is seriously getting tiresome as hell. You're not some rugged individualist standing against the decay of society, you're a guy on a forum where people talk about what they want in a video game, trying to position yourself as some sort of moral superior whenever someone talks about something they want.

    But yeah as to the topic, more control slots would break balance to a billion pieces.
     
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    Well for starters, you should probably chug pots...

    and by double stacking poison I was referring to the possibility of them stacking their natural deadly/lethal poisons...
     
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    Well while I agree that the number of slots many pets takes needs to be redone as many take FAR more slots than they are worth.... ie the Reptalon and Skree come to mind...


    I do NOT think we ought to increase the number of slots that we can have. On the same note I see no reason why beetles like the giant beetle and fire beetle take 3 slots either. Many things take up too many slots.

    Taming overall needs to be revamped. IMO.
     
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    So now you are using 9 slots when 6 was all that was asked for. This does nothing to help your argument. Make flying a control slot or give human/elf 6 slots.
     
  26. Jirel of Joiry

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    This is the better alternative! Now if we could get Mesanna to do it!
     
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    Sorry, was a typo. 6 slots is OP.
     
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    Regarding the topic...

    tough to change number of control slots. maybe changing the amount of slots taken up by beatles or some non-fighting pets would make sense, but that's the extent of it that I could see.

    And as much as I am annoyed by Gargs with Drags at EM events and elsewhere with all the flapping wings, It's one of the few advantages that they have that they can fly and use a GD. Take that away and I would guess you really make a deep cut into the Garg class overall.


    LOL. Tiresome as hell? I've posted something to that vein two or three times. It was a sarcastic response to the original poster's "protest". Don't take yourself too seriously dude, life is short. As you pointed out yourself, this is a video game forum.

    Oh and I am a 'rugged individualist' establishment type who stands against the decay of society. As a matter of fact, I may start using exactly that line more often to describe myself. See what you did here? :p
     
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    What advantage does a Garg at an Event or anywhere while controlling a GD have and how would it hurt a Garg while controlling a GD if he could not fly. A Garg while flying can move at mounted speed while controlling a GD and a human/elf can not but the human/elf seems to be able to survive fights fine, mind you we are only talking racial abilities so no other BS added please. Also how are the racial abilities of human/elves so superior to gargs.
     
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    The ability to mount a pet is an advantage in many situations. Regardless of how fast a player can move, un-mounted pets have a fixed speed. By mounting a pet, humans and elves can move their pet much faster. They also have the ability to mount a pet to prevent it from dying or taking additional damage.

    Of course these advantages come into play in different scenarios... so each race has an advantage in certain circumstances. For PvM where greater dragons are most prevalent you might want the advantage of having wings. For pvp using a dreadmare a gargoyle will be at a distinct disadvantage.

    If you only participate in EM events as a tamer and only use a dragon, you already have an option to move at mounted speed... be a gargoyle.

    Otherwise you pick the advantage/disadvantage option that best fits your playstyle. Forcing a gargoyle to walk without the ability to mount gives them all the disadvantages with no offset.
     
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    Meanwhile the dragon lumbers along at uber slow speed.... and how does this make the Gargoyle overpowered? Because now he's 3 screens away and his dragon won't move past the 20 other people.... so he has to log in log out.... get his pet..... meanwhile the elf jumped on his CuSidhe and ran through all that stuff and has been attacking the Mob for the last 2 min while the Gargoyle was busy loging in and out.
     
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    LOL quit adding in. Garg with GD. Human/elf with GD. and you keep avoiding the question. Please go back and try again.
     
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    And you start adding in more BS. 5 slot pets only.
     
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    We don't need any more slots. Tamers have more than enough to control whatever they need. Those without taming have very little practical use for extra slots.
     
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    Use ninjitsu.
     
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    Perhaps you should re-read your own statement?? You specifically posted "how would it hurt a garg while controlling a GD if he could not fly." Question answered.
     
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    It would not hurt him any more than any other race, but IMO you seem to think it would hurt them more than the other races.
     
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    So then why not take away all racial bonuses? It wouldn't hurt them any more than any other race? Very poor circular logic.
     
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    You need to get over yourself, dude. :rolleyes:
     
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    no to more control slots. be easier to just make Ethy's take no control slots. problem then be solved.
     
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    I was responding back to the jerky comment I got in a sarcastic manner. Derp

    I don't personally run a garg tamer, however, judging by the amount of people that do, they must see some advantage to it. Why would they want to be limited to only walking speed? I don't any reason how that would help them.

    I also said nothing to the effect that humans or elves were superior to gargs. That's probably material for an entirely different thread.
     
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    Everyone, please remember to not insult other people while posting. A few posts have been removed.

    In one of the posts that was removed, there was proof that Frenzied Ostards currently take only one control slot, they do not take two slots as was previously mentioned in this thread.
     
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    That is good cause when I run around with my pack of 5 fully trained Frenzies I would hate to think I was exploiting!

    To solve the Garg/GD issue I think the GD should agro on it's owner whenever the garg goes airborn! You flying upsets the GD and he thinks you are flying lunch.....If you really need to fly to get away...do so but now you have a peed off GD also after you!


    Blue beetles were set at 3 slots because back in the day...two fully trained blue beetles would mop the floor with most other combos. New pets arrived on scene...new templates and better armor weapons etc and now 2 blue beetles would be laughed out of yew gate. I would say change the slots to 2.5 slots each....this would allow the fire/blue beetle combo.... but would limit other issues that have not been thought of.
     
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    I see no real issue with making blue/fire beetles a 1 slot critter. You can't ride more than 1 at a time, and anything really worth fighting is going to smash them.

    Bakes and nightmares are about the right power to be level 2. IMO blue/fire beetles aren't even close to that.

    In packs 5 frenzied ostards > 5 blue/fire beetles.

    I just don't see anyone really being OP running around with 5 bugs. At BEST they could train them up and have 5 pack animals that would live a little longer than 5 pack horses if they came under attack. Same goes for mining... If you wanna run around with 1 fire beetle and 4 pack animals to cut down on bank trips, we aren't going to unbalance the ingot market...
     
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    I say no to more control slots, like others before me have said, there are pets that need adjusted especially the fire and blue beetles.
    BUT I DO SAY HELL YEAH TO MORE STABLE SLOTS. I am one of those people that collect rare pets..i.e. The dark wolves when we
    could tame them, the neon purple bunnies, I still have my White Wyrm from 17 years ago, my second tamed mare. First one died when Serpentine
    dragons could make them go wild. :(:(
    But I digress, more stable slots, no more control slots and adjusted pet control slots.

    Just my pennies
     
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    I wholly agree. I have one tamer and about to make another. Both are not gargs for the sole reason that they cannot ride. That is a significant enough trade off in my book. Number of slots is fine as it is. What tamers need is more high end pets. Something comparable to GD in overall power but different. Unlike other PvM specialties, tamers have no intensive to adjust their "weapon" to the environment. Its GD 95% of the time and Cu in the other 5%.
     
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    If they had pack instincts...5 fully trained blue beetles would drop a leet pvper in about 2 seconds. Years ago I use to show up at yew gate with 5 partially trained frenzies on a stealth tamer....there would be dead bodies everywhere before they would finally track me down and destroy me! Mayham and laughs galore!
     
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    With lots more area attack weps, frenzied's wouldn't last long these days, but it was always fun to watch...

    You guys are bringing back the old school! I love it. We should do chicken fights again!!!

    I agree, more taming slots and drop bugs to 2 slots so we can do orange and blue bug together!

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    Get rid of control slots so I can go back to hunting with packs of white wyrms, thanks.
     
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