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My opinion on the Fel book..

Discussion in 'UHall' started by Speedy Orkit, May 9, 2010.

  1. Speedy Orkit

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    I've played in Fel since...well, forever. The only home I have ever owned outside of Fel was on Siege, in Makato, which is still...Fel.

    UO has always been a game of abundant choices: travel by steed, boat, foot. Different housing, no cookie cutter templates, always variation. No set perfect way, always variation.

    It has also, always been about survival. From the thug thief, to parry macer, to sampire, to ninja dexers of today. Fel is a part of UO, and it should be a part of UO. If you can't find a way to evade the PKs for long enough to click a book something is wrong. I am not really ranting, just saying maybe the DEV's felt like adding the PKers to the fun.
     
  2. HD2300

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    imo Mythic is turning UO into WAR, because they saw that it is easy to save a lot of money when you downsize from 50 servers to 4 servers.
     
  3. Arch Magus

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    geez, quit whining already..

    turning into WAR because of a 1 day quest? get over it

    soooo sorry all the greedy trammies didnt get what they wanted handed to them. :sad2:
     
  4. RaDian FlGith

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    No offense to Mythic, but... since UO has been significantly more successful than WAR in its lifetime, my suggestion would be to turn WAR into UO. ;)
     
  5. BajaElladan

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    Developers have been trying to find some magic bullet or formula to lure folks back to Felucca ever since Trammel was created to save Ultima Online.

    Most Players, myself included, left Felucca for Trammel wanting NEVER to return.

    Place powerscrolls in Felucca, double its resources, place Ricardo's Books there, none of it matters and none of it will ever work on most of us.

    If we had to pay for Trammel but Felucca was free, Id stay in Trammel.

    If they double the cost of Trammel and make Felucca free, Id stay in Trammel.

    If they tripled the cost of Trammel and offered to pay me to play in Felucca Id stay in Trammel.

    Most reading this understand it. Developers never will!!!

    We, the vast majority of Payers & Players, left Felucca the first second we were able to so do, for Trammel.

    We are not ever going back!!!

    Elladan of Baja
     
  6. Arch Magus

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    :sad2:

    you would pay 3 times as much $ to play in Trammel vs. Felucca?
     
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    In a New York Minute!!!
     
  8. Whitestar4016

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    I have to agree the tenth book Ricardo vol 10 that is spot has already been posted and is already being camped by pk griefers, nuff said.
     
  9. HD2300

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    ^^ Sometimes non optimal decisions are made to appease a very vocal minority. Unfortunately when this happens everyone loses long term.
     
  10. Arch Magus

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    There's a very vocal minority saying that they want Ricardo books in Felucca?:gee:
     
  11. Voodoo990

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    x2

    And would I pay more if I had too for a trammel type of shard, more then likely, would I play on a felucca type of shard at a reduced price, no.
     
  12. Arch Magus

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    I'm not sure what everyone is complaining about.

    You are still allowed to quest out all your characters and get all those sweet "items" you all want, aren't ya?

    Isn't that what you want, the sweet items?

    Please, continue your quest spamming. You'll have nothing but "drop rates" to complain about in weeks/months to come, I'm sure. :grouphug:
     
  13. Voodoo990

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    And you don't? Wow!! Now aren't you just better then everybody!
     
  14. five oclock

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    aye and for the longest time I have heard nothing but the cry babies reds saying there are no events in our area....we want events to...

    So the devs do something....

    and the boards lite up like the fourth of July..

    btw greedy trammies? Umm Fel is the only place for Power scrolls...and they go for how much?? hellloooo gold......
     
  15. Arch Magus

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    lol..

    i haven't even been following any storylines, etc.. just got back into the game a couple weeks ago, training some newb characters..

    No, i can honestly say I don't..

    I'm also not whining about them not being handed to me. :grouphug:
     
  16. Arch Magus

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    ha..
    the rarest powerscroll goes for 1/4 as much as these new items from Medusa and the others.

    yes, greedy trammies. you hit the nail on the head. :thumbup1:

    and who lit the boards up like the 4th of July? trammies complaining about some books being in felucca for 1 day. ...
     
  17. Babble

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    I am not really sure UO was ever about survival. For a surviving society they have lots of full and safe towns. Closest to a survival game was maybe the Minax attack on many towns, a feat EA never manged to duplicate.

    I still doubt though it is clever to put a static quest item on a pvp facet for a non pvp crowd.
     
  18. Arch Magus

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    yes, that book on an island with no way off was pretty ridiculous.
    doesnt really make any sense.
    that I agree with.
     
  19. Voodoo990

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    Greedy trammies LMFAO, nothing to do with the stuff, has everything to do with dealing with fucluccans, kind of like what is going on right now on the boards, this is getting old kind of like dealing with fucluccans in game gets old...... Oh since your greedless, can I have all your stuff??
     
  20. Arch Magus

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    as a matter of fact.. on Chesapeake i have lots of 120's, replicas, sot's and stuff i've been giving away to trammies i've pk'd and ressed out in the lost lands.

    feel free to pm me if you want anything on chessy :)
     
  21. Arch Magus

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    but no, you can't have ALL the stuff... silly greedy trammy rolleyes:
     
  22. Voodoo990

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    But you don't want or need any of it, don't give it to me just throw it away....... you have the need for in game superiority complex fucluccan
     
  23. Arch Magus

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    I dont understand. O_0

    i'll continute to give them to those who actually want/need/appreciate them, thanks :grouphug:

    oooo... love my new sig by the way. Thanks to whoever created it.
     
  24. Viper09

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    Sheesh. One little part of an event takes place in Fel and whine whine whine. Whine because you just MIGHT for one instance need help from other players instead of doing it all by yourself.
     
  25. You obviously do not understand the definition of Greed.

    Main Entry: greed
    Pronunciation: \ˈgrēd\
    Function: noun
    Etymology: back-formation from greedy
    Date: 1609

    : a selfish and excessive desire for more of something (as money) than is needed


    More than is needed doesn't mean he's being greedy by not giving everything away....in fact you wanting him to give everything away shows your greedy trammie nature.
     
  26. Arch Magus

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    thanks.. I dont consider myself greedy in anyway, and I like to show the Trammelites that I meet in felucca that we are not all bad.

    some folks on the other hand... well, you know. ..greedy trammy nature and all that :)
     
  27. Voodoo990

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    I fully understand Greed, what you don't seem to understand is that greed is subjective, "need" is the key word in your argument and since need is subjective as well who is to say he needs anything at all?

    Main Entry: subjective
    Pronunciation: sub-'jek-tiv
    Function: adjective
    1 : of, relating to, or constituting a subject : as a obsolete : of, relating to, or characteristic of one that is a subject especially in lack of freedom of action or in submissiveness b : being or relating to a grammatical subject; especially : NOMINATIVE
    2 : of or relating to the essential being of that which has substance, qualities, attributes, or relations
    3 a : characteristic of or belonging to reality as perceived rather than as independent of mind : PHENOMENAL -- compare OBJECTIVE 1b b : relating to or being experience or knowledge as conditioned by personal mental characteristics or states
    4 a (1) : peculiar to a particular individual : PERSONAL <subjective judgments> (2) : modified or affected by personal views, experience, or background <a subjective account of the incident> b : arising from conditions within the brain or sense organs and not directly caused by external stimuli <subjective sensations> c : arising out of or identified by means of one's perception of one's own states and processes <a subjective symptom of disease> -- compare OBJECTIVE 1c

    Hey how about that I can Google, cut and paste just like you and look mine is more detailed. Cutting and pasting out off a web page dictionary doesn't make you wiser little man.

    And the fact that you jumped in on this shows the true ganking nature of fucluccans
     
  28. Voodoo990

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    Your an absolute saint in the game, I hope that helps you in your RL.

    Damn starting to feel like I'm in felucca now, talking to all the fucluccans on here is bringing me down. Going back to being a mellow Trammie Carebare... I'm out, cya.
     
  29. Arch Magus

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    mellow? far from it it seems, you do kind of get 'worked up' over nothing...

    it's a shame the only thing bringing me down in this thread is you're attitude toward the game, and my playstyle.

    'tis a pity. :grouphug:
     
  30. Bobar

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    Well I dont go to Fel - EVER. So having obtained both items from the early days I have no problem at all with not going for the last couple of days. Having said that I also think this is one of the stupidest decisions I have seen made.

    What is the point?. It is fine for me and others who have the items but what about the newish player with just a couple of chars and who has not been lucky and got the items?. He has a choice - not go and if he wants them to pay the current silly prices these things go at OR if he wants a couple of further chances he HAS to go to Fel and end up as easy prey for the PKers who enjoy easy kills. And this so the Fel community is able to take part?. What a joke!. I do not pretend to understand the ethics of PKing but killing crafters and defenceless characters seems a funny way to enjoy oneself to me.

    I wonder what the Fel community would think if the Devs came up with a Fel based quest when the last couple of items were to be found in Trammel?. One at Luna bank for example. I wonder how enthusiastically that would be greeted.
     
  31. Arch Magus

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    I have no idea why they put some of these books in Felucca.
    it really does seem like Trammelite bating doesn't it?:popcorn:

    Option 3 for the newish character? Don't try and get the item b/c these things aren't a big deal... at all...
    they can go and train in 5/6 other worlds where there is nothing to fear but monsters.
     
  32. Der Rock

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    the problem here is (for most of the player)
    they feed those people with new carrots the majority of players attempt to starve out them

    it IS a lame/antisocial/uneducated/braggy and poor behavior

    a behavior that 99% of the players dont like and stay away from.....

    what kind of heroism is it when someone kill people wich

    1.appears in that land a good sec before he can see himself on his computer
    2.with a lantern in the hand
    3.as a tailor/miner or whatever non combat character

    what makes those "player" happy if they kill harmless people ?

    is it the lowest level of primitive life ?...such as stealing kids the halloween candy-bag ?

    all that 5-10% of the so called hardcore classic "PvP" peolple should think : WHY is the land
    (shard) they love so much, soooooooo empty ?

    what gives fel. the right for existence today ?
    -remove scrolls
    -remove dbl.resources

    what will remain ?

    a land more depopulated as the sahara

    :)
     
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    Maybe it's been about survival for you, but not everyone played before the preTrammel days. I probably held my breath every single time I recalled to my house because it was next to a pk guild's headquarters. That sucked by the way. But there are plenty of players that started playing after Trammel was already created and have very limited experience with thieves or pks. If the developers truly cared about its entire player base, they could have found a more diplomatic way to run these quests. If there had been a Trammel quest line and a Felucca quest line running at the same time, there wouldn't be the arguing that we have now. I can't be the only one frustrated with the Trammel/Felucca argument after all these long years.
     
  34. maroite

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    I get it now... Reds want easy targets to grief, instead of actual challenging pvp. :lol:

    Why do you need trammies to PvP? Last I checked reds could kill other reds... rolleyes:
     
  35. Cloak&Dagger

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    This is getting out of hand xD. But I will post anyway. I have to agree the grief "pvpers" are nothing more than children, the real populace of Fel is nothing Like the people on these boards explain. For starters, there are far more trammel players that are robust than there are Fel players, this means for each Fel player, as you people describe them, there are 3-5 Trammel players just like that. Way to many griever in tram, in fact I have less chance of being griefed in fel than I do in tram.

    As stated the grief "pvpers" (I say it that way because they are not pvpers, they are the same as the trammel griefers all they do is try to grief people, not try to pvp) need to be dealt with, it is not like the entire populace of Fel showed up to these books and started to kill ONLY the non-fel populace. If any real Fellucian was there, they were either a) doing the quest or b) doing the quest and fighting their Felluccian enemies, They would not care about the people from tram, unless of course you all were acting how you are acting on here.

    If they had a Fel event and put the last segment in Tram, the only people complaining would be reds. Do you know why? Because they can not enter tram, last I checked ALL tram players could enter fel...See the difference? Any non-red Fellucian player would simply walk into luna do that part and leave.

    New players may have a hard time with being skilled or geared enough, but honest new players have no problem going to fel. They also have no problem with being killed, you know why? Because they could just as easily die by monsters. Being pked is not so horrible, Being griefed is, rez killed, hunted down, things like that. But then...People luring in tram is just as bad, no? Or how about people just coming and taking over what ever little pvm thing you happen to be doing? You can't do nothing about it except leave, and if they somehow manage to find you (you know across 5 or so facets) Only then can you page on them, But this kind of thing happens all the time in tram, and all you people can do is complain that you MIGHT find a griefer in fel? Or perhaps you might happen to find one of few completely role playing murders? Honestly, you could have been griefed the entire event, and all you can think about is how you can be harrassed in fel? get off the high horse, you can experience the same amount of grief in tram as you can in fel, only difference is in fel, you can do something about it.

    Thank you for your time, and sorry I went on so long.
     
  36. Sevin0oo0

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    i don't pvp, but i can understand the challenge it offers. a trammy in fel is blue, & blue means innocent? has uo done one thing to encourage pvp'rs to fight other pvp'rs instead of innocents?seems lame to kill a crafter that isn't owning, i just don't see the challenge in that, i see a challenge in killing an experienced tough pvp player, but it's not rewarding, not as compared to killing tough monsters. PVP seems like a game within a game, which needs it's own rules & rewards, all i see is it separating the player base, & forgotten. A forced playstyle is not the answer, as bad as they wanted it to be.

    imho
     
  37. Dermott of LS

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    I can only make claim for LS with this.

    But as a general Trammel based player, today wasn't bad for either of the two Fel spots.

    1. Day 9 spot has been abandoned, so even if you have to boat your way over, the likelyhood of running into someone (much less a gank squad) is significantly lower than it was yesterday. I was able to get in and out (boating, footing, and marking) without a problem.

    2. Day 10 is busy, but it's so close to the Ocllo border than it's not as big of a problem as people make it out to be, if things are covered up, just stand inside the guardzone and Ctrl-Shift until the book appears, then double click the bar to bring it onto your target window (either client) and use that OR Last Object macro, then run up, grab it, and run to safety, no problem.

    On the one hand, the gank squad will always act like they do (and be the reason why Fel remains empty), on the other hand, the complaining about the books in Fel is a bit overdone IMO.

    Again... the sky isn't falling, and the quest is reasonably easily completeable.
     
  38. UOKaiser

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    Greed shouldn't even be a word. If someone came up to you and gave you 10 million dollars in real world money you going to say no thanks thats more than I need to survive and am not greedy?If you say yes to this then first place you need to go to get checked in is Shutter island.
     
  39. Cloak&Dagger

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    not everyone needs things of monetary value to live, or be happy. (Not to get me wrong, I am fairly sure I would say yes as I wish to give my wife and kids everything they want...and this would help) you are not asking a question of greed when you ask this question, for the question is, once you say yes, what do you do with this money? Do you buy yourself a house, new car, other things? Or do you buy things for various family members? Perhaps give some to a number of homeless people? Accepting the money does not make you greedy, and if anyone says other wise they are no longer being subjective.
     
  40. UOKaiser

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    It's not what is done with the money as thats' anybody guess. But the word greed it self is about taking more than you need. Which by it self if you have anything more than food,shelter,and companionship then the person becomes greedy with 2 shelters,tv,car,computer luxuries at anytime in life. if the person takes the money then by itself he greedyly took the the money to give it to people he beleives deserve it more than the person that gave him the cash. If anybody bemefits from him taking the money and giving it away more than food,shelter,and companionship then they are greedy as well. All in all the word just shouldn't exist neither. Especialy in the deadly sins of hell thing cause one of the circles of hell are the people who take more than they need and the people who have less than they need.Pretty hard to decipher that circle :)

    Either way it just doesn't belong in our life as we eat more than we need to survive,just being on the internet makes us greedy and the homeless are commithing the other sin of not having what they need. Anyway our collective is that the more the better and the rich,politicians,corporate owners live and die by that rule. We just don't like them cause they have things most of us don't which comes jeoulousy no matter how much we deny it. Hell even having more than one companion over our lifetime makes us greedy.

    Once again I go into deeper meaning but my saying the word greed should be removed from dictionary and replaced with Very well of or lucky sob.
     
  41. Dermott of LS

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    I don't really consider greed to be taking something you are given, or getting something for which you have worked or traded.

    Basically, if someone came up and gave me $10 million, I would gladly take it, I get paid to do the work I do on a weekly basis at my place of employment, and occasionally, I trade in the Metals market and make a few extra bucks. None of that is "greed" in my eyes.

    Greed to me is demanding that people give what they have worked for to you for nothing. Demanding people "pay your way" through life is greedy. In UO terms, gank squads are greedy (they don't PvP for challenge regardless what they say on their high horse here). People who demand that rulesets be changed to fit their playstyle are greedy (looking at several posters in the past few days from BOTH sides with this one).
     
  42. Divie

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    your post says it all, in particular the fact that for a couple of extra chances????? my god man 90% if not more of all events are based in tram even in this event 8 out of 10 are in complete safety and yet you have the audacity to suggest that if a part of a fel event was held in tram it would be an outrage? yes there are players that gank people for no reason other than spite but this happens in tram too, there will always be people who play against your playstyle but to actually complain when the ratio is so heavily in your favour is just dumb when if you actually got together some team spirit and did things in a group this would actually benefit the game. one of the spots is less than 10 or 15 paces from a guard zone for crying out loud. I spent the day helping people get the book and yet still i'm listed in the fell side of things simply because i enjoyed the event grow a pair and actually cooperate before you make such posts
     
  43. Cloak&Dagger

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    As has been pointed out, greed is subjective. So taking more than you need, to put to good use, is not greed. Because considering it as a subjective word, means it is subject to what is done with what is gained. You could be greedy for power, but only if you use that power in a selfish way. "Very well off" or "Lucky sob" is not the same as greed, greed requires an intent, while being lucky is simply that.
     
  44. Cloak&Dagger

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    A good portion of the pvpers who post on these boards are not "Gank squad" I will not say all of them, but a fair amount of them are not, in fact I would even go as far as to say that some of them are respectable players, even if they do pvp or even if they pk. But yes the gankers don't play for pvp they play to cause grief, which could be considered greedy. But then the people complaining about it are also greedy. Your description of greed is good, and even your adding it into uo terms is acceptable, but you attacked one play style and not the rest?
     
  45. Tom_Builder

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    I dont see what the big deal is. I did the fel books with no problem, even with my crafter. Which was the only one to die (to 2 dreadmares). But I had already opened the book so big deal. I died more times during some of the other EM events then I count, now the same people who were with me during those events are crying, where before they were having a blast. Is it somehow worst dying to another player then dying to some other super spawn?

    I guess I find it hard to understand why people worry so much about dieing these days. Strange days, strange days indeed.

    Tom
     
  46. Dermott of LS

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    Not quite. The speaking of gankers was NOT directed specifically at any poster here but at the playstyle in general and at some of the defenses of said playstyle.

    The second statement as it applies to UO is directed at BOTH sides.

    Mainly they are examples of how I personally view the concept of greed in terms of UO. If you want another Tram-specific example... Kill-stealing or barging in on Reknowneds when you know the other person has them in hand, moster luring, or even monster "dumping" to break a spawn are all "greed".
     
  47. Cloak&Dagger

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    No, I was ok. I did not require an example. I already understand that you know the issue exsists in both facets. It was simply how your post read, and how people may interpret it. It did seem a bit one sided was all.
     
  48. kelmo

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    UO is a game. It is an open game where we as players are allowed to make choices. These choices have consequences. Why else would we play it?

    You can choose and decide what you do in game. No matter what the Devs come up with, it is still your choice. No one is required to take part in every little thing offered.

    If you choose to do so there may be consequences.

    *smiles*
     
  49. UOKaiser

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    Though that's adding morality into greed. If we go back in time charges the most morale aspects of the land offered notes to people for a price to get into heaven. Now heaven=good which looks like they were doing a great service for the people yet as this was motivative by greed the only people that knew this were the ones doing it. So in everyone else perspective they were giving but in there own perspective they were greedy.

    So lets assume I found the cure for death and offered everyone this cure of course even though this is a good deed it will pretty much make me the most powerful person on earth that ever lived. I will of course enjoy the fruits of my labor. Now am i greedy because I know the outcome of doing this and gave my self eternal life first or does me offering to others even though it will come at a price either monetery or by effect negate my greedyness.
    Basicaly nobody does anything for nothing. Nuns and Priest bealive they go to heaven a ultimate reward for helping the less fortunete. Wealthy people get tax incentives to keep more money by donating to causes. Non profit organizations get the non profit status allowing them to bypass taxes and the creaters of these non profit organizations do get paid very well as well as get incentives from the gov. Any donations people make allows to be claimed in taxes allowing for them to ofset most or more than the taxes owed.
    Guiving money to beggers allows someone to feel good which deep inside beleive they doing it to greedily better themselves.
    Sacraficing one self for another gives the reward of another to live.
    Suicide gives the reward of one self thinking they are releiving there pain so thinking of themself first.
    Pretty much I can go on. This is incorporated in UO. Anybody can say what is greed but in reality everyone is greedy and nobody knows they are. Now the rest of things like taking from someone is not greed it's more of theft,disrespect,not caring,or selfishnes which comes as close to greed as I think we can make as greed.
     
  50. Violence

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    What I want to ask -And it may or may not be relative to the OP in this particular case- is why MOST people accustomed to playing in Trammel refuse to learn how to fight properly and defend themselves. If I wanted to take it a bit further the question would also address their inability to demonstrate what they claim makes Trammel a "better" world; Community or in other words and under certain circumstances(this Event?), CO-OPERATION in fighting or defending people there to obstruct them.. :lol: I obviously am not referring to mass-spamming reports for griefing and such.. :p

    So, if anyone can offer a basic explanation on these, I'm all ears. For everything else I think Kelmo got it covered pretty much. rolleyes: