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Discussion in 'UO Siege Perilous' started by kelmo, Aug 14, 2010.
Yes or no. I will not make this poll public. Be honest.
Hugi made a good point... Only one character per account. I think we would be a perfect test for this. Beta test...
Nope, waste of time.
Sounds like a good idea
Hey! If we test it we might get a break? Just a test after all, and the cheaters can decide to change their ways.
like i said ingame, you would need to have serve consequences. I like the idea of having your character and all your soulstones erased. So if you get caught you would start back at 0. No bans, no other bull****, just erase your guy, than if you get caught 3 times make it where you can no longer log onto siege. Make this just for siege, and watch the population grow.
Get the word out folks... I would like to see a high turn out on this poll.
And I know folks than can check for alts...
I am all for this. I think Siege would be perfect. As Hugi mentioned there is just one character per account. Try it here...
And burn their house if they have one on Siege
As long as what this test would involve was clearly explained and did not involve being able to 'see' any information on my computer that is private and nothing to do with UO or games...yes.
What EA/Mythic says they can do, they are already doing. The detection process is alread in place according to them.
I'd support them testing it on SP. I would play more often to support their testing.
Ok I am having an airhead sorta day. By test what do ya mean exactly ?
In otherwords if EA UO wants to utilise Siege players to test their anti cheat code on our shard, as their guinnea pig, then ...Yes np.
If we have to some how figure out how to cheat in game, for em to have their test work. NO !
I suck at dishonesty and I really dislike all forms of dishonesty. Nor would I jepardise any of my accts. to be their/EA's 'guinnea pig cheater tester', 'if ' we have to do something unseemly, for said test, like cheat or try to learn to cheat for them/their tests, especially, for those of us, less informed on the how to's, of in game cheating crapola.
*goes off to find her brain, singing an oldies...by Billy Joel or whomever sung it
"Honesty, it's such a lonely word..." *
It is one of those days, so forgive me Kelmo, ifn I misunderstood ye intentions/ponderings or questions, regarding this poll. Thus I did NOT answer ye poll yet, need to know what YES really entails/entales um means exactly first, before I say any yes'es.
If you don't cheat what would be the purpose of testing? You need the cheaters to do the testing to see if it works.
Don´t worry QZ.
I´m also a little confused of what exactly this means. And I don´t think we´re alone...
Worst possible group to do the testing are the cheaters themselves. All they will do is look for loopholes in the code and then not report them, hoping they make it through the pass so they can continue cheating once the code is released.
Sometimes all you need is a true negative, meaning they know you don't cheat but hope thier program shows what they are expecting. On the other hand if there are any cheaters on the shard, they need to be dealt with.
Treat them like drug dealers, that is all their assets belong to the state. Delete their chars and let their house(s) go idoc. Would be a good em event, in my opinion. Put them next to Ricardo, lol.
I wouldn't mind it. But in all honesty it would be dumb on there part to test it on Siege because all of the major exploits, hacks, atc take place on prodo servers.
My only problem with the cheat code and that system is being banned for programs that do no harm and are accepted by the community, but still deemed illegal by EA/Mythic
like UOAM. Or resource or bod counters/trackers and so on.
Doing something like that cannot be undone... and it needs to be clear and flexible.
You won't be banned from using UOAM http://support.ea.com/cgi-bin/ea.cf...&p_accessibility=&p_page=&p_lva=306&nextlink=
Only these programs are permitted to be used with UO. If you don't see a program listed here, it is not approved for use with UO.
UOAssist: Website - Details
UO Auto-Map: Website - Details
UO Calculator: Website - Details
UO Curse Tool: Website - Details
UO Journal Converter: Website - Details
UO Magic Tool: Website - Details
UO Spawn Map: Website - Details
Test away!! I wanna know if I'm cheating too! I'f my house gets burned I'll just go back to Legends I vote Yes why not
I need an explanation of what's expected and entailed before I say either way.
EA in general have earned very little trust from me. Last thing I need is for them to root my machine and ban me for having a hex editor, or monitoring my processes.
Sure, they do need to be sure people really are cheating before they ban anyone.
They are already there. From Cal's announcement here, "Quickly: I spent a Sunday going through the 3rd party program detection report. I have identified more than a few accounts, and these will be handed off to CS to take action. The first step is a warning, the next I think we will have a little fun with.
It’s important that we do not do “mass bannings” for offenders. One, it’s not just, and also it’s more fun to make a public display of cheaters … at times.
ren notepad.exe EvilUOHack.exe
The point is that a UO Player made and used that 3rd party program way before it was approved by the devs...
What happens to the next UO Player who develops a cool program like UOAM? Oh that's right... they get banned for "cheating."
I hate agreeing with Draxous.
It makes me feel dirty, and I worry that deep down I may not hate his style as much as was previously believed.
DAMN THE UO DEVS FOR FORCING ME INTO THIS SITUATION!
I dont give a crap on way or other. Frankly because i have nothing to hide.
Altho i dont think siege is the ideal place to test this.
If you have nothing to hide, give me your username, password, ip address, and open some remote desktop ports.
Unless of course you just don't want creepy ****ers from the internet messing with your ****.
Because I'd like to phrase it as "hey, creepy ****ers, stay out of my ****" as opposed to "I've got nothing to hide".
*chuckles* It is happening tested or not. The poll was really just for discussion purposes... I don't know if any shard could be tested... I hope none of us turn pink or anything like that.
Test away, I have nothing to hide...
*thinks about all the fun he could have on a cheat free game*
Mook, are you suggesting that cheating has a significant impact on your day-to-day UO life? Not macroing destroying the economy, and other such stuff that's indistinguishable from human input. They'll never be able to squash that completely. I mean actual cheating?
I dont mean i would just agree to let them ramble through my entire computer, but i wouldnt mind them monitoring my running processes while logged in. I dont do much on my pc other than play uo.
This will be very hard to make work. Because without scanning your processes, how are they to find any illegal programs? The only thing I can see this catching is the zoom zoom players. Since they may have a way to check the amount of packets sent etc. But thats about it. Even if they scanned the processes running, a simple rename, or mod done by the program makers etc, and it would show up as something completely legit. So scanning by name wont work. I think the best thing would be to scan for fluid mouse movement. Since some proggies, do drag and drop stuff, much faster then a person with max mouse speed could do. Thats about it.
Any attempts to find out exactly what they are doing will trigger any decent anti-cheating protection.
Maybe they take a RAM dump while you're checking your bank balance with UO open in the background, or while you're whispering sweet nothings into omghotgirl92's MSN. Nothing they 'should' care about, but falls under my "stay out of my ****, creepy internet people" category. Once its in their control, maybe it's passed around the office, or thrown into a "funny **** we found while being creepy" folder.
Maybe you play a free shard and have certain programs on your machine but don't load them while you play regular shards, and it scans your drive for them anyway. Maybe you share a machine, or play in an internet cafe, and somebody else installed the programs that you're not using.
Maybe you just want to play a game, and you agreed to install a game, and you don't want anything except the game running and doing game-related things, because you spend all day hearing about abuses of power and buggy programming and all sorts of other **** that you really don't want to deal with when you just want to play a game.
Or maybe you have nothing to hide.
Why are any programs illegal? The first lesson of any client/server situation is that the client is out to screw you.
Don't trust anything the client tells you. You moved 50 tiles in 2 seconds? No. You moved 4. You grabbed the entire corpse full of items in .3 seconds? No, you didn't.
If the client says it's doing something, check if it should be able to. If the client is doing legal commands, fed to it by an illegal program, why is the program illegal? If it's doing illegal commands, block that.
I thought Origin was the official test shard? Why not test it there?
This all started because of an idea I had. My idea was since I read people crying for some sorta anti cheat, ban for cheaters, scriptors, and rampant speed hacking. Why not make siege the dedicated anti cheat server. Because Cal had said he/she were going to look at how the changes to rot effect the server before doing more. I thought that is bs, why not make a big change to draw people here. Do something that no other server has and will give people who have been beggin for a hard line on cheaters a place to go where cheaters are banished from. My thoughts were to impliment some sorta anti cheat, or monitor the server for cheaters. Than when one is found give them a hard penalty, like erase their character and skills off of soulstones, than if you get caught a 2nd or 3rd time ban them from the server. Make it where siege doesnt come up on the server list for the cheats. This would only really work with siege because of the 1 character per account, and the fact everyone knows each other. So people would be policing themselves after awhile. It would be interesting to see what would happen if they did something like this.
**** that. I wonder if I'd get banned having steam and/or steam mods open...
This gets my vote 100%
To give the devil his due... This was hugi's idea. It came up in chat.
EA is already monitering the add ons we use. If it interacts with UO, they know. I just hope you are all using approved programs...
I didnt see UO Cartographer on the list Whats Her Face put up. But ive read in many stratics posts it is approved by EA.
I didn't know the story behind all this so my comment was just a general one. It is a good idea and maybe a win win for the us and the devs if it works out. Devs get to test their code and it may be something that will help get people to try out Siege.
I have nothing to hide on my PC.
but I do have UO on a ZIP-drive
that I take to work, and play UO off the Zip-drive when it is slow.
And the work computer has CCD info.
So until I am sure their not scanning HD.
I guess I will not be playing game when I am working
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That is why I voted yes and believe siege is the best place to test it.
I still think they should listen to the concerns we have regarding it..
EA does have horrible programmers.
The game crashes all the time, and for how old it is, why does it take so much tweaking on even a great computer to run well? There's no reason I should have to run a low resolution @ 16-bit color with today's hardware. This game should run perfectly with an ATI Rage 8mb agp4x card and a P3.
Speedhacks and client mods are all an attempt to get your character to run at max allowed speed all the time. Ever run around luna on atlantic? Why does that lag happen on a quad-core machine with a 10mbps down connection?
I can run around just fine in the busiest city in WoW without any of the above-mentioned problems.
Fact of the matter is, EA sucks, and they are the reason this game has so many problems.
I definitely would prefer if EA would just re-write the client correctly instead of attempting to put in some lame punkbuster-type program that scans client files for modifications, or a RAM dump that reveals computing habits.
The easy way out would be to disable the 2D client or add in "anti-cheat" mechanisms which do nothing but make the client perform like it should. EA knows that Origin's 2D client which they piled a bunch of **** onto is their money maker, though.
BTW, enhanced client makes people seem like they're speed hacking too, since it runs correctly.