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Mystics

Discussion in 'UHall' started by garillo, Feb 22, 2012.

  1. garillo

    garillo Journeyman

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    So they can go rockform+prot making it impossible to bleed, poison etc. Okay.
    So they have a healing stone as a get out of fail free card. Okay
    So they can put a precast spell on trigger for safe keeping. Okay
    So they have a hard counter spell to any curse/poison/etc. Sure why not
    They can pre-cast and hold a collosus when all of their pet slots are already filled.... Why? Mages cant do anything of the sort.
    They're already as strong as they get. They need changes. Stacking mystics makes it almost impossible to push grinders, and theyre cakemode a mage class. Lets not try to make characters that are more successful with the less buttons they use, mkay? It's a sad day when anyone can pick up a mystic template and defeat the whole "mages are hardest to play". The worst part of all of it? Mystics think they're good.
     
  2. Orgional Farimir

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    Sounds like someone just fought a DC grinder on GL.
     
  3. LordDrago

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    Who just got smacked around by a Mystic.
     

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  4. garillo

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    I said mystics, not guardzones.
     
  5. CovenantX

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    Mystic's aren't really overpowered. it's when DP is combined with it... lol as DP overpowers almost every template...

    Stone Form is somewhat OP when combined with Protection + cleanse winds spam.. but its defensive. solution - mana drain/vamp, mana drain weps.. or purge if your a mystic.

    Heal Stones are not that much different from a heal pot, except for the chance it has to cure poison.

    Spell Trigger - bombard, is fine imo, except the chance it has to stun a target. it's more just bombard Imo, it shouldn't have a chance to stun anyone that has resist equal or greater than the casters focus/imbuing. (chances are low, but its annoying)

    Hailstorm I think hailstorms damage needs to be split between targets hit like every other "target" AoE, OR every AoE should not divide damage based on how many targets hit...

    DP = skill-less pvp, throwing = even less skill pvp.

    After the whole Magic-Arrow Nether-Bolt spam was fixed, along with Spellplague. Mystic's are pretty well balanced with the exception of hailstorms damage vs other AoEs Imo...
     
  6. garillo

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    Also forgot to mention they can cast animate weapon and hailstorm through walls. Shouldn't this be an all or nothing type deal seeing as this mechanic was removed from magery?
     
  7. Tjalle

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    And spellweaving...
     
  8. garillo

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    And what about being able to precast and hold a collossus while another is up and all pet slots are full?
     
  9. Arrgh

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    :sleep2:
     
  10. Uriah Heep

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    I tend to agree in part with the OP. I posted a bit ago about the area spell inequities and got ran outta here LOL.
    But run in a crowd, and cast wither...watch em fall over dead.
    Run in the same kinda crowd, with chain lightning, meteor swarm, or earthquake...and by the time the damage split is done, you will cast it over and over and over and still not have done what a wither does.
    Not asking for a nerf to mystics, nor a nerf to necros.
    Just asking that the long honored and hard working mage get a little loving. I would rather they had tuned us (mages) up a bit, changed some of those useless spells we have into something similar to either SW of Mystic, instead of creating a whole new class. *shrugs*

    But life goes on...
     
  11. Lynk

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    I don't really think that mystic is overpowered anymore.

    I do, however, love Uriah's idea of making EQ/Meteor Swarm/Chain Lightning do more damage and not reduce with quantities of targets!

    that would be the bomb!
     
  12. Mervyn

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    I get confused

    What is OP now? First it's bestial suit DPers, then it's necros, now it's back to mystics.

    If everything is OP, doesn't that make everything balanced?
     
  13. Lorddog

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    They can pre-cast and hold a collosus when all of their pet slots are already filled.... Why? Mages cant do anything of the sort.

    not sure what this means.
    it is a targeted summons. if you compare to mage then compare to bladed spirit or ev.
     
  14. Omnius

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    I have a hard time understanding how anyone thinks any kind of caster is over powered when any even a new player can get on a dexer and kill just about anyone 1v1 with no issue. It's become silly how much damage can be put out on dexers without sacrificing survivability at all.
     
  15. garillo

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    Sure. Here is the comparison. An EV takes 2 pet slots. And horse takes 1. This combo when all up (2 EVs+mage on horse) = 5 pet slots. At this point, you cannt precast and hold another EV because "you have too many followers" However, a mystic, with a collosus (5 pet slots up) can have a collossus already up while they precast and hold another so it can instantly be replaced after being removed.
    If you do not see what I am pointing out in my original post, please re-read it and compare it to the mechanics changes that have been made over the years. I am not "trolling" on this. These are unbiased views coming from someone who has worked in beta testing and editing since 1998. Anyone who wants to "zzzz" or "this doesnt make sense", either has little experience with balance, plays a mystic, or has misread/misapplied what I am trying to point out.

    Before you post a reply, try thinking of a balance issue that is REAL and not opinionated (supported by numbers/changes due to unfair mechanics, etc) so that you have a little more insight and can get into what I would consider the "correct" mindset on the balance issues ex. "hey throwers get a +5 hci bonus and can also achieve the same ssi and base dmg from weapons that are 1 handed compared to their 2h archer counterparts" - I would like real feedback from critical thinkers and people drawing conclusions from deductive reasoning.
     
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    Soo what if they can precast and sith there with another rising colases?

    Whiel they sith there with that colassas on their coursor they CANNOT cast any other spells just start attacking them and dont worry about a pathetic colasses?

    :stretcher:
     
  17. garillo

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    Re: Soo what if they can precast and sith there with another rising colases?

    Pretty sure that arrow you just let fly hit an innocent. It's cool tho, the target is safe.
     
  18. we should all just get naked and fight that way
     
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  19. kelmo

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    *blinks*
     
  20. Doesnt everyone pvp in UO while naked irl? I know i do.
     
  21. garillo

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    I wish this was still viable.
     
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    Can you cast RC whilst sitting on a horse? Trying to work out which character will pick up mysticism.
     
  23. Lien Ragus

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    I rarely participate to such debates but now it s enough...
    As mainly a pvm'er i have several times to suffer for "pvp'ers" whinning... Fun chars to play in pvm have been nerfed again and over again for the only reason that those "pvp'ers" find them overpowered !!!

    Stop it now... just adapt or make yourself a mystic for pvp but for god's sake, SHUT your mouth !!!!

    You unfortunately represent a sinking part of the gamers who are playing UO. Why that should allow you to nerf the larger population just because you cant make "easy" kills anymore ???

    Please leave us , pvm'rs a bit of fun as well.
    Stop complaining and make your brain active (if u ever can of course) !
     
  24. garillo

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    No you cant. But why would I worry about that when I am more of referencing the fact that this can be done from stone form (which requires no mount speed) in grinders making them almost impossible to push if u stack mystics. Also, point out the fact that one race has the advantage of being able to move mount speed with a RC up doesn't help contest the point.

    I am not pointing at a SINGLE quality of the character as being overpowered, I am pointing at the ability to use them ALL on a single toon.
     
  25. garillo

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    I'm sorry you are unable to function at a non-dumbed down level. Am I ruining your ability to stand still and just hit one button to win in pvm? I both pvm and pvp a mystic. I'm afraid after what you have stated, it is YOU that is part of the sinking gamers who play UO. Like I stated in a previous post above, THINK about what is wrong with it before making a contribution to this thread. I do not need personal attacks for stating my views that are based on mechanical changes the game has made to conform and move forward THAT NEED BALANCING. I did not ask for a huge nerf, I am simply stating FACTS. Now go stand still and afk collosus Navrey.
     
  26. hen

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    I couldn't really care about you mate, I was wanting to know for my benefit. Thanks.
     
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  28. garillo

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    Not here seeking anyones approval or trying to make friends. If you're trying to plan out a character, gargoyles can still fly and move at mount speed with a RC up.
    As for the "l2pvp", I am intrigued at the new and original thread response. I bet you make lots of money irl with your uncanny gift for quips. I am glad they have added Troll Slayers since my return.
     
  29. Cetric

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    my biggest issue with mystics is the heal all spell, cleansing winds. Just took crosshealing to dumb mode. Outside of that... ehh who cares. So much is jacked up, id rather see the bestial suit redone then mysticism.
     
  30. garillo

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    If it came to one or the other, I agree. Beastial suits would be in priority.