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Names: Jeremy please notice!

Discussion in 'UO Spiels N Rants' started by Beerman72, Jun 12, 2008.

  1. Beerman72

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    Poo Pie
    Peon
    Poo
    Balls of Steel
    Ballsack

    Those are all in violation on Atlantic and have all recieved multiple reports with no action from atl players (many many players have sent pages...none were answered). Seems some names are recieving unfair treatment while players such as Poo and the Sexual Chocolate go punished. One ruleset for all no?

    or perhaps certain guilds on Atl recieve preferential treatment?


    Thanks.
     
  2. RichardOCE

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    Im having an awesomely crap day at work, and whilst these did illicit a chuckle (Poo is a funny word) I agree with you re naming policies. The fact theres no real filter is something EA could work on.
     
  3. Beerman72

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    Thanks richard...it seems that there are two sets of rules for players depending on which side of the tracks you reside. I guess Poo and Chocolate got the big brown shaft.
     
  4. stumpy

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    While the naming convention problem is bad, there also has to be a limit on where you draw the line and consider offence.

    I personally wouldn't find those character names offensive, especially Peon and Poo. Poo was/is (not sure) a well known player on one of the shards who had the name for a long period of time until someone with your attitude finally reported it and got it changed.
    There was a big stink kicked up about the name Poo actually (Pardon the pun).
     
  5. Beerman72

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    Aye, a stink properly raised due to him getting a mark on his account. My point to this is simply that the line was crossed, and one person has already lost thier account due to naming issues which fell into the above category. When presented to EA their marks remained. (Jeremy was contacted...issue wasnt resolved...player lost account due to another strike.)

    My problem is simply whats good for the goose is good for the gander. By drawing the line you are inferring that discrimination is OK. Thats my only issue in this. Good players have taken a hike because of this current doublestandard. Not purposefully, but because what was ok 10 years ago will get you banned today.
     
  6. Flutter

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    I think Poo fought like hell because they did change his name and then he got a ruling in his favor and got his name back. I think they decided Poo was okay.
    I am not sure about the rest of them.... I mean "Ballsack"? lol cmon...
     
  7. stumpy

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    How may I ask are any of those names in any way discriminatory? They are offensive to some, but in no way discriminatory.
     
  8. Quenchant

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    Perhaps after this is resolved to Beerman 72's satisfaction his next crusade will be to help all the indigent fleas that lost thier homes due to flea collars. We all need someone to tell us what is fair, just and how to enforce things.
     
  9. Beerman72

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    A naming policy should not leave any grey area, and should be concrete. To violate one without violating the other IS discriminatory...as it shows two variations to the same rule. (IE: if one poo goes...all poo must go. if not its discrimination...simple)
     
  10. Beerman72

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    hmm...interesting. My roomate was the one who reicieved marks for Hu Flung Pu and Sexual Choclate. Seems there really is a doublestandard. (He fought like hell, went through Jeremy, and even EA...no change...marks remained)
     
  11. Beerman72

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    I am talking about fairness and proper use of the ruleset. It appears you like to break the same set of rules you moderate by making comments of such a personal nature! Good job on only helping clarify the type of doublestandard that is in existence!

    Crusade eh? Seems its ok to burn a scripter at the stake and post pictures of *supposed* scripter operations, yet if I speak my mind on the obivous doublestandard being executed by in game GMs its a crusade? OOOOOoooo...got me there!

    One ruleset for all, is that so hard and too much to ask for? After all, we ALL pay the same fee per account...we ALL play the same game.
     
  12. Faustis

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    Sure get back on the ban horse, but first ban your name, I find the term beer used in a game board extremely offensive and insensitive... makes me sick just seeing it...:gun:
     
  13. Beerman72

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    it makes me sick too...hence the reason behind choosing it. what doesnt kill us only makes us stronger...

    this isnt about banning btw...its about fair moderation of the ruleset in game. my solution is make the game adult only again, and remove all name violations from the game. (clean slate like they did with the morderers joining factions)
     
  14. Redxpanda

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    I nominate this for the thread of the day:popcorn:
     
  15. Desolation87

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    The name beerman offends me. Ban it!


    I hate not being able to call my chars klassic (my 360gamertag btw ;) ) because it has ass in it.
     
  16. Beerman72

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    :gee: glad someone sees it for what it is....a thread.
     
  17. Beerman72

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    My point is the doublestandard existing today...besides I only took a look at who was in front of me while @ yew gate....going to UO.com would open up an even larger can of worms) Yes, peon is indeed a degrading name, referring to one lesser than... again also defamatory...and discriminant.

    Most defintely more offensive than sexual chocolate. (first thing I think of when i see that name is valentines day candy..def nothing offensive.)
     
  18. Piotr

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  19. Cysphruo

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    the only name that is obviously wrong is ballsack, poo is also possible but it could have a different meaning then your thinking, like stinker.

    how about you get over it and player the game instead of paging on other players non stop... people like that are whats wrong with uo.
     
  20. Cysphruo

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    if someones name is peon then how is that wrong? their saying they are a lesser then other people, am i missing something here??? i think your saying these names are offensive for reasons other then the actual name and perhaps the person behind the name.
     
  21. o2bavr6

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    I'm sure there is a double standard, after all there is in real life, why not in virtual life.

    As for inappropriate names: what about the people who have played this game since day one, when it was rated M for mature.

    Back then we could name a character anything we wanted. Should a 10 year old character have to change his name for the new rules, or should they be grandfathered in?

    Because of the new rules, I had to rename my Tailor/Smith, his name was "Asian Children". I know this name could be offensive to some but it's not to me. Yet as also posted here, we talk about double standards. In life we don't want to know about the abuse some countries place on their people, we just want their products and ignore the rest like it doesn't exist. We basically complain about child labor as we walk down the street in our Nike's.
     
  22. Saris

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    lol yesterday found someone named SofaKing Cool and got a chuckle but come on if they alow that why my friend in game had to change Left Nut.

    ps peon and poo, your mind has to be in the gutter to get offened by that, first I know real life ppl who go by Poo and I am sure its in referace to Poo Bear and Peon? Did I miss something, when they make a term used to refer as a peasant a bad word? at ; least in this era when peasants no longer exist. I mean wtf?
     
  23. chad

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    Sounds like beerman is crying about getting owned on atl. so he wants people to get banned for slight humor in their names. BBB mhm.
     
  24. Poo

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    i never got my name back.

    it was deemed offensive after 9 years and stripped from all my guys.
    EA was nice enough to go through and change all the names for me for free, so that saved me having to delete them all.

    the whole thing kinda ticked me off.
    but not as much as when i run into other people with the name Poo or worse running around all over.

    i dont find it offensive.
    i am just angered that i got zeroed in on while lot and lots of other people never did.

    i agree, why single out one person and dork them yet leave all the others?

    who knows.

    and just for the record, this is a what.... mature rated game?
    PG 13 or something?

    go read a book that a 13 year old is reading.
    you wont see ANY bad stuff in there im sure!
    rolleyes:
     
  25. TheScoundrelRico

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    To the OP. Is your life that boring that you would try to make this an issue? Did these name offend you? If so, I'd say you probably need to work on thickening your skin before you log back in...la
     
  26. Saris

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    They way I see it if you **** anyone off in game they page on you for whatever they think they can get you on.
     
  27. Orvago

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    The R and N words are not allowed here either, in any form or fashion. We just don't ban people unless they apparently use them as a personal attack or some other RoC Violation.

    Posts with those words are being removed.
     
  28. Azazel of LA

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    I dont believe with all the problems in UO that your making a big stink over dumb f***ing names. Is this why when all of us with legit problems try to get help we cant? If your offended by Poo then dont turn on the Disney Channel because last time I checked most 2 years olds love that lil guy. I am so dumbfounded I dont even know what to say ...... :cursing:
     
  29. o2bavr6

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    EA thrives on these posts because it takes the light off of their inability to fix bugs or other important issues in a reasonable time.

    They should have never changed the M rating for this game, but because they did, we have to deal with posts like this.

    What is more important:
    Fixing scripters or foul names?
    PvP balance or foul names?
    PvM balance or foul names?
    _(fill in blank)_or foul names?
     
  30. Strawberry

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    I'd like to know why I can't use the word "chef" in a guild title. My character had that title for years but lost it when she changed guilds. How is chef offensive?
     
  31. HillBilly

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    Uo is a teen game. They want unique/borderline offensive names.

    Curse words I can understand.....but Poo? WTF is wrong with that.

    This name filter is getting rediculas. Its a free country. Peoples names dont hurt anyone else in the game. Stop whining. Play, have fun, ignore those you dont like.
     
  32. Malforce

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    There is obviously nothing wrong with Poo, Peon (ban warcraft, wtf?!) or SofaKing Cool. heh, I like that one. maybe he plays from his couch...I bet he is cool. I do find Beerman to be far more offensive than any of those. Also more out of place in the fantasy setting of UO. Ballsack should be reported on, and something should be done immediately once that report is received. The filter should be removed entirely. I don't feel that there is anything wrong with Klassic because it has @$$ in it.
     

  33. You're seriously crying to The Head of The Development Team, over some names that aren't offensive?

    Do you think he has time to even care about a post like this? I'll tell you exactly what he will do next time he sees a post by you after reading this.

    *Jeremy scans stratics and sees beerman72 post* *Jeremy Ignores thread compeltely based on previous experiences with Beermans worthless posts*


    GTFO.

    People like you are what is wrong with this game in the first place. (amongst other things)
     
  34. StaggerLeigh

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    I say if they can have "taint" as an actual item in-game, then any name in this thread should be allowed!
     
  35. i made a name boo boo kitty fk
    i had it for 2 weeks.. one day i was pulled in jailed and asked to rename my name ...a player complained over it..so he renamed my char rosa. wtf.
    To many griefers that have no time but to page like true noobs.That name wasn't offensive and was from the movie jay and silent bob strikes back.
     
  36. Faith

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    Pathetic...
     
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  38. Infiniti

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    I find some of those names offensive. Crystilastamous, it's people like you who make the game sad. I was going to name my parrots after the virtues but found I could not name one Compassion...I find that a bit silly as it is a virtue name.
     
  39. packrat

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    Some people have way too much time on their hands. If that's all they have to complain about or sit and wait for a GM response they need to get some happy pills.
     
  40. galefan2004

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    OMG...

    Atl guild has a gm in it.

    Why do these names bother you so much? Does it really affect you that someone decided to name their character ballsack? The answer is no. Before you respond with...what about the children...the children have heard worse come out of their class mates mouths in kindergarten, or hell in this day and age they probably heard worse come out of their parents mouth as babies. It will be funny when we start hearing stories about how a babies first ward becomes caca.
     
  41. galefan2004

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    Is this seriously something new? I mean, during the early days of the Vanguards when they were getting stuck in the ground I paged to get them released. If I was paging in Trammel, they were normally quickly released. If I was paging in Felucca, all I got was crap responses and the Vanguards stayed in the grounds. Chances are your friend was red so the GMs reacted more strongly towards him than they do blues. Its a double standard, but it exists for a reason. Most people automatically assume reds got to be red by killing innocent miners or something, and the developers seem to think so as well.
     
  42. galefan2004

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    Yes. I can totally see how marketing this game doesn't beat out being able to name your characters anything you want. They took the M rating off so that they could sell the game at major retail outlets that weren't selling any M rated games. Games with M ratings are normally only sold in actual gaming stores, and I don't think they wanted to deal with limiting their market.
     
  43. miss_samara

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    *wail* Won't someone please think of the children?!?!?

    I really wish they'd change the rating back to M. The majority of players I meet are well over 18. And last I checked, I could never find a copy to buy in actual stores, anyway. One of the big reasons I prefer this game over others is that there are less children playing.
     
  44. Bazer

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    Well that depends on which shard you play, from the way several people at on GL and from what i heard, there are tons of people out there under 18. Wich changing it to rated M would personally make me happy.
     
  45. Kiminality

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    Age != Maturity
     
  46. soulshiver

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    As far as I can tell UO wasn't built to handle such things automatically .. meaning while most modern MMOs can easily handle anything that doesn't exactly cater to their terms/agreements UO would need more effort to have that part built/included. It's completely understandable why those names may go unpunished, this is definitely the only game I would never, and I mean never let my kids even look at never mind play. Let's face it, while UO is a game and can be quite childish at times I really don't think that any child should come into contact with it ever. With that being said, a character running around with Poo as their name won't have a dire impact on a child as what most people in this game say or talk about, that's the real issue you need to concern yourself with. If you left a child alone with this game, I would call you a bad parent but in any event trust me, the last thing you should be concerned about is what the character is named, more on to what the character is saying.
     
  47. Jirel of Joiry

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    Beerman72, those names ain't nothin. Stupid? Yes! Childish and immature? Oh yeah. Looks to me like a 14 year old boy created those.

    I had to go around Hell's half acre to actually get something done about a name that was REALLY offensive. I won't post it, don't run a foul of Stratics' ROC. BUT I will give you some clues: three words, it was a phrase discribing an action, and I don't think they were refering to a lollipop!

    IMHO that name is 20x worse than what you listed.

    Before you page on a name ask yourself some questions to determine how offensive it really is.

    1) Was your inital "gut" reaction "Gross!" or disgusting or something like that?

    2) would it be considered racist, discrimintory etc in normal conversation?

    3) Would you be embarassed to repeat it in public, I.E. at work?

    4) Is it sexually graphic????

    If you can awnser yes to ALL of those then page on their smelly hides.

    Otherwise don't.

    Some names are reflection of the complete stupidity of the person behind the keyboard!

    I've seen some names that could be consider offensive by some I suppose, but as for me I just found them stupid.

    Two come to mind from Legends about ummmm 3-4 years ago. Some *COUGH* genius name their chars Tampax and Kotex. Okay as a woman those don't particularly offend me BUT do I need a daily friggin reminder
    of my "monthly"....I THINK NOT! Did me and my friends (who are also women in RL) page? Hell no! We had fun with them! To Tampax, "So which are you lite,regular, Super, or Super Plus?" To Kotex: "Are you the pad with wings or the extra absorbent layer? Are you the ultra thins or the overnight?"

    Trust me three days of me and my girlfriends nonsense, the dude got himself some name change tokens! Okay, okay so that COULD be considered harassment, BUT if you name your chars Kotex and Tampax you're almost begging for it!

    As far as it goes there is no rule enforcement anymore in UO. There are no GMs just GM Bot 3000. As for the Dev Team...pffft IMHO I think UO is just a paycheck.
     
  48. D'Amavir

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    I agree. Once you let one slide while punishing another you are opening the door to more and more to slide because of who they know or who they are.

    Also, UO needs an rp server. One where all names must be rp type names (no PiMpStIcK the PlAyA or Britney Spears) and dev support player towns and rp functions. Never happen but it would rock if it did.
     
  49. Lynk

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    Rules should be enforeced evenly. I got a 72 hour ban because of one of my character's names. Poopsmith.
     
  50. Kiminality

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    what was going through your mind, when you made the concious decision to name your character that?