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Necromages: Human or Elf?

Discussion in 'UO Spellcaster' started by Arcades, Mar 30, 2009.

  1. Arcades

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    Assuming 6x 120 Necromage.

    Any benefits in going either? Only add I can see is JoAT can use low level spell weaving spells.
     
  2. Lynk

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    The answer to what race should I be is always "human", unless you're building a Sampire.
     
  3. Chaosy

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    JoAT is more useful than the 20 extra mana. Plus humans look better.
     
  4. slayer888

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    Actually, greatly depends on your suit.


    Since you say 120 x 6 for necro mage, I would assume:-

    120 magery
    120 resist
    120 evalint
    120 necro
    120 spirit speak
    120 med

    1. You suit should contain the following:-

    25 dci glass
    pendant of magi (10lmc, 30 lrc)
    rune beetle (15 lmc)
    orna (10lmc, 20lrc)
    crystal ring (20 magery, 20 focus, fcr 3)
    then some sleeves, legs, gloves with lrc to max lrc and lmc.

    Anyways, for talisman, go for +5 necro, +10 ss

    So there you have free 15 skill points.

    What to do with 15 skill points then??

    1 point in tracking
    1 point in detect

    Cuz if you dont have 1 point in those, it will be treated as 0 and therefore will not work at all.

    Elf should have invisible 20 or 40 tracking or detect (this i really do not know) but you must have 1 point in it for it to work as 20 or 40.

    13 points = go in spellweaving


    hope you get it so far now..

    Then let me tell you why you need to be an elf:-

    1. you get extra 20 mana
    2. you get night sight
    3. you dont have any lose of what a human bear

    a.) human got natural 2 stamina regeneration and 3 mana regeneration due to the JOAT

    b.) now since that your template is 120 med, so human already does not help you on this part.

    c.) you would ask if i run on mount, i keep losing stamina! cuz I dont have the 20 focus. Never fear, cuz remember the crystal ring you wear? There is 20 free focus skill for you.


    4. you cannot use any special move, therefore, you are not penalty by the 300 skill points lowest special move mana cost



    Anyways, if you have lots of barbed kits, or even valorite hammers, I am quite sure you could make up some good lrc, lmc and mage weapons with dci.


    Good luck! Hope it helps you!

    Of course, my template is not 120 x 6... hehehe

    But I am elf on both (2) necro mages with mage weapons.
     
  5. Chaosy

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    Most necro mages I know are human and use the totem of the void talisman.

    For non 6x120 chars that only have 105 necro, I recommend putting the 15 points into focus so you have 35 with the crystalline ring.

    You also have 20 hiding, tracking and spellweaving. With JAoT, you also have 20 detect hidden too. As far as night sight, you have a night sight spell, not to mention folded steel glasses have night sight on them.

    13 spellweaving is not going to be good enough to cast buffs, and you cannot circle with people that have 40 spellweaving (I know some templates that are focused on this and they circle with human JAoT).

    Therefore, being a human is way more beneficial for the skills than having the extra 20 mana.
     
  6. slayer888

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    Most necro mages I know are human and use the totem of the void talisman.

    -possible, but some also uses 5 necro and 10 ss talisman

    For non 6x120 chars that only have 105 necro, I recommend putting the 15 points into focus so you have 35 with the crystalline ring.

    -35 focus are = 30, so again its pointless. 3 stamina regeneration and 1.5 mana regeneration = 0.3 stamina per sec. and 0.15 mana per sec.

    You also have 20 hiding, tracking and spellweaving. With JAoT, you also have 20 detect hidden too. As far as night sight, you have a night sight spell, not to mention folded steel glasses have night sight on them.

    -night sight is correct if you are human wearing 25 dci glass
    -detect hidden is incorrect as you are still "0" even the invisible skill is 20, you are unable to detect any stealther with your invisible 20 which is totally unlike elf... elf is more easy to detect people with low skill points
    -tracking only need "1" point for elf and comes more effective than human "invisible 20"

    13 spellweaving is not going to be good enough to cast buffs, and you cannot circle with people that have 40 spellweaving (I know some templates that are focused on this and they circle with human JAoT).

    -there are many people out there with 0 spellweaving that you could do focus lvl 5 or lvl 6 with. This is not a concern at all.
    -for spellweaving 13, main spell you are casting would be gift of rewewal and attunement before charging into enemies line of sight.. 13 is totally enough. There is nothing else could cast more efficient for having "invisible 20" or "13"

    Therefore, being a human is way more beneficial for the skills than having the extra 20 mana.

    -No, 20 mana could help you cast a lvl 7 spell thus is much more efficient than wasting it being a human since there is no special move penalty.... no mr and stamina regeneration penalty... which in case elf is more efficient than human in this case.
     
  7. Lynk

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    Do you not know how to use the quote feature?

    And FYI - 1 skill point is not more effective than 20 skill points.. Human JoAT = 20 skill points.
     
  8. slayer888

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    Just know how to use few hours ago hehe.

    Actually elf have the ability to detect and track other players more efficiently.

    This is not yet confirmed but as far as compared.

    Human "0" (20 invisible) detect = worse than elf 1 detect hidden

    You could get a stealther and test it out.

    If you walk beside elf = get detected

    If you walk beside human = wont get detected


    For tracking, if elf is 0 tracking = fail tracking
    but if elf is 1 tracking = can success tracking

    Based on my testing, elf 1 tracking seems to be more effective than human "0" invisible 20 tracking

    So this is the conclusion i got based on my experiments.
     
  9. Lynk

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    How many times are we going to do this dance?

    It's not confirmed because it's not ****ing accurate.



    Incorrect. Elves have passive detect. If you stealth close to one you will get revealed. This is not to be confused with the detect hidden skill, because if the stealther doesn't move you won't reveal them as an elf unless you do an area effect spell.

    Elves don't have a "Tracking bonus", as a racial ability they are more difficult to track than humans, but they don't track others any better. And no, 1 skill point for an elf in tracking is not greater than 20 on a human.

    I came to my conclusion based on facts.
     
  10. RichDC

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    Listen to Lynk,

    Elves have 40(Skill) passive detect(on prodo shards that is 0 on siege).

    Humans have 20Skill, If you had a stealther stand still in front of an elf and a human both 0 skill and tried to detect...the human will do it...the elf will fail!

    Elves as wraiths(form) are more difficult to track but thats it(and its not a huge difference human/elf)
     
  11. slayer888

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    Yes, actually I am talking about passive detect hidden and not using the skill to detect hidden some stealthers standing still.

    What is the point to use the skill when it is showing "0" ??

    passive detect hidden = elf is much more effective than human as the human 0 skill cant help at all <-- this is the message I would like to bring.

    For the tracking part, I am not 100% sure whether 1 skill point is better than the human "0" skill point. But that is just based on my experiments that the 1 skill point seems to work very good.

    The point of this thread is to compare having the template of:-

    120 magery
    120 evalint
    120 med
    120 necro
    120 resist
    120 ss

    for elf or human or better

    So i have listed out if using the +5 necro and +10 ss talisman, elf is 100% better than human in any situation except the less 6 to 7 points of spellweaving.

    Cuz human have 20 spellweaving, elf have only 14 if using "1" for tracking point.

    Yet, under no stamina regeneration and mana regeneration disadvantage.

    the extra 20 mana > than human. which is my conclusion.

    Hope that clears everything up.