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Need script looter intervention from GM or Mesanna right now on Napa.

Discussion in 'UHall' started by Spellbound, Jan 20, 2013.

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  1. Spellbound

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    Idoc 20 minutes ago, but desirable items still flying thru the air. Paged 15 minutes ago and no response. Here's your chance to prove you want to clean up this game of cheaters.
     
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    If its already fallen what do you want them to do???
     
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    The script is still running, suspected looter is still here, and items still looping thru the air.
    I expect them to catch and ban the cheater.
     
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    all you are seeing is a ghost image the items are already gone. log out and bak in see if they are still there?
     
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    did oyu page in game?
     
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    Paged over 50 minutes ago in game, items still looping through the air non stop, and no GM response.
     
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    Are they re-arranging their backpacks or are they picking up items from the ground?
    If it´s the latter, can´t others take the stuff from the ground too?

    Not sure if I understand what is happen there...
     
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    Guessing the script can't complete, perhaps they are overweight, and the item keeps bouncing between them and the ground or another scripter? GMs showed, but one of the items is still soaring from ground to upper left over and over.. The 6th year brazier reward stopped popping.
     
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    Good to hear the GM showed finally... probably only way to get the brazier if you cannot stand directly under it and pull it down would be to place a house, if possible.

    Off topic, but curiosity got the best of me.. haven't been on Napa in a long time.. had a quick run around trammel...

    wow.. if anyone is looking for some decent places to stick a keep.. I found 3 spots, such a shame to see the population that low.
     
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    Time for a little venting!!

    It was actually exciting to see so many people at this idoc, anticipating what items they may get as so many things were visible laying on the ground. Nice rubble bench, million dollar checks piled high, old deeds and sooo much more. The moment the walls came down, pretty much everything on the floor was instantly gone. you could see things flying through the air repeatedly and you knew, you had been scripted!! :mad:

    I have to say, at this moment, I am pissed off. Greed is a horrible thing and for some, they make billions!! but you are cheating your fellow guild mates, alliance members, friends and all those who are equally entitled to reap the rewards of an idoc... Who are you, "the scripter" to feel you are entitled to take everything you possibly can through the means of cheating, when others have stood around for hours. They too are just as deserving as you seem to think you are!!. It equally burns my ass at those, who attempt to protect the people they know are scripting as this action shows others you agree with what is being done, so you are no better!

    I do not know if anything can ever be done about this type of thing but I for one really hope this is investigated and something is done, rather than a slap on the wrist, keep the items but get a 72hr suspension!! :cursing:
     
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    Seeing GMs in game was a good sign that they do want to get a handle on this kind of cheating. Took a good while before the suspected scripters disappeared from the area and last item vanished. If Mesanna and the GMS can show script looting will be addressed either by bannings or suspensions, it will be a deterrent to those on the fence and leaning to the dark side. I have faith in the goodness of most players. Thank you GMs J* and S* for responding.
     
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    Your mad because you did not get all the loots? Just because things got looted doesn't mean it was "scripted". I know some expert idocers that loot better than the rest of them so if you think someone is scripting page a gm otherwise make a poll on stratics and hand out tissues.
     
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    Mesanna and the GMs might have a better chance of catching these cheaters. If us players let them know ahead of time about these houses that condemn with real rare items or any house that we know the cheaters will be there to use their loot scripts. Send Mesanna a private message or email uosupport. Let them know what shard, facet, location, and the condition of the house. with them knowing ahead of time they might be able to set something up to catch them in the acted. We all know the cheaters are going to script its about time as players to say enough is enough.
     
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    This reminds me of when Doom became available. Scripters would loot a fallen dark father so fast and run to the next room that the loot would follow behind them like a train.
     
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    Like I said "venting" and I knew it was just a matter of time before someone posted, with the "assumption" one is mad because they did not get the loot!. The point is simple. "cheaters will cheat as long as they can get away with it and something needs to be done about it, rather than make excuses for it and there is no mistake here, it was scripted and a big thanks to the GM's who showed up!!
     
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    You do know as long as the person is sitting at their keyboard and watching their screen the chances of being caught using a script are slim to none? As long as the person gives a response to a GM when questioned there is nothing the GM's can do. Sadly this is everyone's fault. UO attempted to use programs such as punk-buster. Overwhelmingly the player base said no, in turn welcoming cheating with open arms. It is 100% impossible to detect a script without such measures as punk-buster so long as the script doesn't interfere with packets.
     
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    scrippers DUpe HAx and then Dupe hax scipt! the script that guy ran actually duped the whole shard and put it on a USB drive that he can now plug in and dupe any shard that he logs in to!!! also everything in this game is scripted and dupers did it!!!!

    PSST - look at this last line from 2008.............

    Publish 52 on May 5, 2008.

    House Placement Changes

    This publish implements several changes to prevent house placement exploits.

    15 day character age requirement to place or trade a house
    Water barrels/magic fields/etc will no longer block house placement
    When a house is placed on top of a moongate, the placer will get a message about placement being blocked, and the moongate will be destroyed (at both ends.)
    IDOC behavior (houses that collapse through decay):
    When an IDOC drops, housing cannot be placed on the lot for a random amount of time
    Items that drop from the IDOC will have protections against scripted looting
     
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  18. Lady Michelle

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    Your right, but if its done like I posted in # 13 Mesanna, or the gms can be hidden there watching, and no one will know they are there even the player who sent the information on the house. Question now is would you use a looting scripted knowing there might be mesanna there, or a GM would you chance it?
     
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    No it's not <laughs> All they have to do is monitor the data stream from your client.

    Jobo is in Minoc, takes his three steps, his client sends the data, and what the heck?! He's now in Trinsic?! Definitely not normal game client/system behavior.

    IDOC falls, client sends data to server, what a minute!? Jobo picked up and placed 72 items into his backpack in 3.7 seconds?! Definitely not normal game client/system behavior.

    Either case is an obvious script. Ban the account immediately.
     
  20. Ox AO

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    Not sure how moving an item around in your bag qualifies as a script. The graphic of seeing items move in the air that is being moved in your bag is a very old bug from the beginning of the game.
    Not sure how he moved the items in the bag but this goes back to day one of this game
     
  21. Spellbound

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    Moving one item a few times in your backpack is one thing, but high priced items moving continuously from 2 different spots to one character for about an hour is quite suspicious and abnormal. Several players observed this; not just me. Can bet the GMs who came to investigate saw it too.
     
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    Items that look like they're flying through the air is not a sign of scripting. People looting an IDOC while hidden is also not a sign of scripting.
     
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    I got a question
    Ive had this happen, and I would like to know if this also might have happened to anyone else.
    You place a item you have looted in your main back pack at a idoc. once your done looting you recall out to drop the loot off, and that item you know was in your back pack is gone? As that happened to you?
     
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    Sometimes you will get a false image. I hate that when that happens
     
  25. Spellbound

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    Items that are moved within your backpack are usually seen in close proximity to your character. These items were streaming at 120 times a minute from 5 to 12 tiles away towards one hidden character detectable by tracking skill. My gut instinct still screams script looter.

    P.S. I never insinuated hiders are scripters, I hide too sometimes.
     
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    Then your gut should ask your brain to ask the devs if this provision is still in place:

    Publish 52 on May 5, 2008.

    Items that drop from the IDOC will have protections against scripted looting
     
  27. Spellbound

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    What they had in place, I'll never know. There may be ways to circumvent the protections. What has been occurring on Napa this last week finally forced me to page on the possibility GMs could visualize what we've suspected for a long time, and take appropriate actions. Not going to blame them for failing to prevent it, but would be sorely disappointed only if they didn't heed our pages. There is room for improvement, Woot.
     
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    Yes please, waste our GM resources on your misguided perceptions of your observations of game mechanics.
     
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    Still not a sign of a scripter. This is very common to see at IDOCs, especially very crowded/popular ones with tons of items.

    As for items looted that seem to disappear from packs, happens a lot if you have numerous people trying to pick up the same item. Simply a glitch. One person really gets the item and the other gets the false image that goes away.

    Curious though, since I only use the CC. Does the newer client have the same graphic bugs at IDOCs?
     
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    Over an hour (well after the event) of continuous repeated flight from 5 to 12 tiles away is not common. If my perceptions are misguided, the GMs can observe and do nothing. Honest players shouldn't feel threatened by a responding GM. It's not my call to judge, but I will report based on what I observe.
     
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    Whether or not you believe it is common, it is still not a sign of scripting or cheating. But you should indeed you should page if you believe there is someone breaking the rules. But repeated paging is a waste of time if it's for the same activity in the same location as GMs will never disclose any actions they take.
     
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    Why are you so intent on belittling my actions? Actually just action; I only paged once.
     
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    Simply replying to your comments, like you're doing with me. You seemed so content on convincing us that what you are experiencing was clear signs of scripters and I am disagreeing with you. If you don't like that, *shrugs* get over it.

    Never said you were wrong to page if you think something illegal is going on though, only that numerous pages would be a waste of time.
     
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    Ok, trying to convince you won't matter in the long run, and we can disagree on what has transpired. As a player we can choose to cheat via scripts, dupe, and even hack, or we can play the game honestly. The report was handled. Ball is in the Dev's and GM's court to play with as they wish.

    I do admire Lady Michelle's suggestion to send prior notification of IDOCs with large amounts of rares that attract script looters. If we put our heads in the sand as some folks prefer, cheaters will prosper. That is what motivates me.
     
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    scrippers DUpe HAx and then Dupe hax scipt! the script that guy ran actually duped the whole shard and put it on a USB drive that he can now plug in and dupe any shard that he logs in to!!! also everything in this game is scripted and dupers did it!!!!

    PSST - look at this last line from 2008.............

    Publish 52 on May 5, 2008.

    House Placement Changes

    This publish implements several changes to prevent house placement exploits.

    15 day character age requirement to place or trade a house
    Water barrels/magic fields/etc will no longer block house placement
    When a house is placed on top of a moongate, the placer will get a message about placement being blocked, and the moongate will be destroyed (at both ends.)
    IDOC behavior (houses that collapse through decay):
    When an IDOC drops, housing cannot be placed on the lot for a random amount of time
    Items that drop from the IDOC will have protections against scripted looting

    SCRIpt duPE HAckeRs!!!!!
     
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    Nah, and I'm not here to argue over it either, I've already provided my opinion. I do like Michelle's suggestion as well, if scripting is indeed a common practice at certain IDOC's, houses dropping with a large number of items and rares would be the place for GMs to hunt.
     
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    You are wasting your time to get anything fixed.
    Game died to these leeches long ago.
    Best bet is to hang your sword and wand up and find another game for now.

    If Messana wants to show there trying , then give EM,s the power to insta jail or kill all a-holes at events that cause nothing but greifing or trouble to get players to stop going to EM events.

    I have stoped because of such reason , and dont even do idocs anymore because of rampant cheets for years.
     
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    Your still incorrect. A script is not detectable so long as it is used while attended. Scripts only manipulate client side actions. Without the use of a punk-buster type program scripters will always be here. Now, I don't use them, but if I were to use them to answer your question: I would be fine using them in front of Messana or 1000 GM's, thats how undetectable they are.



    If you read my post correctly you would have noticed that I said as long as the script doesn't interfere with the packets. Before you "laugh" make sure you understand what I was talking about first. Your scenario's would involve a "hacK" which manipulates game data packets, which can be caught. An actual looting script would still only grab 1 item or container at a time. To grab 72 would require hacking the packet to allow your char to grab multiple at the same time.


    I usually havn't gotten too involved in many scripter related threads. But it amazes me that so many people complain about scripting, think they know solutions yet, they know nothing about how scripting works.

    Also like I have told people before, if EA or the dev's really cared about scripting and ridding the game of it, they wouldn't have written the EC in LUA. It's sort of a too-little too-late situation where people shouldn't of freaked out over punk-buster way back when.
     
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    Two things need to happen to deal with scripters and cheaters in general. Sadly its two things that will never happen due to a playerbase that is unwilling to accept change.

    Punkbuster or a program like it. Many out there on many f2p games I`ve played.
    Than ya have the need to shut down the client known as 2d. Every exploit out there revolves around 2d.

    So.... look forward to another 15 years of this nonsense... or however long it lasts.
     
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    Then the scriptors promptly write new exploits for the EC so "ya have the need to shut down the client known as" EC.

    Oops, now we have no clients left.
     
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    Except for the fact the EC was written in LUA.
     
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    I'm not an expert IDOC'er by any means, but have been to my fair share of them. I know it's difficult to get some of the good items when there's many people there, but I find it odd not to get anything. Is there a chance that every item I went to grab was already being grabbed by someone else? Sure there is, but again not to get anything? I did 3 over the weekend that I was lucky enough to be at when it actually fell and two of them grabbed some decent items including one bag of arty's. The last one was totally crazy with items flying through the air everywhere and nothing to grab for my self. Why was this one like that and the other two were not?
    I don't want all the items or even most the items, but just a couple would be nice and think when others play fair I have a very good chance to grab some. It seems to me just from observation that one or more were using some kind of script to grab multiple items at once. It doesn't seem likely that out of 15 people and 5 times or more that number of items I didn't get anything. Not even a measly wooden bench of no value lol. It seems when every items is grabbed up no matter how small the value, there is something not right. You most always have lots of junk left lying on the ground that no one wants. That's just my observation from all the IDOC's I have done over the years.
     
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    Some people grab all items and clean up the area - I assume for Cleanup Britannia points. And even some scrappy rings and bracelets can bring some points, as long as its not the silverish style.
    At a recent IDOC all ignored some wands, I took them - 5 of them were ID wands, which give around 6k points.
     
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    I have always hated looting scripts, I have always hated scripting in general but it is many years now that I have seen not much changes. I even asked that if stopping scripting was not technically feasible or worth doing, then the official policy be changed from being scripting illegal to be made as legal so that all players playing UO would finally be able to play it on an equal footing but neither I have seen scripting stopped nor I have seen it be made legal for all players. And I do not understand it.

    I cannot understand the current policy. Is it illegal ? Then stop it. Cannot or do not want to stop it ? Then make it legal for all players. Either one would be better then what we curently have which sees players playing the same game at a disadvantage because some use scripts and some do not, IMHO.
     
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    Just a quick question for ya popps.... When your driving along & the speed limit is 60 mph, yet everyone seems to be driving @ 64 do you get annoyed because those other drivers have an unfair advantage? I mean ...... the limit is 60 that's THE LAW. How dare they go faster! Those cops are out there pulling over people going 80+ but you just creeping up to 64 is impossible because it's BREAKING the law! The point is you should have long since made up your mind on this topic & talking about it hasn't worked b4 so I don't see why it will work this time. Alas.... I forgot who I'm addressing. Talking about pointless stuff......
    Anyway...
     
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    "Publish 52 on May 5, 2008. "

    House Placement Changes

    First, look at the date....scripts I am sure have been rewritten and upgraded to circumvent what
    was put into code 4 years ago.
    Second, I was at that idoc Spellbound is talking about, and what it looked like to me and I am
    not an expert by any means. But, I think the script got stuck and was just looping over and
    over and over. I have seen this before when the collections came out and we paged a GM. GM came,
    GM saw and Scriptor went.

    And no logging in and out or shutting down the client did not fix it. And he/she was not moving
    stuff around in their pack...this was totally different.
     
  47. Zosimus

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    This topic as many others like it never et anywhere. Some will defend while some will attack scriptors. It's old.


    Far as the OP situation this is done and over with by now. Why is this topic still open? Should of been closed by now because this isn't helping anything.


    Mesanna knows by now so it's on their end
     
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    ummm dunno if you know this or not but when you move items around in your backpack , sometimes it gives them the look of flying through the air to others...transfer tokens are really bad to do this....just stand at luna bank sometime youll see it
     
  49. Merus

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    It is not uncommon at all to see an item move though the air when it is being moved around in a pack, especially from a hidden player... however, when that exact item moves at the same 2 second intervals for more than an hour it does not stand to reason that this was a player activally at his/her pc purposely moving an item. Most are correct that a script run while attended can not be proven by looking at the data stream... most scripts do not do anything that a normal player can not do manually. That said, a character that stands in a single spot and trys to pick up the same item every second or two for hours on end would be highly suspect of scripting. I was at the IDOC in question and saw the behavior for well over an hour before the GM's showed up and it was clear to me as a player that what was happening was a computer program that had somehow gotten hungup.
     
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    lol no
     
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