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New Castle space needed

Discussion in 'UHall' started by Salya Sin, Nov 4, 2009.

  1. Salya Sin

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    As everyone knows.. there are few spaces in the game that can hold a castle... individuals who have them rarely let them fall for new placement and the price to buy one is obscene. THe current map in Tram and Fel has no spots left... the ones that were there are now spotted with smaller houses... and I mean SPOTTED. If I could move one just a few squares to the left or right... a castle I would own. :(

    Sooo... alas... I have a suggestion...

    When Malas was first released... there was a NO CASTLE... NO KEEP rule put into place to allow for more house placement... I understood the reasoning behind this... and agreed with it. But what about now? Has anyone spent any time running through the lands of Malas? It's empty... dead... aside from a few convoluted spots.

    Is there any way to get the UO team to allow placement now? It's a waste of empty space... and everyone knows that if you place a castle.. you keep your account from the 90 day idoc rule if for no other reason than keeping your Castle from falling. Money for UO... a Castle for those of us who refuse to pay 50-500 mil for something that cost the placer less than a mil.

    If anyone has any other ideas.. please.. give them voice. There has to be a way to allow for those of us who have so patiently searched and waited to finally get that coveted upgrade.

    For the record.. it's not about storage space... not for me anyway... I just love the layout... amount of actual space... and honestly... it's something that is awesome to have.
     
  2. T-Hunt

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    Isent there a few castles in Malas now..

    From reward or contest people won?
    As for a castle , i dont realy like them , but rather have a plot that size to customize..

    Now that would be sweet...

    They would have to increase the distance for castle placement also..
    As is its hard to see and get by some places now.....

    But only time will tell...you can only wish...
     
  3. Maplestone

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    I'm torn ... I'd like bigger estates to play with, but I think the EC needs some more optimization in rendering housing first.
     
  4. Dermott of LS

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    Castles are the biggest WASTE of space in the game. Hideously wasteful design with NO purpose to the courtyards whatsoever (keeps are really no better).

    As such, I don't really see a reason to allow more more to littler the landscape.

    A redesign with a smaller footprint and more efficient use of tile space would be better, then retire the original design from new builds, but allow the existing ones to remain standing.

    Just IMO.
     
  5. Some?
    hehehe
    Thats a kind word to choose!!
     
  6. Tazar

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    If they made Castles place-able in Malas, I could drop my houses and place 2 of them... but I'd NEVER do it... I prefer the freedom to customize! :)
     
  7. GarthGrey

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    This comes up for discussion every now and then. On LA, I knew of 1 person,1 that was given their Malas castle, there ARE NO OTHERS. I think they should make Malas and Tokuno available for at least Keeps...it's long over due. But it won't happen..just like the EM on LA won't drop all of the DSFASFA houses as was PROMISED..
     
  8. Hunters' Moon

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    I agree with Tazar here. If the Devs choose to do anything with houses,I would prefer them to work on codes that would allow us more custom options and maybe,just maybe...give us a basement floor option? I would give up an above-ground floor for a basement floor in a heartbeat. Yes,it would be possible,and perhaps even easy for the devs to do this. Look at the Twin Oaks Tavern in Ilsh. It has a basement.
     
  9. kelmo

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    I am kinda intrigued by Dermott's idea. I would take it further and create a whole new set of pre builds. All sizes. The current pre builds would be legacies...
     
  10. Maggie

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    I ve a keep only for storage. Castles and keeps are about storage and status. I dont think ea will allow more castles when they can get you to pay for 2 houses/accounts instead.
     
  11. Teeshy

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    I'd rather see max customisable houses have same storage as castles - you'd probably find more castles available then too - quite a few people have them purely for the storage.

    Personally I really dislike castles, too big, too much wasted space, too inconveniently designed. But equal storage for max customisables - that would be cool!
     
  12. Aurelius

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    Or buy 'increased storage' options on UOGamecodes. Either way, there's money in what they do now, and none in opening up more castle space......
     
  13. Ancient Sosarian

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    I say "To each their own."

    I know a Player who has 5 Castles and has gifted at least 2 others to friends. I also learned quite recently of one or two Castles that collapsed.

    I recommend patience and perseverance, or purchase. Do as others have done rather than asking for special favor.

    An SoS
     
  14. Salya Sin

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    Hmm... so the overall opinion on Stratics is we hate castles... but I know of sooo many people who want them that do not go onto Stratics. AND by asking them to open up Malas to castles and keeps is not asking for special favors imho... and 6 years is alot of patience... I'm not a new player and neither are alot of the individuals who have been waiting... searching and attempting to buy them. Hell... I know of two 9 year vets... one 8 year and a multitude of others...

    DO I agree they need to work on housing issues? Yes... Do I agree to adding storage to larger customized houses... yes... BUT... for those who like Castles and Keeps... RPers... or just fans of good old Renaissance age housing... we would like to be able to place them.... I know where just about every castle on Napa is... I check them weekly... some look like they have not been touched in 2 or more years... but there they stand...

    Malas is empty... you can run in clear open spaces with nothing... not even spawns of anything... no houses, pixies, bats, or fiends... just water troughs left from IDOC's past. It would not be a bother to anyone... it would not be much work on their part either... just deleting a couple of lines of code since it's a block put in... I don't understand why that would be a bad thing? No one goes anywhere out there anymore... There is no reason to. Those who prefer another housing type are not placing 18 x 18's out there... no one is placing anything... I simply request that since it's not being used for anything else... lift the ban so those who have been waiting can finally place one.
     
  15. Pinco

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    Honestly, why someone need a castle? for the huge amount of space.
    If they increase the 18x18 storage to be greater than the castle one, you'll never see castles anymore.

    If the devs would like to increase the house spaces they have to:
    - bring the 18x18 storange over 7k stones
    - give a big bonus to everyone that shall drop a castle... like the actual castle value: 200 mil on fel and 400 mil on tram (once per spot)

    In this manner we have (for each castle dropped), 4 house space (18x18) or much more for little ones.
     
  16. mjolnir131

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    most who are in the i hate castle crowd would be first in line to place one.there is alot of empty space around that need something housing is a desent option. maybe a couple in tram side t2a as well use it for something anyways.
     
  17. ACB1961

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    I agree fully.
     
  18. ejpeters

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    I hope they don't open any more castle spots, but maybe allow more than one home on an account.
     
  19. twoburntfouryou

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    I agree
     
  20. christy1221

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    Me too. Even if the second house had to be smaller then an 18x18
     
  21. Dermott of LS

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    most who are in the i hate castle crowd would be first in line to place one

    Count me out. Again, too much space that is wasted for me. I HATE the long corridors and wasted courtyards. Only purpose I would ever own a castle would be to sell it to someone else for real money. Beyond that, I have no interest in them.

    (OMG! He said he would sell it for real money!... yes, I did, and I'm honest about that.)
     
  22. mjolnir131

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    And your one of the few that i belive when you say that.
     
  23. XLaCeDX

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    "I simply request that since it's not being used for anything else... lift the ban so those who have been waiting can finally place one."


    Even if they did open Malas to castle placement what guarantee is there that only the people "who have been waiting to place one" would get those spots?

    How do you know who has been waiting years to place a castle and who just wants one to sell?

    There are professional house placers in UO. They would win the placement and you would still be stuck paying them cash irl or gold ingame if you wanted one.

    If every one owned a castle then they wouldn't be special anymore.

    I own a Fel castle that I placed myself about a year and a half ago on Pac.

    I was an idocer everyday for over a year.

    I placed at four or five smaller idocs in the same area over that years time and after a year owned enough land to place the castle. I even managed to place under 7 or 8 former FL's noses while they were busy looting at one of the idocs that is now my Fel castle front door. FL killed me but after I placed so all was good.

    :)

    Some things to do if you really want to own a castle for cheap.

    Never own a house in an area that a castle won't fit in. Live in an area where a castle would fit if all the neighbors moved away. That means Tram or Fel ONLY.

    Use your account house or account's houses as a future castle plot holder(s).

    When your neighbors quit UO or move to a new better house elsewhere, either place on their old spots with a 2nd and/or 3rd account (you can pay them every 90 days to hold the land), or resize your existing house over onto the neighbor's old spot.

    Never leave more than a 6 x 6 spot around your tram or fel home so that new houses cannot be placed next to yours.

    It's a gamble playing the waiting game but if you are going to live in UO anyways, you might as well live in an are a castle would fit in.

    Of course it helps alot if you are an idocer and know most of the houses that are or will be falling. Then you can scout the area to see if a castle might fit one day in the future and see if you should maybe move there.

    I once read there are only 50 spots big enough to place a castle on a shard. (Not counting Malas of course)

    Live in one of those 50 areas that doesn't currently have a castle if you can and suck up all the houses that fall in that area.

    Then you have a good chance of being able to place a castle yourself.
     
  24. Tom_Builder

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    I have placed 6 castles in the last 4 months. You just need to watch for idoc's. With all the open land for smaller homes out there it's easy to place a home near a idoc and wait for the area to open up. I do use 3 accounts as house placers. Also if you see an area with an old OSI house on it, page on it and it will be removed. This takes time, but they do remove them. I just placed a fel castle 2 days ago, it took 3 months for them to remove the large marble that was blocking me. But I now have a nice castle on the minoc/vesper road.

    Just dont give up on one and you will get it sooner or later.

    Tom
     
  25. Tom_Builder

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    The design does kind of suck, but as storage castles cant be beat. Plus with the new house teleporters, they are much easier to get around in. I have placed many casltes over the years, and normally just sell them for in game gold. But I will always keep one for myself as a storage house.

    If there was a another house with that much storage, then I wouldnt have to keep it, but as it is now lockdowns are the most important part of house ownership.

    Tom
     
  26. Lost-Soul

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    You used to be able to recall/gate into these courtyards for safety from pks at your front door.
     
  27. Shelleybean

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    I think it would be great for more castle space to be opened up. :) I would also love it if they increased the base storage of all houses across the board. This game has been going on for a long time and it's not hard to acquire a lot of posessions over the years.