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New Despise boss questions

Discussion in 'UHall' started by S_S, Sep 1, 2012.

  1. S_S

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    1. Is my "pet" actually doing damage to the boss even though I'm not seeing any damage numbers?

    2. Does the boss contain any loot on the body once dead or just backpack drops?
     
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    I dont believe anyone sees damage on the boss. but you are getting credit.

    There is some loot on the corpse, but arties go to backpack.

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    Then I'm doing something wrong? I've done the boss 3 times now, always see my pet attack the boss. But after it dies, never able to loot the boss corpse. Only body I can loot is the wisp if I do enough damage to it, and even that was bugged once and just said "corpse" when I opened it.
     
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    Sounds like your pet is attacking the wisp, and not the boss. Not sure how you could avoid this. Maybe someone else can chime in on this. My experience has been half the time my pet attacks the boss, and half the wisp. The wisp usually goes down pretty fast, then the pet switches to boss. This is with groups of at least 4.
     
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    suggestion - get the pet hung up on something with the wisp and boss chasing you. The boss is typically faster than the wisp, especially after it takes damage. As you run away, have a friend invis your pet, or you invis it, to break aggro lock - then run back to it to where it will start moving, with the boss closer to you and it, than the wisp. hopefully, it will reacquire the boss instead of the wisp.
     
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    Rather than create another thread I will ask my questions on despise in this one.

    Yesterday I did the 'boss' three times.

    1. the first time it was with two level 10 pets (blue sileni, and divine guardian) and one level 15 pet (blue Echidnite). We completed killing the boss, and I was lucky enough to get the compassion eye ring (I had the level 10 sileni). We killed the wisp 3 times in this encounter.

    2. the second time we did it was with two level 15's (blue naba) and one level 9 (blue phantom). After 30 mins, we got the boss down to 0% health and then got timed out with it killing our pets, and
    casting lightning bolts all around us, I assume that is the 'doom' spell. I figured we had about 1 more minute needed to successfully kill the boss as it had been on 0% health for a while. We got the warning when it was on 8% health. We were NOT impressed given the time taken to train the pets and then the 30 mins of casting heal over and over on our pets once you get to the boss. We killed the wisp at least 4 times during this encounter.

    3. the third time, given the above fiasco, we took in 4 level 15 pets, all blue. (darkmane, echidnite, phantom and skeletrex) . Again, after 30 mins of the monotonous heal casting, and killing the wisp over and over, we hit the warning again when it was on very low health and got timed out AGAIN.

    I will not repeat the expletives that resulted after that. Although one member of our group basically has decided to never set foot in the dungeon again given the hours wasted for absolutely nil reward.

    My questions are:
    Given that players cannot damage the boss and only the 'pets' can, are others experiencing this 'timing out' and if so what number and mix of pets do you use?
    Has anyone done it successfully on more than one occasion with 3 pets or less and if so what level/mix of pet?
    Was the success we had on the first round just a fluke?
    Given that the first attempt with just two level 10's and 1 level 15 was successful, we assumed, wrongly it seems, that with higher level pets and more pets that we would 'expect' to complete the fight. As this was not the case does anyone have any suggestions as to why not?

    This was the most frustrating day possible and left a pretty bad taste in the mouth especially as the last two battles had at least an hour and a half time spent on each. To not even 'get' the kill when the thing was on 0 health both times as it tossed us out was infuriating.
     
  7. Frarc

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    "My questions are:
    Given that players cannot damage the boss and only the 'pets' can, are others experiencing this 'timing out' and if so what number and mix of pets do you use?
    Has anyone done it successfully on more than one occasion with 3 pets or less and if so what level/mix of pet?
    Was the success we had on the first round just a fluke?
    Given that the first attempt with just two level 10's and 1 level 15 was successful, we assumed, wrongly it seems, that with higher level pets and more pets that we would 'expect' to complete the fight. As this was not the case does anyone have any suggestions as to why not?"

    When there a lot of players it might be better of with something with a range attack. The Obhidian/Pixie Or maybe the Centaur/Skeletrix. The archers are very tricky to train at first levels cause they die very easy.

    Done it several times with 2 and 3 people. It does take a long time. The Nightmare/Phantom combo works nicely. Both where level 15. One time with 3 we had 1 angel one mare and one wolf. I was the bard to disco to Lord and wisp.

    I got more then 1 arty but not on every round. Luck Helps! (And not only RL one) .

    Not sure what went wrong with more more pets but yetserday we did a event in Despise with Alot of people and we crushed the Lord and his wisps in no time.We had 10 or more people on them.The wisps had no chance at all.

    [​IMG]

    Very important is that you not just heal your own pet but the pet of the one that gets beaten by the Lord and Wisp.

    And i have the feeling its best to stay on the island to fight them.
    I "think" but i could be wrong. if you take them off the island you can't damage them.
    And also not only the Lord can give you a arty also the Wisps.
     
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    And I guess that is my question, how with a 4 level 15s( nightmare, phantom, tzuki wolf and skeletrex) did we not complete and time out. The pets were on the boss the whole time, we healed each others pets continuously, killed the wisp 4-5 times. And got tossed out when the boss was pretty near dead. Players can't damage the Lord, only the wisp, so this is what confuses me. If you can complete with 2out of the 4 we had, what explanation is there?
     
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    My best geuss on that is that someone or several players before you and your friends showed up already attacked the boss and failed ,the timer to kill the boss (I think thats it is about a hour from whe he is summoned or first attacked) already was counting down when you arrived. With that your time to kill it was shortened.
     
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    My pet been hitting the boss from the beginning to the end(lvl 15 pet), but then 3 times i hunt today, i dont have looting rights on this, is it a bug or what? I am 100% sure my pet is not hitting the wisp as someone is hitting the wisp few tiles away. Anyone help?
     
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    Can you provide more information?
    What shard were you on and what time were you doing it? How many people would you say were at the encounter and what type of pet did you have?

    OP, I will also look into the issue of displaying pet damage numbers.
     
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    This is what I'm experiencing. I know my pet is not hitting the wisp due to it being attacked a few tiles away by others there. Yet my pet has attacked the boss from beginning to end and no looting rights all 3 times. Probably 7-8 people there attacking the boss with pets all 3 times.
     
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    I do like the way despise is set up with the good vs evil sides and how the pet levels up,though It's kind of difficult to get the pet to follow sometimes and it's equally hard to get it to fight a specific target.

    I was wondering if there were any plans to allow one to command the possessed pets with the normal pet commands - all kill, all follow, all stop - etc ?
     
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    Me and a friend did a two man Andros, both with level 15 mares. One of us was the discoer/healer for the pets and the other was a thrower killing the wisp anytime is spawned. It did take a while, but we completed it without too much trouble.
     
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    that would explain it, but surely this should be a bug? I mean you could go to the effort to train your pets up, heed the call of arms only to find the boss has 5 minutes left on it's clock and you get tossed out.

    I know on the third attempt we made that a couple had gone in and were unsuccessful about 20 minutes before we went in (only because they were with us and went in accidently). If this is the case it sucks. It should 'despawn' 5 minutes or so after it has been attacked if it is not killed. There is no way to know if someone has been in ahead of you and left it unkilled. You shouldn't be penalized on time because other ppl failed to kill it.
     
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    Yes, thats something that needs to look into that.
     
  17. slayer888

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    Hi Bleak,

    Shard: Formosa

    HK time: (Can't remember exact, but around 1:00pm to 6:00pm time)

    1st time = (6-7 people)
    Pet = Naba
    Side = Good
    Pet level = 14
    Target = boss (100% sure as the wisp is full hp of all time; not even a slight red on it's bar)
    Damage = hit from beginning to the end

    Wierd looting right by others (lvl 7 pets, lvl 11 pets [who got the night sight gargyole shoe])


    2nd time = 2 people (me and another person only)
    Pet = Dreadmane
    Side = Good
    Pet level = 13
    Target = boss (100% sure as the wisp is full hp of all time; not even a slight red on it's bar)
    Damage = hit from beginning to the end

    (the other person lvl 14 pet have looting right of everything, no af drop)


    3rd time = 4-5 people
    Pet = Naba
    Side = Good
    Pet level = 15
    Target = boss (100% sure as there is a warrior wracking wisp of all time even after it respawned 2-3 times, during the lure few tiles away of the wisp from that warrior, my pet have not changed target or move at all, so it is certain that my pet stick to the boss of all time)
    Damage = hit from beginning to the end

    Wierd looting right by others (pet of lvl 15 "warrior who hit the wisp", lvl 7 pet by another stranger)

    Random system are really crappy, let everything implement like the DOOM system please. At least we know there is a purpose to keep on grinding and grinding and not hunting 10000 years and in 1 try by the others, they get the af and you have to wait another 10000 years again. Thank you.
     
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    1 = yes (make sure its on agresssive)

    2 = Artifact drops in the backpack, loot is on the body. Amazing loot but was all cursed for me.
     
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    Well I hope someone IS looking at it. Right now I really don't want to put in the time to train a pet up if 5 mins before I start training someone just failed to kill the boss and it's timer is running so by the time I get in there it only has 15 mins before it casts doom and tosses us out.
     
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    To tired to read any of this if it was posted already, but I just see which pet is tanking, and just help keep it healed. You get looting rights for healing.
    I even get looting rights even when my pet was stuck in a wall and I sat there healing someone else's. I don't think it was designed where u can go aggresive and 1 or 2 people worries about losing thier pet and get teleported out while the other's eat a bowl of cereal and watching the show.
     
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    I would recommend avoiding taking Pixies or that other thinggy that's on the evil side can't think of it's name as those will heal the boss...

    Second we found dropping the wisp down to reline and keeping it redlined allowed us to kill the boss with only 3 people. We had 2 lvl 15 E.Warriors and one lvl 15 bear... seemed to go down slow but sure ended without a problem but I got NOTHING. As usual. *sighs*
     
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    These guys thought the Cora "only one person can fight the boss or everyone dies" mechanic was a good thing, I don't even know what's a bug with them and what's just their bizarre idea of good game design.
     
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    Drachenfels, 7 people , 19:30 till 20:10 CEST. Used a Skeletrex Level 11 and a summoned scorpion, Pet was shooting at Lord from the start and Scorpion kept poisoning the Lord. No Looting rights in the end.
     
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  24. Just did one on Europa, everyone was cross healing , taking down wisps, think there was 5 of us. At least 4 of us got arties! Creatures were levels 7-10 mainly.
     
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    I think cross healing other peoples pets is key to your drop chances.

    Also we had a sampire tank the boss even though he could not do any damage. Kept the boss in one place and the boss attacked out pets less.
     
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    Same here. Not going into Despise again unless this BS is fixed. It's bad enough you can't control the pets directly but when your pet is the second highest level out of the 5 there, is being hit and hitting the boss the whole time and then when the boss dies you get no looting rights... screw that.
     
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    I sent Mesanna an email about this issue because it happens at EM events as well. She emailed back asking for details which I supplied, from there I felt it just got "swept under the rug".
     
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    I am sorry you felt the email regarding Despise was swept under the rug but until we got back from vacation there was nothing we can do about it. We heard everyone's feedback and are fixing that and the issue with the healing mobs healing the boss, we hope to have it out today or tomorrow.

    As far as this happening at EM events, that only happens in Fel and there is no way we can interfer with the ruleset of Felucca. EM's try to not have an all out war but somethings it just can't be helped.
     
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    I think some folks still think y'all chain the Devs to a desk in a room, toss in pizza pockets and Mt. Dew/Monster every few hours and that is how they live 24/7. Thanks for the update, hope the weekend was a blast.
     
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    Sorry to derail this thread but WTF @ only happening at FEL events?? I said that in my email to you? Funny because I DON"T do fel events. It's happening at Tram events whether you want to admit there is a problem or not, There is! Several people at the TRAM event on Sonoma just last night did NOT get looting rights when they should have. I'm not saying anything about getting any item that may drop but damned if we don't do mass damage and not get to even loot the creature because of no looting rights when it dies.
     
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    I think she was referring to griefing in Felucca Em events, but can you provide more details on last night's event? It can be very well explained by a single player dealing eight or sixteen times more than others, but since we don't have a clear idea on the looting rights the healers and the bards get, it might be a case of a disco tamer getting looting rights from the damage the pet dealt, healing the pet and the effect of discordance, all of which should attribute to that players' looting rights and it might exceed others' efforts (by eight or sixteen times, if the mob has 1k to 3k, or more than 3k hit points, respectively).
     
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    A Trammel EM event a month ago on my 6x120 necro mage main after chain casting 100 damage flamestrikes with a slayer spellbook in wraith form on a mob, doing tens of thousands in damage and not getting looting rights. I haven't bothered going to an event since on that character...

    You guys seriously borked looting rights trying to do whatever it was you were trying to do.

    In despise it was a Darkmare level 12, tanked half of the time, was on the boss and only 1 other of the 5 pets was a higher lvl 13.
     
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    Besides the bug they need to fix, honestly, they gotta implement everything under the Doom system. As long as nothing can be scripted, they need it to be implemented similar to Doom distribution system method. I really hate this RNG system where you cannot control the population yourself. Because some lucky dudes will really be lucky enough to get all the looting rights and afs... while you do 1000000000000 times also would get nothing.

    I think same goes with the replica + renowned af, i am doing the mini spawn for 10 times in a row, someone pop in wrack the boss and then he get his looting right which include the 10 ssi gargyole armor piece... while i get nothing.

    Really I think there should be a point system stored within each character's or account individually for replica, renowned, etc...
     
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    I thought they put in a fix for looting rights to balance out the amount of points you get from healing versus damage when it comes to looting rights. Guess they did not balance it enough for boss over certain hp, # of players and amount of damage that the boss dishes out, all can be a factor in amount of damage that can be done versus the amount of healing that can be done over all.

    I mean when you think about it, Boss of 100k HP versus 200k HP can have a dramatic difference on getting looting rights and when you have all three factors working together, it seems that you can always heal more than the amount of damage you can do. So if you can have a constant damage output with healing going on at the same time, you will most likely get looting rights versus someone that's just doing pure damage. A boss can deal way more in damage versus its own hp so if you just do damage, you are essentially capped by the boss' hp versus someone that can do damage and heal at the same time will have a definite higher cap to gain points towards end loot drop calculation.

    When you think about it, the amount of damage and healing that tamer\caster\bard can pump out versus dexxer templates would be definitely significant. Unless you are cross healing with another dexxer that is taking damage as well, you will probably never have enough total points in the final loot distribution calculation. The cases where caster can not get looting right pretty much is caused by not healing other targets to get extra points.

    Devs want people to work together on Boss at Events and the looting changes definitely swings it in the favor of templates that are able to do both healing and damage at the same time.
     
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    Those of you Not getting looting rights, I'm pretty sure the way it's set up is you receive looting rights by healing damaged pets while they are fighting the boss, it doesn't matter if your pet is hitting the boss or not. this would explain why you're unable to see the damage your pet is doing...

    I've only been there once, I haven't had any problems. (Disco-Provo-Chiv-Mage)
     
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    False. One of the times it was my pet being hit. Guildmate and me kept it healed. In the end I did get an artifact when it died, but was still unable to loot the boss corpse.
     
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    does anyone see the damage there pet does?
     
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    On the first day I could see damage numbers if my pet was hitting the wisp and not the boss, but now I don't even see those numbers. Sometimes it's hard to see in a large crowd if my pet is hitting the boss or wisp.
     
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    Me as well, I was on a tamer vetting my pet who was tanking half the time with no one else healing it.