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[NEWS] A Little Bird Told Us

Discussion in 'UHall' started by Petra Fyde, Jan 13, 2012.

  1. Petra Fyde

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    We are 'trilled' to announce a new 'news' feature on uo.stratics:
    [​IMG] The Sparrow's Nest.

    Our intrepid reporter, Lady Laurel, will be relaying UO related tweets from Jeff Skalski and others.
    We hope everyone will find this additional source of information interesting.
     
  2. GalenKnighthawke

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    Cool.

    -Galen's player
     
  3. old gypsy

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    Oh, that is good news. Thank you!
     
  4. Ezekiel Zane

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    Ok, I have to say I'm at least satisfied with this development.

    As long as what Mr. Skalski says about UO via Twitter, is relayed via an official source I'll quit pancakes about it.
     
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    Glad to see this come about. The LAST thing I wanted to do was join twitter to be able to tell whats going on.
     
  6. Lady Storm

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    Give the Lady my thanks! I refuse to tweet, like or any of that nonsence.
     
  7. MalagAste

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    Too bad it's one way. Those of us who refuse to Tweet have little way of communicating.

    Except Emails that oft times go unanswered making one wonder if they are even read.
     
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    Twitter is worse than Icq. And I hate ICQ.
     
  9. Salivern_Diago

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    Well this is good news. However I hope Lady Laurel will be seeking to post both ends of the conversations from Twitter (And asking permission of the other person to do so) otherwise only seeing one half of the conversation will not make much sense most of the time.

    What I am worried about is fansites like UOS reposting his every tweet publically might cause him to stop posting UO related stuff. Knowing what people are like on UOS taking things out of context and considering it is his personal twitter account (And UOS dosnt have any offical affiliation to UO or Mythic) it might be upsetting to some.

    Do any of the UOS reporters hold a press card btw?
     
  10. AirmidCecht

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    We are simply reposting public status updates for those who don't follow twitter or other social networks. A few on the UO and Mythic teams enjoy twitter and we'll be respectful of that. Updates related to UO only will be shared as a courtesy to our forums readers who don't follow other social areas.

    Thanks to Lady Laurel :)
     
  11. Salivern_Diago

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    Ah ok, so when Jeff puts up a random status about UO then that will get posted but if he is discussing something with someone it wont?
     
  12. AirmidCecht

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    I can't say that with certainty Salivern because if a player asks Jeff a question in relation to UO there is no reason not to post that sort of update. We would of course never post a private PM or email conversation however social network updates like twitter are public updates anyone can read and share :)
     
  13. goldenpower

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    you don't have to join twitter to view tweets

    http://twitter.com/#!/Jeff_Skalski
     
  14. Salivern_Diago

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    Ok fair enough, however if UOS dosnt have the protection of being a member of the press then I woudl be concerned about reposting personal tweets in a business fashion without at lest permission of the orginal poster. I know for certain that I wouldnt be too happy if another company was making money out of my posts on twitter.

    I seriously recommend that Laurel asks permission of the posters before reposting them. If not to be curtious but at lest to avoid any personal litigation. While the tweets are 'public' they still are the right of the orginal poster and it is the poster's choice if they get reposted or not and not a commercal organisation.
     
  15. goldenpower

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    these are messages posted publicly, like on a bulletin board or in a newspaper. there's no need to ask permission to re-post tweets. in fact a core feature of twitter is re-tweeting another person's tweet. I think you have a fundamental misunderstanding of what twitter is. you shouldn't post anything on twitter that you do not want other people to read. the entire purpose of twitter is to make what you say public so others can read it.
     
  16. Salivern_Diago

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    I know what twitter is and how it works... Re-tweeting on twitter is all well and fine as its non-profit related, it can also be traced to source.

    What I am concerned about is the reposting of someones tweets on a commercal website that is not Twitter. If I post something I Twitter and then find someone else is making money out of my twitter, yes I'ld be hacked off and I'ld be calling my Barrister without hesitation. I think you've mis-read my posts about this as I've stated clearly several times about companies making money from my tweets and other business's reposting my tweets without permission.

    If you write something, anything at all then you own and have all the rights to your words. Unless you sell the rights or give the rights away it is only decent if a business wants to repost your words to ask you for permission. Believe me there are alot of people out there who would sue someone for lesser things.
     
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    I honestly feel this needs to be said...

    Tweets are for twits.

    Just like the week that lame trendy system came out, they paid countess news agents, television personalities, and show hosts to yap about this new and wonderful system. Pay for popularity and a great portion of us are not interested.

    Why doesn’t Jeff have an email address like normal people? Someone ask him that. Or... why can't customers contact him without using a third party system?

    File me under "refused"... I'm not paid to use that system. Maybe Jeff is.
     
  18. AirmidCecht

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    EvilPixieWorks:

    This has never been instead of, rather in addition to from both anyone giving updates wherever those updates are. Players have been posting info they get from whatever source they get it when they can. Lady Laurel volunteered to add one more element of delivering it :)

    This really isn't anything too out of the ordinary other than it has a [news] tag around it to highlight it. We understand not everyone wants to use other networks but that should not keep everyone from doing so.

    We're just adding another element for players :)
     
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    Thats 'cos tweeting him is a privledge and not a right. Remember he is the boss of UO and most bosses you cannot contact directly unless its something no-one else can deal with.

    There were a few of us who were asking Jeff questions for those who cant/wont use twitter but due to the moaning by a select few we stopped. Hopefully when we get the new website for UO later in the year it'll include the return of the offical UO forums (Which might involve more of the UO team?). As much as I like Stratics, I would prefer proper offical forums where the staff of EA/Mythic manage it. Dont get me wrong I have nothing but good words to the folks who run Stratics but at the end of the day UOS isnt offical, its just a fansite like UOForums, UO Auctions etc.

    At lest with tweeting Jeff, you are going straight to the main man without anyone getting in the way.
     
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    I have been trying to tweet to him questions that people are having, though they do not show up on his Twitter page until he responds. So far he has seemed happy that I am relaying the info, and I hope that it stays that way.

    If you, or anyone else does not have/want a Twitter account but would like to ask a reasonable UO related question, I will be happy to relay it. Feel free to PM me here on stratics.

    I will only be reporting on UO related issues and as far as re-tweeting/re-posting someone's tweets, Twitter already has avenues in place that I can post them all to my facebook or have them feed to other sites, so there is no expectations of privacy for anything that you post on twitter.
     
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    burns loona wif tweety birds
     
  24. Salivern_Diago

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    I'm aware of those Kelmo, but dont forget that it states you have to comply with all laws to your end users. I would be curtious and ask first though...
     
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    First you were happy the producer uses Twitter rather than a forum, Now when the tweets are brought to the forum for none-twitter users you kick a fuss? Sounds ilke you have an agenda. ;)
     
  27. Salivern_Diago

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    Eh well posting help center pages isnt going to stop some people so I'll just leave it at that.

    Would be nice for once if people were curtious though rather than always on the take take take.
     
  28. kelmo

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    An example of a disclaimer:

    http://www.breakingtweets.com/privacy/

    The staff at Breaking Tweets takes the issue of privacy very seriously.

    While the site frequently monitors Web analytics, such as the countries users are from and the content that is most widely viewed, it will never share private information about you to a third-party, nor does it ever collect any information from you that is not publicly available through the Web.

    Visitors of Breaking Tweets should rest assured that information they provide, such as comments, will never be sold or reproduced without permission under any circumstances.

    Furthermore, we encourage any Twitter users who object to the fact we have featured their tweet(s) on our site to contact us. We respect your request and will take down the material in question immediately.
     
  29. Salivern_Diago

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    LOL No, I just dont agree with publication of peoples writings without thier permission or consent.
     
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    I best call up Sky News then as they show celebrity tweets daily, And I want to bet they don't ask permission.
     
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    ESPN as well... some of those high dollar athletes tweet the craziest things...
     
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    Sky news is a member of the Press which is different to a point. Members of the Press seem to have a very good knack of getting away with broadcasting stuff that they shouldnt and get away with it. It dosnt mean that I agree with it either.

    Also alot of Celeb's post on twitter purposely for thier fans.
     
  34. goldenpower

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    did you ask EA permission to use all of that UO art on your auction site?
     
  35. Salivern_Diago

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    I didnt no but Rupert did by signing up to the Fansite program and gained permission to use it.

    So in a word, yes!
     
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    Whether or not you agree with it, if it's posted or published openly, it's up for grabs.
     
  37. kelmo

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    *issues virtual press passes to all Stratics reporters*
     
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    I woudl have to disagree by referring to both the US and UK law. Firstly the US's the Statutory Copyright Law 1976 (Copyright Act of 1976) and then the UK's Copyright & Patents act (Copyright, Designs and Patents Act 1988).

    I've included both as while I an resident in the UK, some of you will say that Stratics is a US website. So becuase of that, I've linked you to both. For me however, the UK law superceeds the US law as I am in the UK an using the internet in the UK. Both countries however ratify these laws.

    All I am saying with all of this is, at lest seek permission to repost someones tweets. Its only decent to do so.
     
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    Excellent Post!!!! :)


    A huge 'THANK YOU' to Lady Laurel.

    I feel any information that stratics can provide the players, no matter if they use any social media or not, is important to be passed along to the community.
     
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    Horse hockey, Salivern. I'm in the UK, too. How effective were superinjunctions again? How many twitter prosecutions have there been?

    Twitter Superinjunctions List


    :lol:

    *runs off to retweet all of Salivern's tweets without asking permission*
     
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    *laughs*
     
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    Eh i'm fighting a loosing battle here either way. I'm disappointed that no-one seems to care about being asked but I guess thats just how things are now.

    Have to say it wont effect me anyway as my twitter account is marked as private. But I do believe it would only be fair to request permission first but thats me. I suppose as long as the legal requirements are met with regards to the Twitter ToS and everything follows the UOS ToS then its all good.
     
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    Has there been a Jeff producer's letter yet? I remember one was in the works.
     
  45. goldenpower

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    if you are uncomfortable with people re-tweeting you and posting your tweets you should not tweet in the first place. don't forget they are all being saved by the Library of Congress and will be available forever.
     
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    LOL No-one can read my tweets unless I allow it. Geeze is congress is doing that then they are really dumb. Mind you, the more I hear about whats going on in the US the more I see freedom fading away but thats off topic so eh yeah.
     
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