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[News]A Question of Loyalty.

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  2. smip

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    Loyalty points link is not working...
     
  3. omgmir

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    Hunter's Guide and Atlas are the only links that work.
     
  4. Petra Fyde

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    Doh! sorry, I'll fix it.
     
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    Looks good. Thank you for your effort.
     
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    Very nice work :)
     
  7. Tina Small

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    Petra, sometime this weekend I'm going to try to make a list of the Ter Mur/Tomb of Kings/Underworld/Abyss critters that are not on the loyalty points list and get the information on how many points they yield and, if they spawn outside those areas, confirm if you get loyalty points for killing them in areas that you wouldn't normally consider to fall under the control/influence of the Gargoyle Queen. The posted list was made fairly early after the expansion and I'm pretty sure it has a few gaps.

    I think I've found a character or two I can use that haven't already maxed out their Gargoyle Queen loyalty points. LOL I'll PM you if I come up with anything new to add to the page.

    One edit you can probably make now is to show that the Noble range seems to cap out at 15,000 points.

    I'm anxious to find out who/what else is going to have its own loyalty point "system." I guess we'll find out in due time.

    Edited to add:

    Petra, would it make sense to try to include loyalty point info in the Hunter's Guide description of a monster?

    Also, these are the other critters that I think need to be checked for how many loyalty points they yield, if any:

    - Abyssal Abomination
    - Abysmal Infernal
    - Acid Elemental [Renowned]
    - Acid Slug
    - Ancient Lich [Renowned]
    - Archdemon
    - Battle Chicken Lizard
    - Bloodworm
    - Chicken Lizard
    - Clan Chitter Assistant
    - Clan Chitter Chieftain
    - Clan Chitter Tinker
    - Clan Ribbon Chieftain
    - Clan Ribbon Plague Rat
    - Clan Ribbon Supplicant
    - Clan Scratch Chieftain
    - Clan Scratch Henchrat
    - Clan Scratch Savage Wolf
    - Clan Scratch Scrounger
    - Clockwork Scorpion
    - Devourer of Souls[Renowned]
    - Dragon Wolf
    - Dream Wraith
    - Effete Putrid Gargoyle
    - Efette Undead Gargoyle
    - Enslaved Gray Goblin (may be 8 points)
    - Enslaved Green Goblin
    - Enslaved Goblin Alchemist
    - Enslaved Goblin Keeper
    - Enslaved Goblin Mage
    - Enslaved Goblin Scout
    - Faery [Renowned]
    - Fairy Dragon
    - Fire Daemon
    - Fire Daemon [Renowned]
    - Fire Elemental [Renowned]
    - Forgotten Servant
    - Gargoyle Pet
    - Gargoyle Shade
    - Gray Goblin Keeper
    - Gray Goblin Mage
    - Gray Goblin Mage [Renowned]
    - Greater Poison Elemental
    - Green Goblin
    - Green Goblin Alchemist
    - Green Goblin Alchemist [Renowned]
    - Green Goblin Scout
    - Gremlin
    - High Plains Boura
    - Iron Beetle
    - Kepetch
    - Lava Elemental
    - Leather Wolf
    - Maddening Horror
    - Medusa
    - Mimic (?? Did this make it into final publish? I only remember seeing it in beta.)
    - Navrey Night-eyes
    - Niprailem The Thief
    - Pit Fiend
    - Primevil Lich
    - Putrid Undead Gargoyle
    - Putrid Undead Guardian
    - Rotworm
    - Ruddy Boura
    - Sentinel Spider
    - Shadow Dweller
    - Skeletal Dragon [Renowned]
    - Skeletal Lich
    - Slasher of Veils
    - Stygian Dragon
    - Tangling Roots
    - Treefellow Guardian
    - Undead Gargoyle
    - Undead Guardian
    - Usagralem Ballem
    - Vasanord
    - Wolf Spider

    And the other two renowned in the Cavern of the Discarded (Raktavi?) and any other renowned's not already listed in the Hunter's Guide.

    - Wight
    - Wyvern [Renowned]
     
  8. Petra Fyde

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    Thank you Tina :). I'll edit that in, and look forward to hearing from you.
     
  9. Tina Small

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    Petra, I modified my last post to add a "to do" list. Hopefully other people will pitch in with gathering the loyalty point info and perhaps in the process help gather more info for the Hunter's Guide. As long as that list has gotten, I think it might still be missing a couple of critters. I also keep meaning to ask you whether or not you can use more readings on any of those creatures to help come up with minimums, maximums, and averages and/or to add notes about special characteristics of various critters.
     
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    any and all help gratefully received. I'll look at putting loyalty points in, tomorrow though, sleepy now.
     
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    Looks good! Well done all.
     
  12. Tina Small

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    Here's a preliminary list of stuff in the Underworld. Didn't have the time or desire to check on Navrey and see if you gain loyalty points from killing her. Maybe someone else that's been living in her den can provide such information.

    0 Loyalty Points
    Acid Slugs (Underworld)
    Blood Elemental (Underworld) (Need to double check this. Died and GD killed it along with a bunch of wolf spiders while I was rezzing.)
    Bone Mage/Skeletal Mage (Underworld)
    Greater Poison Elemental (Underworld)
    Kraken (Underworld)
    Lich (Underworld)
    Rotting Corpse (Underworld)
    Sentinel Spider (Underworld)
    Skeleton (Underworld)
    Slime (Underworld)
    Shade/Spectre/Wraith (Underworld)
    Tangling Roots (Underworld)

    5 Loyalty Points
    Gremlin (Underworld)
    Silver Serpents (Overland Ter Mur. Need to confirm the ones in Tomb of Kings, Abyss, Deceit and T2A)
    Wolf Spider (Underworld)

    8 Loyalty Points
    Gray Goblin (Underworld)
    Green Goblin (Underworld)

    10 Loyalty Points
    Gray Goblin Keeper (Underworld)
    Gray Goblin Mage (Underworld)
    Green Goblin Alchemist (Underworld)
    Green Goblin Scout (Underworld)
    Lowland Boura (Overland Ter Mur)
    Rotworm (Underworld)

    15 Loyalty Points
    Bloodworm (Underworld)
    High Plains Boura (Overland Ter Mur)

    20 Loyalty Points
    Iron Beetle (Underworld)

    75 Loyalty Points
    Navrey Night Eyes (Underworld) (This still needs to be confirmed.)


    Also, some info for the Hunter's Guide:

    Greater Poison Elemental (A couple of consecutive readings.)
    686 hits
    664/185/567 str/dex/int
    138.0 barding difficulty
    68% / 20% / 27% / 100% / 45% resists
    10% physical and 90% poison damage, with 12-18 base damage
    79.7 / 87.9 / 97.9 / 3.8 / 118.0 / 95.6 / 108.7 / 103.3 skills

    679 hits
    695 / 197/ 633 str/dex/int
    139.5 barding difficulty
    64% / 24% / 29% / 100% / 47% resists
    84.0 / 98.7 / 101.5 / 9.4 / 105.1 / 103.6 / 116.4 / 106.8 skills

    751 hits
    769 / 195 / 631 str/dex/int
    142.4 barding difficulty
    63% / 22% / 24% / 100% / 44%
    71.4 / 99.9 / 102.4 / 4.6 / 112.5 / 97.8 / 110.7 / 103.2 skills

    679 hits
    692 / 184 / 602 str/dex/int
    138.0 barding difficulty
    69% / 29% / 26% / 100% / 48%
    79.4 / 80.6 / 98.2 / 14.9 / 106.1 / 101.7 / 104.9 / 104.4 skills

    Loot includes about 1175-1300 gold, 4 nightshade, 1 lesser poison potion, 1 4th-7th circle magery spell scroll, 6 magic items, ancient pottery fragment or tattered remnant of an ancient scroll.
     
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    Silver Serpent (overland) - 5
    High Plains Boura - 15
    Lowland Boura - 10

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    These are the only ones on my list that aren't repeats of old information.

    Chicken Lizard - 0 plus a negative karma hit
     
  14. Petra Fyde

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    Xena Dragon has kindly added a field to the database for me. I'll get these entered in it asap.
     
  15. Yes, you do gain from Navrey. I may be wrong on this, but I'm thinking it was 75 points per. I could be remembering wrong on that though.
     
  16. Tina Small

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    I added Guido's and Connor's info to the listing above just to try to keep things tidy.
     
  17. Petra Fyde

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    Thank you.
    Terry keeps asking me how to fight Navrey, but I'm too big a coward to try it :D. Shall I send him in with his samurai? Has no necro though.
    I think I've just about caught up with you now. Just the Navrey entry to do.
     
  18. Tina Small

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    Petra, from the little bit I've read about this latest set of quests, it sounds as if perhaps the devs are gearing up to expand the loyalty systems. I read the info on the Atlantic Roleplay Community Boards (http://www.atlanticcommunityboard.com/forum/viewtopic.php?p=165042#165042) and it sounds as if Dawn and Minax might be new entities that will demand loyalty. I've been thinking for quite a while now that the faction changes under discussion, if and when implemented, could add at least two other entities as well for characters in factions.

    The Publish 60 notes seemed to indicate you can do things to lose loyalty, as well as be able to gain in loyalty. (Being able to lose in loyalty makes sense if they set things up so you can only gain in loyalty to one entity at a time and therefore need to decrease loyalty you built up with another party.) I'm guessing too that because they added the fame/karma info to the same page, stuff you do to gain or lose in loyalty could also result in karma/fame gains and losses.

    I suspect you'll eventually have to modify the page on loyalty systems or add an intro page and additional pages for each entity. You may also need to eventually add loyalty info to pages about quests. Not sure there's anything to do at this point other than think about how to lay it out if that happens.

    Will try to post additional info tonight for the Gargoyle Queen loyalty system. Gotta run.

    Edited to add: Forgot to provide a link to this post in the Factions forum. Not sure it helps or just muddies the waters a bit more:

    http://vboards.stratics.com/showpost.php?p=1672657&postcount=8.

    And the reply from Phoenix:

    http://vboards.stratics.com/showpost.php?p=1673539&postcount=9.
     
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    Yes, I agree. I've already realised I need to add the loyalty information to those quest pages linked from the loyalty page. Hopefully later today. (also realised I gotta go lore some iron beetles). :D
     
  20. Tina Small

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    Guido, I'm not getting any loyalty points from Silver Serpents and now that I think about it, don't think I ever have. If it's not too much trouble, can you check again?
     
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    Here's the Gargoyle Queen Loyalty Point info for most of the monsters/creatures you can find above ground in Ter Mur or inside of the Tomb of Kings:

    0 Loyalty Points
    Blistering, Fiery or Searing Gargoyle
    Chicken Lizard
    Cursed Metallic Knight
    Cursed Metallic Mage
    Effete Putrid Gargoyle
    Effete Undead Gargoyle
    Fire Daemon
    Gargoyle Shade
    Giant Spider
    Giant Black Widow
    Headless
    Healer
    Lava Serpent
    Lava Snake
    Mongbat
    Putrid Undead Guardian
    Ruddy Boura
    Sand Vortex
    Silver Serpents
    Spectral Armor
    Undead Guardian

    3 Loyalty Points
    Korpre
    Ortanord

    5 Loyalty Points
    Trapdoor Spider

    10 Loyalty Points
    Anlorzen
    Anzuanord
    Betballem
    Kepetch
    Lowland Boura

    15 Loyalty Points
    High Plains Boura
    Putrid Undead Gargoyle
    Skree
    Slith

    20 Loyalty Points
    Anlorlem
    Ballem
    Lava Elemental
    Raptor
    Relanord
    Stone Slith

    25 Loyalty Points
    Kepetch Ambusher

    30 Loyalty Points
    Toxic Slith

    50 Loyalty Points
    Anlorvaglem

    75 Loyalty Points
    Niporailem the Thief

    (I think a few void creatures are missing. I couldn't find all of the various types.)
     
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    I can confirm that I no longer get loyalty points from the overland silver serpents - I'm fairly certain that I'd of not recorded it if I hadn't before, though. At 12.7k loyalty currently, I haven't really paid much attention to it lately :)

    Literally just checked, just outside the Tomb of Kings area.
     
  23. Petra Fyde

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    Looks like there have been some changes since the original list. I have Ortanord at 5 points. I haven't been editing the 0 points creatures. I guess I should.

    I've never heard of a 'cursed metallic knight' or 'cursed metallic mage' and I didn't know there was spectral armor in Ter Mur. Where do they spawn please?
     
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    Petra, I'll double check on the Ortanords. I was just listing the 0-point creatures to save someone else from having to check on them. There are a couple of other mobs on the original list that seem like they have had a change in their loyalty point reward value.

    The cursed metallic knights, cursed metallic mages, and spectral armor are monsters that Niporailem summons. If you stand too close to Niporailem, he makes "funny money" (i.e., piles of gold) appear in your backpack. I think they're always for the same amount (273 gold or something like that??) but I can't recall what it is or if it has a different name. These piles of gold eventually turn into treasure sand, with each sand pile weighing 25 stones. If you drop the gold on the ground before it turns into a pile of treasure sand, it spawns one of the cursed metallic knights or cursed metallic mages (I'm not sure if it spawns the spectral armor too). If you're standing at a distance and fighting with a pet, I think Niporailem may also try to load it up with funny gold but perhaps it bounces off automatically and lands on the ground. All I know is that pretty soon your pet is surrounded with the cursed metallic knights, cursed metallic mages, and spectral armor.

    The cursed metallic knights and mages appear in different colors that I assume indicate the metal they are made of (e.g., pink, green, blue). I've never taken the time to lore them and see if one color of knight or mage differs in stats, resists, and skills from another color, but I wouldn't be surprised if they do. I'm usually engaged in a mostly fruitless attempt to keep my pet alive with spell casting because standing close enough to heal with bandages is tricky, to say the least. Healing from a distance with spells doesn't work so well on a character with about 40 meditation skill and who doesn't have maxed out MR and LMC because its owner (me) is too cheap/lazy to beef up the suit. My pet always dies 3-4 times by the time we completely clobber Niporailem. We start out in the big open area and slowly retreat down the last narrow hallway with each death, with area peacing keeping the tamer alive while trying to position the pet away from walls and hoping a rez attempt is successful. The pet usually ends up killing Niporailem and company by the time we've retreated to the south end of the long hallway that parallels the main corridor of the Tomb of Kings.

    I don't think the knights and mages are all that tough. There are usually just too many of them for me to really do that good of a job keeping the pet focused on killing them and also avoid getting too close with the tamer and becoming overloaded with Niporailem's "gifts." Niporailem can be soloed by a tamer but from what I've experienced so far using tamers with luck on their suits in the 400-800 range, the loot just isn't worth the time or the pet deaths.

    When we first encountered Niporailem during the SA beta, the loot he dropped was phenomenal and there was no extra spawn or treasure sand. I thought for sure he'd end up being the new "swoop" and heavily camped. At this point though, I kind of suspect he's being passed over for other opportunities. I don't know how difficult he is to take on solo with a dexxer or a mage. My guess is that you might end up having your character's feet glued to the ground from carrying too much weight and/or being overwhelmed by the spawn. But then again with the potion-chugging scripts some people use these days, maybe none of that is really an issue.
     
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    Someone has left a 'comment' on the hunter's guide page suggesting filling your bag with 125 light items, but hasn't actually tried it.
     
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