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Nice. The Housing Moratorium Outlasts the IDOC period. Instant recipe for disaster

Discussion in 'UHall' started by Prince Caspian, Jan 30, 2011.

  1. Lemme tell ya a tale....

    The other day I was roving around with my Ninja and found a large vacant space. I placed a small keep. I always wanted to place a Castle in Ultima Online... but this was close enough!

    So natch, it condemned by 16x17 I placed in Malas during the ol' Age of Shadows rush.

    Wandering my new abode, I realized that the layout and the drab look was a far cry from my carefully customized, colorful abode I left behind. I decided that the extra 500 storage space didn't make up for the non-customizable, blah look. So I went back to my old house and tried to set it to my Main.

    The option was greyed out.

    Oh, so it's like that? I went and dropped the new Keep, hoping that would restore my ownership.

    Nope. In fact, what that ended up doing is putting me over a barrel. Now I had a house chock full of items that was going to fall in 5-6 days, yet the moratorium for placing a new house (since I just placed today) is SEVEN days.

    So I was screwed -- I was gonna lose pretty much all the possessions I couldnt stuff into a bank box.

    That is UTTER BULLSPIT. Anyone with a MODICUM of intelligence programming this game should have foreseen this kind of a problem. No house in this game will stand seven days after being condemned.

    Anyway, I started to see what I could do. I created a trial account, and tried to use him as a medium to hold the house. No luck there (trial characters cant own) but I didn't think it would. At this point, I had to rely on the infamously abysmal "Help" option, which took two hours to give the same thing it ALWAYS gives (a link and a KTHXBYE).

    However, in this case, the link did lay it down on the table, pretty plain: EA will not, under any circumstances, overturn a condemned status.

    Sooo... it was at this point that I realized how deep in the kim chee I was. I started buying up Tokuno ships and making Ship Storage Farms.

    Fortunately, one of my guild bros let me borrow space in his castle, so in the end, I didn't lose that much. In fact I got rid of a lot of crap I was hoarding that was never going to increase in value.

    But the point of this story is, I REALLY think there needs to be at LEAST a three hour window where you can change your mind about new housing.

    I expect a lot of "Well you shoulda been more careful, foolio" replies to this post, or pointed scorn about how the grace period would be abused. And many of us are jaded because of idiots in this game using exploits that make us use draconian game mechanics... but I gotta tell you, this is incredibly short sighted. The moriatorium should NEVER outlast the IDOC period. We CAN change our minds as human beings.

    But for the time being, PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE remember, folks. If for ANY reason you don't like your new house, for the love of God, DO NOT DEMOLISH IT!! Because then you will be screwed with a house fall you cannot stop and you will lose whatever you can't scramble and salvage. On the upside, I bet it would make an IDOC'ers day...
     
  2. Deaol

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    This is nothing old.. before you placed that keep you should have maybe visited the Castle and Homes section. This issue has been talked about time and time again.

    The only real way you could save your 16x17 or whatever would be to have a second account accept the house in trade, wait the 7 days and than transfer back to your main.
     
  3. Re: Nice. The Housing Moratorium Outlasts the IDOC period. Instant recipe for disaste

    But if you do not already have an established second account (with no house), nothing will save you, not even creating a new one.

    I know the moritarium is there to stop people from placing housing as a ploy or for doublestorage, but I don't think granting a one day window to change your mind would be too much to ask.
     
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    Re: Nice. The Housing Moratorium Outlasts the IDOC period. Instant recipe for disaste

    Did you see if any friend had a empty account you could borrow and transfer the house to that account for the time being??
    Even though you are under a seven day hold you can transfer the house to another account there fore stopping your loss.
    But I do agree with you the system is no longer needed to be so long, I would amend it to a 3 day span wise. Seven days is a bit much if a player does exactly what you did. Make a mistake. In hinde sight the house decay should have been taken into consideration on this issue poping up.
    This amendment to the houseing system was made in a time when it was sorely needed to control misuse of house placement.
     
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    Simple solution is to create as many trial accounts as needed to hold all your items as they last 14 days ;)


    Thunderz
     
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    Re: Nice. The Housing Moratorium Outlasts the IDOC period. Instant recipe for disaste

    Not 100% certain but i think that it re-sets itself at next server up. So if you only have 1 house on the account it becomes your main again but you still get the 1 week time-out before trying to place again.
     
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    Hate to tell you this BUT

    place a keep, yes your old house is condemned, only way to save is to trade to another acct or trusted friend, then trade back

    MORE worrying, one hour after to you placed the keep you can demolish as it looks like you did, you are FREE to place again the warning comes up, but you can place through the warning you will NEVER be without a house with no hope of saving your things, like someone said above, ASK FOR HELP

    you have plenty of time to solve this problem during the idoc cycle

    but there is no problem with the game in this instance
     
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    Re: Nice. The Housing Moratorium Outlasts the IDOC period. Instant recipe for disaste

    In before the rant lock.
     
  9. Re: Nice. The Housing Moratorium Outlasts the IDOC period. Instant recipe for disaste

    :lol: ... okay ...

    ...

    *passes small box*
    Please to find within a pair of glasses for future use.
    They might correct any future needs re:
    shortsightedness ...


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    In your post you said you went back to your custom house and tried to "set it to your main" Was this another of your accounts? If so, i know theres been a bug where high seas accounts / non upgraded accounts cant transfer. Not sure if its been fixed or not, but something to consider.
     
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    I think the housing rules are archaic anymore, they really need to renew them. House condemning should be revertible if you remove the other home that put the first in condemn status. Keep a replacement penalty (7 days, as it stands, is ridiculous).

    It's such a hassle for no real reason other than time wasting.

    I'd really like to see accounts just given a set plot number allowance and that can be divided up freely based on what the player wants. Of course, that doesn't make financial sense unless they add increased plot token to the code store.../wink
     
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    Re: Nice. The Housing Moratorium Outlasts the IDOC period. Instant recipe for disaste

    You condemned your old house by placing a new one, then decided "Perhaps there is some takeback option that has never been talked about anywhere but still exists for some reason! TIME TO DEMOLISH MY ONLY UNCONDEMNED HOUSE!"

    User error.
     
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    Re: Nice. The Housing Moratorium Outlasts the IDOC period. Instant recipe for disaste

    And there's the matter of the gump coming up explaining that to you when you placed the keep, that you had to click thru. I get it on accounts that don't even have a house!
    I have, recently in fact, placed a house, and then demo'd it, and been able to transfer an existing house to that account. Why? Well, because the account no longer owned a house. Now if I had been trying to place again, I would have gotten a message wanting me to wait one hour between placings...never understood why that was necessary.
    But yeah, you should have had a friend that could have taken the existing house, let you demo the keep, then given it back to you, intact. That scenario has worked for me many times.
     
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    like jack flash says u can def place even though u dropped the keep..its onloy a 1 hour timer...

    so place another one in malas and move ya stuff??? jeeze.......housing rules arent that bad...

    oh....lol.... and wow..... peeps actually own smaller houses than 1818s in malas....how weird......darn right strange....i guess u are atlantic ...no other reason for owning less than a max storage house.

    serouisly though keeps rock...awesome layout,,,**** all over any customed house imo.
     
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    Wow not only do you make garbage posts to inflate your ego but you are quite the feminine hygiene product.
     
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    This!
     
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    If you never remember another UO housing rule remember this one:


    NEVER PLACE A HOUSE ON AN ACCOUNT THAT ALREADY OWNS A HOUSE UNLESS YOU ARE 100% CERTAIN YOU ARE PREPARED TO MOVE TO THE NEW HOUSE.

    If you DO place a new house on an account that already owns a house there is no way to get around the seven day timer to place again.

    Better to have two accounts, just pay the 2nd one every 90 days, and use the 2nd house for new house placement.

    For the cost of $4.33 a month you won't have this issue.


    I think even if you were to move all your items to packys/banks/beetles/boats and drop your first house you'd still have to wait the 7 days to place again.

    Or maybe not.

    The housing server might need 12+ hours to update your account to homeless status and allow you to place again IF you did drop your first house.

    Only try this if you can't find another way to save your stuff.

    Or, call EA and ask them to stop the decay of your first house.

    They did it for a Luna vendor house owner on Pac who placed a 2nd house and sold it for a million and his first house kept decaying because he broke the rules.

    Sorry if I repeated anyone I didn't read all posts.
     
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    trial accounts cannot hold a house unfortunately
     
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    Unless it has been changed in a patch recently it has been my experience that the only way you can place within the 7 day timer is if you use the resizeing method to drop your house. If you use demolish I have found that I get stuck behind the 7 day timer before I can place again.
     
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    You read it wrong buddy, i said make as many trial accounts as you need to hold all your stuff

    i.e. noob account 5 chars 125 bank 125 beetle 125 backpack = 1875 items and millions of stone in items :)

    Not houses.


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    The housing rules are terrible. It's not 2002 anymore. The game isn't overrun with players who can't find a suitable placement spot. In fact, house is available on every shard, and houses fall every day. I'd like to see a return to the old days where each character could own a house, one had to use his/her key to lock the door, and failure to open your door meant your house decay began.
     
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    This isn't going to help the OP now, but in case it happens again, as others have stated, the only way to uncondemn the house is to transfer it to a friend (or 2nd account), and have him transfer it back.

    If 2nd account also have a house already, you'll need to do a bit of shuffling. Ie trade houses to remove the condemned status, wait 7 days, trade back.

    Btw, you can also stash your stuff somewhere for a few minutes (stuff em on a boat or with a friend), demolish the condemned house and place a new one immediately. The 7 day timer only counts if you still have a house. If you don't, you can place a plot immediately (it even bypasses the confirmation gump). Once you have replaced the plot, move your stuff back.
     
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    OK this is getting on my nerves now

    YOU ARE WRONG

    If you place a new house, it condemns the old,this is CORRECT. If you dont like the new house, after 1 hour(sometime you can drop straight away) demolish and place again! HOW HARD IS THIS TO UNDERSTAND

    the 7 day timer ONLY applies if you keep the new house

    Ignore the standard warning gump you can place

    THIS IS WHAT I DO ALL THE TIME INGAME

    If you don't like it DROP IT , START AGAIN

    SIMPLE
     
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    ditto!!! jf ,,, really aint hard to understand is it!!!!..u can place /drop/ place/ drop all bloody day............no timer

    u only get 7 day times if u trade for a house...thats buy a house

    maybe in this case the OP bought the keep???? rather than found empty space...quite simply if he had placed a keep yes the old one would have gone into decay but yes he can drop the keep and place...place another 1818 and drop...place a 7x7 and drop...its bloody simple....1 hour timer between only
     
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    I do know that you can place the house, have it appear, and then the warning gump comes up telling you that you will forsake your other houses if you proceed. IF you do not click OK, there is no danger to your houses. I've done this several times just to see if something would fit.

    However, if you do say YES, then the rubicon is crossed. I dropped the Keep not 8 minutes after placing it, and I did not get an option to take back the old house.

    As many people point out in the thread, there is a gump that I probably took far too lightly. That's pretty hard to argue with. Next time I will read the whole thing closely.

    As for people being nasty and derisive... I expected it. It's UHall.

    BUT, I still think this mechanic is silly and needlessly puts your possessions in peril.
     
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    Bascially.
     
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    You can ONLY do that if the account is houseless to start with, sorry.

    As an idocer, and I know you are an idocer as well, I've done this quite often, only with a blank, houseless account.

    There's an hour timer between dropping and replacing or resizing on accounts that own NO house, and if you do it often enough, used to be at least, you'd get no placement warning gump when placing, click to check placement and you've placed the house.

    That is why I said if he drops the first house (the keep is already gone from what I gather), and he has ZERO houses on his account, then the housing server might reset after 12 hours (or less) and his account would be shown as homeless, allowing him to place again.

    That of course is a desperate measure.

    Trading the house to another account is the easier way to save it, I'd call EA customer service to see if they could stop the decay.

    Resizing or dropping the original house might reset the placement timer, but it will also wipe the access list, which is a real pain.


    Maybe Prince Caspain can settle this by simply waiting to see if the original house refreshes or by trying to place another house on that account.

    BTW using a free trial to hold items until this is resolved is a good plan.
     
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    FYI for everyone, you can get around the trial account thing. It will cost you around $19 dollars but you will be able to take house trades etc right away. You goto the EA site and buy SA which is i think $19 you will then also get a 30 day free pass with that included in that price as well so in reality you could just cancel account before 30 days to not have to pay any account fees but you would still be out ur $19 then. Activating an account this way bypasses any trial mark on the account and you can place, trade homes right away. So basically if you mess up and condem ur home it will cost you $19 if u dont already have a 2nd account or a buddy to transfer the home to. This will save u from having to redesign etc if u had to drop the home and wait to place again as it looks like the op had to do if im not mistaken. Hope this helps some of you if you get caught in this situation. :)
     
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    I was going to do this as the last ditch save. Buy up time on my new trial account and xfer over to him.

    I guess it's obvious from my posts in this thread, but I regret what I did. Not just because it caused me inconvenience, but it made me appreciate what I had. Cair Paravel was a 16x17 plot in a quiet area of Malas, three buildings on a plot -- a villa for my main's "residence..." including a first floor conference room and a second floor library. I had an ivory tower that contained my treasures and item storage. The third building was a red brick workshop for crafting, with a stable below. Finally, i had a fountain in the middle of the courtyard and a "ready room" mini tower for quickly stocking sundries before going into action.

    I can rebuild it, naturally. In fact, one thing I learned from prototyping is the more you build something functional, the more you improve on it.

    I've been playing this game since beta and I still feel that Customizable Housing is one of the best things that ever happened in this game. Aside from the painful lesson about placing, I think I've also learned that all the storage and space in the world isn't worth the ability to design your home base.
     
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    I hear ya, it sucks to have a well decod home and have to redo it. Just to correct you though, i do not think u can add time to a trial account to bypass the trial ie: game time codes etc. Think the only way to bypass when starting a new account is to do the way i mentioned.... Buying SA from the EA.com site which does give you 30 days free time when purchasing. This seems to be the only way to start a new account without having the trial mark on it and will allow you to place homes etc without having to wait.
     
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    How in the hell did you come up with $4.33 per month?

    According to real numbers here... 90 days via the accounbt manager is 34.99 now divide that by 3.. $11 and some change.


     
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    I understand it this way, pay the $12.99 place house and then cancel billing. The acct is suspended after the 30 days, then you run the gauntlet with the house decay timers, after 90 day of non payment the house starts to decay, If you second acct is friended you can check the sign, when it starts to decay, reopen with another $12.99

    thats how she works out the $4 odd dollars per month

    the acct chars are inactive(prob not wanted or used) but you get a cheap house

    Hang on a minute, sounds like a great idea actually:)
     
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    Actually this is where you are WRONG. Check it out by trying to place something on Test if you don't think I'm right but even if you Bought a new account and tried to use it your character has to be 15 days old to place a house.

    Sorry to burst your bubble... but that's an FYI for you.
     
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    Ahhh... ok, i was thinking how in the heck.. but now it makes sense :)

     
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    That's why she said "pay it every 90 days" not "pay for it 3 months at a time". Not sure what gauntlet you would have to run with housing decay timers though... if you do it right (pay the account a week before the 90 days) you should never have to check a house sign to see when it starts decaying. :wall:
     
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    Well I did not mean this to be a suitable option for Prince Caspian's situation of the moment, because your character must be at least 15 days old to place a house, which of course means the account has to have been paid at least once, and also 15 days old.

    This is more of an option for future house placement, or as a backup emergency plan for these types of housing situations.

    Start a free trial account, pay for it on the 14th or 15th day, it is now no longer a FREE trial, it is now a paid acct.

    Make a char on day one, if it's still true the character itself needs to be 15 days old (seems maybe they changed that?).

    On the 15th day with a 15 day old character, place a house, remove billing from that account, you now have a householder account that will stand for about 95 days without paying another dime on the account.

    $12.99 (plus tax for me) divided by 3 months (90-95 days) = $4.33 a month.

    Either keep the householder account for extra storage, or, while it's active, you can drop the house on it and replace elsewhere every hour.

    IF YOU PLACE A NEW HOUSE WHILE THE ORIGINAL HOUSE STILL STANDS, YOU WILL ACTIVATE THE 7 DAY TIMER. (Don't do that!)

    You DO NOT have to activate another free trial to drop a replacement house after 90 days (couldn't anyway with the 15 day wait for new accounts), just pay this householder account about every 90 days if you'd like to keep a storage house on it.

    So that's $4.33 a month, or $12.99 if the account is not active and you need to activate it if you have an emergency and need a spare account to trade a house to.

    If you don't need or want a house on it, don't pay every 90 days.

    It's no longer a trial account once it's been paid for even once.


    Gotta run!



    :)
     
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    The gauntlet is run by players that have one acct and are inactive bu tdont want to play and pay

    i have lsot coutn of the amount of idocs i have done when the player returns to see a space and complain on stratics etc
    some castle owners that should know better

    thats the gauntlet i am talking about

    and to reply to you, yes i understand what she meant, look higher up and you will see another poster questioning the $4.33
     
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    That reminds me, the 15 day no housing timer (and many other restrictions) applies only to the free trial accounts.

    I remember the restrictions do not apply to the 30 day accounts whenever you bought one of the expansions.
     
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    Re: Nice. The Housing Moratorium Outlasts the IDOC period. Instant recipe for disaste

    Well sorry to burst ur bubble i did this to get a house just the other week and it works. EA.com buy SA u get 30 days free time with it with no 15 day or 14 day trial. i know this to be a fact since i did it the other week. I searched for every way to bypass and talked to EA CS and they led me this way which worked . think u doing something wrong or u did not buy SA from the EA.com store....Story is i bought fel yew gate home and had no account to take it so i tried to start a new account which yes gives u a stupid trial period. Called CS and they told me to go to EA.com and buy SA which they thought would bypass it, and it does. Also all i had to do was put in my payment info and was never charged yet for billing since i have a free 30 days with this purchase from the store that came with the game. Mal you may want to try this again :) Bottom line is i bought SA account and got house same day on new account :)