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Ninjitsu Animal Form- Fix it

Discussion in 'UHall' started by Goodmann, Dec 12, 2012.

  1. Goodmann

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    Can we please get a rebalance to the ninjitsu animal form. This is the most ridiculous thing ever created. Everyone runs animal form. Mages with 2/6 casting 18hpregen/pots/focus/mirror image running animal form are insanely hard to fight. The animal form was created 10 years ago and has not adapted over time with the new developments of the game. Can we get some Dev love on this issue :arr:
     
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    Just remove the ability to chug pots in animal form..problem semi solved
     
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  3. Goodmann

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    This is a good solution. I also think the dismount timer to form should be increased
     
  4. Lythos-

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    Respectfully, i have to disagree with this. There are the "assassin" dexer templates that are too squeezed to fit any other form of healing into. True ninja's have already been nerfed beyond belief.

    Hard cap form at fc 0-fcr 0 and extend the dismount timer or even better, tie it into hiding or stealth.
     
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    Ever hear of dismount?
     
  6. Rumpy

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    I think Healing Winds from Myst is way more overpowered. You instantly cure any poison and curses no matter what? Thats whats overpowered.
     
  7. Goodmann

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    i gurantee you can't dismount and kill 2/6 mage with 18hpr/50ep/focus/70dci/mage weapon/casting mirror images before he can run away. Ninjitsu animal form is a crutch that most people take advantage of because it's overpowered. This seriously needs looked at.
     
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  8. cazador

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    I do see your point here...but I think the Mage ninjas are an issue linking it to hiding and stealth would work and increase the timer after dismount but unfortunately it nerfs all stealth dismounters unless they get a bonus for having stealth hiding ninja like a focused Mage has its perks..as well stealthers for damage on death strike need to be looked at as well they shouldn't hit max dmg on death strike with fake skill ie: legs jewls cloak robe..it should be real skill based..that goes for all skills not just them either but that a different topic

    Again I agree but while fighting a stone formed protection winder it is effective to explosion curse feeble clumsy weaken spam it can only heal a certain amount of debuffs I believe..but does need a good looking at
     
  9. Hunters' Moon

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    Another "I can't beat,so devs please nerf it" thread. :popcorn:
     
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  10. Goodmann

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    yeah typically when something is overpowered it needs nerfed
     
  11. cazador

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    I never said I can't beat or haven't lol..so coming from probably another ninja Mage post count boosting hush

    Btw any Mage ninja forming away I consider to be a win..so they can run all they'd like only way to live
     
  12. kelmo

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    Am I missing something here? Can ninjas in animal form cast spells?
     
  13. Goodmann

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    you should try pvping before asking questions
     
  14. Tazar

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    Considering that Kelmo plays on Siege and runs around in Wolf Form a lot... I think he'd know and have good reason to ask the question.
     
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    Running around in wolf form does not indicate that he knows anything about PvP. From first impressions every indication is that he is a grandmaster baker...
     
  16. kelmo

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    My apologies. I did not realize everyone was running this template. I see now it is not casting or specials that bother you. It is that you can not kill this particular template.
     
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  17. Tazar

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    And yet he plays Siege rather than a shard that's 60%+ trammel...
     
  18. Goodmann

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    so your saying he plays a ghost town, wow impressive
     
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    It seems that "feelings" are a tad sensitive in here atm...

    On a side note, almost everyone I pvp against at the moment does indeed run ninja. However I will propose a counter, maybe if being dismounted (sleep-bola-teleport, dismount special move, etc...) and then ganged up on (trash talk that often follows) wasn't such an enjoyable experience... animal form might not feel like such a necessity. Is it overpowered? Ehh, I'm sure we could debate this pretty extensively for both sides.
     
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  20. Tazar

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    I can tell you've not seriously visited Siege... I know of several production shards that appear to have less population.
     
  21. Goodmann

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    you hit the nail on the head, everyone runs it for a reason-OVERPOWERED
     
  22. kelmo

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    Pardon my inexperience in PvP. I do not see many aggressive templates on Siege that use ninja. I use it for escape and surviving. I consider escaping an encounter as a win.

    So ninja animals with mage weapons are overpowered? How so? I am truly curious as to how such a template is run. I could use some tips and examples as to how this template is built and abused.
     
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    Lets rename the thread to "Goodmann is an arrogant know-it-all" so people know hat they're getting into before clicking the thread.
     
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    I could not agree with this more, but doubt it would ever happen. :sad2:
     
  25. kelmo

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    Please. Let's not resort to name calling. I am genuinely curious as to how to build this template and how it works. I am still hoping for a breakdown and some examples.
     
  26. kelmo

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    Is it merely the ability to use potions that pushes this particular ninja template over the top? I know there are several limitations to animal form.
     
  27. Goodmann

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    Mages using 2/6 casting/focus on armor/50ep/mirror images/70dci/18hpregen/Damage eaters/mage weapon makes killing a mage nearly impossible to kill. When animal form was introduced none of these things were around yet with the new changes nothing has been changed. If it's not overpowered why is everyone running it? Of course your view could be altered bc it seems everyone has stealth/ninja on siege.........
     
  28. kelmo

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    Actually very few of the aggressive PvPers use ninja or stealth on Siege. Many of the non combatants use many different methods to survive.

    I am not sure I am smart enough to run a template with that many slashes...
     
  29. Lythos-

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    True ninja mages aren't nearly as much of a threat as the mystic mage pixie slingers with animal form. If you get rid of the items bonus that will pretty much kill ninjas all together. I understand what you're saying but getting rid of item bonus will kill everything from -mage weps, hunters headress down to people that make unique templates. We definately don't need to force more people into the cookie pan. It's just not a simple solution for anyone.

    Lets say you need real skill 50 hiding to do llama/ossie form and 50hiding-50stealth to do wolf form. That way if someone is willing to invest skill points they deserve the ability of a get away imo.
     
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    If dismount wasnt so overpowered the dog form ninja would be a non-issue in pvp.
     
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    OK... So animal form is not killing anyone? It is merely an escape?
     
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    yup, they are pissed that PvP is boiling down to, fight, fight, fight....someone gets low on hp or dismounted, then it's run, mirror image, form, run, run, run, until safe to get back onto mount and get back to fight, then brag about GODLY PvP skills, or lack there of, if you failed to kill them. Rinse and repeat in a nearly endless cycle.
     
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    This is correct. it's only for running away. mainly because you can't cast spells or use weapon specials while in animal form.

    This one of those things that annoy the hell out of people, in pvp land =p. (myself included) I don't even dismount people almost at all anymore...
     
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    It wasn't nearly as bad before. Use to if you dismounted someone they would die but due to full damage eaters, ep,18hpr, healing stones, attunement and whatever other buffs people run it's crazy.

    It really doesn't matter how skilled a person is, it's down right insane to live through 3-4 halfway decent people attacking you.
     
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    Is pvp about the enjoyment of the fight,or simply the looting? Bandies,pots,insurance gold,regs(if carried),pale by compareson to loot found on a swoop or a WW. So what's the goal of PvP? Challenging fights,or looting mundane items off of players?
     
  36. kelmo

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    Trash talking?

    I kid a little bit but that is a damn good question.
     
  37. Good Grief

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    This isn't just a mage issue. Dexxers, throwers, archers, necros, mystics... and so on. I've encountered almost every template with stealth, hiding and ninja added to it. In fact I'd wager that some of the other templates are harder to kill than a mage/ninja.

    Well the other aspect that I didn't see brought up yet is DS. Alot of people are using stealth/hiding/ninja mainly for the 50 point DS hits. Animal form, mirror image, hiding/stealth are just additional bonuses.
     
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    If someone is in stone form, your weaken/curse is ineffective. An no, it just does everything. All the time. Doing Exodus, just spam healing winds and takes all the buffs off everyone. Its way to overpowered