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No more Reds on Siege Perilous...

Discussion in 'UO Siege Perilous' started by OldAsTheHills, Aug 5, 2009.

  1. OldAsTheHills

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    What if you logged on Siege Perilous and all those so friendly
    Reds were colored Blue instead...

    Oh, you know you can still give murder counts to the pker, but
    it just will never turn that pker into a Red tag named player.

    Please, discuss the consequences of if this really happens.

    *stares*
    Yahaxithonix
     
  2. FrejaSP

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    Noooo, never, I love being red and I hate being blue.

    If all was blue, some would fear go anywhere as they would not know who to trust and who to run from.
     
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    i agree, it comes as a great fear to see a red run onto the screen when out and about for us peons.
     
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    Murderers just need to face consequences again... I'd love to see things such as:

    -Murderer's can't enter a private home, regardless of who flagged.
    -Tone down guards, and if entering a town, the guards give chase(Only moving as fast as an average monster, and doing the damage of about an earth ele)
    -Stat/Skill Loss....Not a lot, maybe 3pts per death, distributed among the skills.
    -Financial Woes, aka, Red healers are now devious men, and charge you a fine of say, 25k? To rez you.


    I don't want all of these, and these are just loose ideas.
     
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    Well it would end some new players here whom finally become a RED their braggin posting rights. :) YA know we see it from time to time someone FINALLY makes their chr. RED and they just have to post HERE, that they are now a red and we are to FEAR THEM. I chuckle and think ...um I did that back in the day in 98 I had reds....you just now made one ??? UR SUCH A NOOB ! HEHE !
    :)

    Personally I think it would just CONFUSE folks whom are somehow ingrained trained that IF they see a RED name they must hide or flee or kiss their arses goodbye when they see a RED name on Siege. And then some BLUE kills em and they get all confused. Personally I wish Richard Garriott would have come up with some better system of *recognition* than mere red blue hue to discern whom may be playing approaching us, evil or good or whatever, than the simplistic blue red hues alone in Ultima Online.

    There are folks that RUN FLEE from every red name they see, and it is silly really...they should go by *guild tags* *players reps* something anything else besides a players hue alone. When I came here I was told about KSS, and VMP...and many a KSS chr. name was also RED. I seen folks new here flee from a Py Lethius just as often as they would flee from a WyRm name in red... like Ummmmmmmmmmmmmmmm ?? HUE ALONE should never be some indicator of the *outcome* of encountering anyone in this game !

    And as a CRAFTER here IF I fled every red hued name here I would never sell or make them a darn thing. I have NEVER and I say it again NEVER been pkd by anyone here playing a MURDERER when they were in business transactions at some bank with my crafters....I may make what they need...if I fled...every time I seen a RED name...when they may only be needing an arcane robe I may make or wanting their armor repaired or ordering up goza mats to fill their keep where would I be if I FLED REDs on Siege ??

    THEY are all to be potential customers, I am a crafter here...if they are NOT in some business transaction wanting or asking for me to make em something...then chances are maybe....they might pk my chrs...OR NOT. I usually find out rather rapidly though if they are in customer mode or pk mode when they see my chrs. per given encounters. :) Same with blue hued names I encounter here, just cuz they sport *blue hue* does not mean they are not gonna pk ya either esp. on Siege.

    Hues of other players here are meaningless to ...my own self here. I could care less if someone is red or blue here...I go by their *rep* above all else here. But I do wish Richard Garriott would have come up with some other system besides *hue* to rightfully judge better or to discern auto recognition of players approaching any of us in game.
     
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    So, that six to eight steps away warning is enough?!

    Many pkers just stealth up to you and do Death Strike and you die, because...
    well you know.

    Does the Red tag name prevent interplay <meaning talking> with other blue
    tag players?

    *stares*
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    It was never enough *warning* for me when a WyRm or a Krystal when she was sporting her bow .........I'd be DEAD before their red names really seemed to come into view enough. :) So red or not I just learned that those two names be names I would try to HIDE FROM while standing still, a quivering mass of jello, just hoping they maybe not find me. :)
     
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    I did read your post... the color tag is flawed and meaningless. So, it would
    not hurt to remove it is your opinion.

    Thank you for your reply.

    *stares*
    Yahaxithonix
     
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    Suppose a number of murder counts appear on the name tag instead of color?

    *stares*
    Yahaxithonix
     
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    How many people on Siege Perilous noticed that the warning you are being attack only
    appears after you are damaged or clicked upon with a stream of macroed actions?

    Is this ok...?

    *stares*
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    Better bring back the old Siege rule, Reds can't kick/ban in a more uptodate version.
    1. Reds can't kick/ban from a house
    2. A red will reset the ban list when he entre a house he is friended too
    3. Houses can't be made private on Siege
    4. Teleporters can only be anyone secure

    Reds don't want to fight npc's but maybe reds should only be allowed in Factions towns and keep them without guards.

    Do you love to train skills, I don't. Being red should not only be an options for powergamers training their char with a script when they sleep.
    Stat/skill loss do not belong on Siege, Siege was born without it, Blue PK's should not have more advantage than they already have on Siege.
    Why should a red pay to get a rez and have to kill stupid monsters to earn money to next dead?

    All this ideas sucks, sorry
     
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    Wnat's the diff, why not keep the red color and stop turning Siege into Trammel
     
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    You know something... I thought the best way to play a vampire was to have
    a blue tag with exactly four murder counts... and turn red only after feasting.
    Also, must wait until the fifth murder count goes away before doing it again.

    Just a thought.

    Would not know who to trust...that is happening now...there are alot of hiding
    players.

    *stares*
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    Just nerf Stealth on Siege, make players visible again.

    Getting closer than 5 tiles to someone should unhide a stealther blue as well as red. If aggressor, stealth should be more difficult and you would have a bigger chance to fail.
     
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    I have not played on any TEST shards in a year or more but there have been times on Test shards where one can see the *kill count* of others in game. I do not know if this was only something faction orientated or not on *testshards* but the moment you would see names anyone's names it always showed their *kill count* and oft one would see that MORE than any hue they may have had.

    It would be nice if there was a way for KILL COUNT to show instead of hue but then kill count may not really be any indication of anything either when one thinks on it. Kill counts may mean *innocents slain* or warring or faction counts in the totals, or justice knights gone red killing blue murderers getting *counted* by player killin blues etc.

    I just wish there was some sort of better system, that showed KILL COUNTS for (killing innocents) that is not RED BLUE BS hues *ONLY* as some criteria for judging our encounters with other players of...any hues on Siege or any fel. ruleset.

    Aye I feel the *color hue* system as implemented is nothing but flawed from the get go back to when UO was created.

    I think if all hues were the same though it would hurt new arrivals here whom just have it so ingrained into their mindset that RED means EVIL BAD they are dead and somehow blue equates with GOOD or innocent harmless to them, or that they are safe around any and all *blue hues* which here or any fel ruleset they we are NOT safe from either, cuz someone may be *blue* PK.

    And anyone that just relies upon, BLUE RED hues alone...is probably asking to be DEAD a lot from blue pks in a fel ruleset, cuz they exist too !
     
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    To me, the red/blue system is something you can't remove from UO without destroying the game and no, I had been blue 2 times, both times, EA made me blue against my will.

    Being red sure show me who to trust, as red, all can attack me, blue as well as red.

    As blue, you can never trust a blue, he may attack you the moment you of some reason go grey but a red who once acted as a friend won't care about your color.

    I think you should make a red char and try life as red before you try to changes the game for reds.

    Sorry, but there is some parts of UO that need to stay
     
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    There is no Trammel !

    I would lose a lot if everything was Blue... how strange...!

    But, I am hearing stuff... about reducing the time on murder counts...
    Like RoT, people want to get rid of the counts...it is weird on SP.
    Apparently, some people want to talk to their victums before the kill.

    Beware the Blue mask...

    *stares*
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    I not asking for change...

    *stares*
    Yahaxithonix
     
  19. shipwrek

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    The color (or a floating murder count) is meaningless, more so on SP. Those that strive to be red seem to like it though.

    Does EA have some kind of committee that meets each release to discuss how to make the game less enjoyable or something?
     
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    More and more the guards are going away on Siege Perilous...

    The problem continues in the trust game...Blue pkers equal Red pkers.
    Blue non-pkers are unknowns. So, there is your trust. Trust occurs only over time.
    YEARS.

    *stares*
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  21. FrejaSP

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    I do offen speak with my victims before I attack, not all do run the moment they see a red.

    I like my victims to know, that I may kill them, I like the fear in their "eyes"

    I better stop posting in this thread because this idea really make me angry.
     
  22. OldAsTheHills

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    Ninjitsu requires Stealth to stay as is...

    Auto reveal destroys many templates.

    It is strange...that when I am not hidden or stealthing... the pkers are, vica versa.

    *stares*
    Yahaxithonix
     
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    I not yet met a red outside of the NEW guildhouse that ever talked first.
    I think some people want to get rid of their murder counts so they can have the protection,
    or appearance of being a trusting Blue, so as to get closer to their next kill.

    *stares*
    Yahaxithonix
     
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    i soooo agree with Freja on this one!

    give us back the old siege house rules !
     
  25. Duke SP

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    I really don't know to much about the game yet but i'm learning but i for one love SP after 2 years of WoW.:thumbsup:
     
  26. FrejaSP

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    You say "Trust occurs only over time. YEARS."

    I don't agree in this. Some people, I just know I can trust from first time I meet them, others I never will trust, no matter how much they try to make me trust them.

    About the colors, Tina Tink had a blue customer in her shop. He was always nice and friendly.

    Then a day Tina went grey in front of him from killing a tamed animal or a blue npc.

    This guy now show his real color and killed Tina, he was a blue PK, a noto PK.

    In the past we had several kind of blue PK's, EV PK's as killing with EV or othe field spells would not flag you and before we got long term counts, a blue PK would macro of the counts at night as it only took 8 hours a count.

    It was bad, even if you was blue, everyone you did not know would fear you.
     
  27. FrejaSP

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    Maybe you always start running, that will make a murderer insta attack you, even me.

    I had meet alot reds on Tina, who did not just attack me, some never attacked me. As shop owner I had to face my customers and take orders and some customers was red.

    Some would kill me and then rez me with a smile without looting anything.

    My mom always said, if you fear a dog, it will attack you, think that count for PK's too :)

    With the mood I'm in right now, I fear I would attack you even in NEW house so I better not go there :p
     
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    AW SHEESH Freja ya just reminded me of the very first time I was pkd back in the day behind the healer hut in Delucia on Chesapeake. I was like a day old, seen all them cows back there... I figured...good I will raise my newbie swords skill on them. Well someone forgot to inform me *MY SON* that tamed cows killin is some federal offense in UO, that can get you GRAY that will give some one else some excuse to kill you ! :)

    I STILL L@@K at every cow briefly 11 yrs later, before I make it a dead critter cuz if it is someone's tamed pet cow...no beef riblets for my beetle from THAT COW while it is BLUE ! HAHA LIVE AND LEARN haha I think that was like 98 when Delucia was also ...........NEW ! haha
     
  29. Mr X

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    I have a quick question. If I delete my character to start him over and be blue can I still use my soulstones for that character? I just wanted to know in case I ever caught a case of pussyitis and wanted to go blue. :thumbsup:
     
  30. Hugibear

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    From lookin at your characters it seems you already have a case of that. Maybe some day your balls will drop and you willl play a character that doesnt have hide/stealth or taming. Oh yeah you can still use your soulstones but make sure to put them in your bankbox tho.
     
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    You have ran hide/stealth forever.. I'm pretty sure you caught pussyitis long long ago...
     
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    If any skills are above 100, you will need new PS to get the skills back from the stone
     
  33. Ole Cheapy

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    Ask yourself this and i think it will settle this idea once and for all....

    If you were out on your crafter and had lets say 1k val ignots on you and a BLUE Cheapsuit came running over the hill in your direction, would you stick around for conversation?
     
  34. Mr X

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    I got hugibear who likes to run naked except for his blessed wep and bo who is a stealther himself and kage, a blue telling me I have no balls. Irony overload is at critical levels, these forums might not be able to take it much longer....
     
  35. Rykus

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    Not in my experience. I really only see this kind of reaction from you, to be honest. As I said in another post a week or so ago, easily 90% of the people I've PK'd over the years realize I was RPing, and did not loot their corpse, so they would stick around to converse. Only very rarely did someone refuse a rez initially, and after I explained to them that I was seeking only very specific items, of which they did not carry, OR I was hunting for life force (the RP kind, not faction kind), they typically came around, and RPd back with me.

    The reality of things, from my perspective, is that the color of one's UO skin matter far more to you, than just about anyone else. I have wondered many times why you bother to play here when you refuse to interact with a very large segment of the population. It seems like a Trammel ruleset, where 'REDs' aren't allowed, would suit you far better than here.
     
  36. Black magick

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    aka trammel? I agree with Rykus' last post as well.
     
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    If you were out on your crafter and had lets say 1k val ignots on you and a BLUE Cheapsuit came running over the hill in your direction, would you stick around for conversation?


    *giggles* I WOULD no matter what peculiar hue ya may be at the time ...........but then I have yet to be killed by you on Siege so I am feeling GYPED like you just do not like me ya never yet killed me. :( whoa is me. HAHA ;) I try to converse with everyone although some FLEE from my conversing since I talk even more IN GAME than I post in any post. :)

    Course be cold day in hell that I would just have 1k of val. ingots just sitting on me like some foo' .... NOT !
     
  38. Hugibear

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    I runs better gear than your entire guild put together. As for Bo, I saw him today he is playing a mage. Time for you to go back to being a has been and/or a never will be. Keep talking it is obvious you are so blinded by hate you didnt take a minute to look at the characters you are **** talkin. If you would like since i run naked why dont you put your gold where your mouth is, no tamers tho.
     
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    Not so... what I was saying in the other post about disguise kits showing you as blue, was so that the disguise actually works! Imagine if I could wear a disguise and play a character... chopping wood in the forest as a BLUE hue, baiting a PK'er for a fight, or just being able to go to town to interact without the reputation of the name and the hue.

    Stealth gets me close enough to my victims, no need to wear a blue Hue for that.

    As far as getting rid of the murder count, yes, there are benefits to both hues, and some I cannot enjoy at the moment, like being able to start a champ spawn. I suppose I need to get down and stay down around 4 kills so I can choose if I want to be able to start spawns or use virtues that week. My wanting to be blue periodically has nothing to do with protection.
     
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    Why not just turn everyone grey like the animals and monsters? The only place hue matters is in guard zone.

    Maybe forensics should be the only way to tell who is a murderer, and in time, you will remember who is who and treat them accordingly.
     
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    No, ...I have history with a Red named Cheapsuit.
    I would be in stealth mode. I have no reason to meet you. I doubt I would
    ever outside of town with 1k valorite ingots.
    You do not know me... so you have no reason to talk to me. There is no
    interplay expected.

    *stares*
    Yahaxithonix
     
  42. Rykus

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    So, what exactly is the point of this thread?
     
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    I sure you will get there...what is the hurry?

    *stares*
    Yahaxithonix
     
  44. i always thought it would be cool if you could wear a disguise kit and turn your new name blue while its on
     
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    The guards zone are slowly going away...I have noticed some of the moongates
    guardzones are gone.
    Once the guards are gone...color tags will have less meaning.

    Yes, Forensics is for someone else to determine who was the murderer of
    a corpse on the ground. The victum already knows.

    What you think I should treat them accordingly?

    By the way, I not for any changes dealing with the color tags. I curious if
    there are some who do want it.

    *stares*
    Yahaxithonix
     
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    I have noticed several Reds losing there murder counts for the reasons
    that Nightstalker noted.
    Once, the strategy occurs that the majority of Reds are actually Blues with
    only four murder counts.
    Further more, Nightstalker wanted to have murder counts go away faster.
    There may still be some Reds on SP with murder counts in the thousands, but
    if all the other Pkers are Blue+4 then it be almost the same as if there was
    no more Reds on Siege Perilous.

    So, advantage goes to those Blue+4's.

    *stares*
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    I think Old was not asking for any changes but to merely get some conversation going about what IF the color system was gone on Siege and every one WAS labeled blues *or reds* ie one hue primarily...save for faction oranges gray and green allies.. and I think it would just create even more confusion for new arrivals to Siege.

    So if for some reason the hue system would vanish, it may add to utter chaotic confusion for some newer players coming here...fleeing everyone BLUE cuz they would not be able to know, till they ARE here awhile, which blue names are pks or not...if none were RED at all here any longer.

    It all would make players even less likely to ever try Siege, cuz they would say how do we tell then who is a *murderer* or not, if every one is BLUES on Siege, they would say no thanks that Siege is too confusing to try at all.

    While it matters not to myself, whom has whatever hues here, it is the only system or criteria they gave us to use in UO, for someone to judge or decide whether or not any player *may be attacked* by them.. or not, or whether they should hide or flee or not...at/from the mere sight of someone's approaching character's hue...flawed as it is. I do not see them changing the system though.
     
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    And I think some of em loose their counts so they can have the best of both worlds, they can be pks but BLUES keep or remain blue and so they can yet still enjoy the frivolities of buying some things from those npcs too. They some of em are a they want their cake and eat it too sorts. :)
     
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    Yahaxithonix... Did you just use an alacrity scroll in trolling? *crooked grin*
     
  50. nightstalker22

    nightstalker22 Lore Master
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    Isn't the bank box deleted with the character? Are you intentionally giving bad advice? :p

    Keep the soul stones in the house or even at a trusted friends house, they are account bound, not character bound, as the bank box is. Everything in the bank box gets deleted with the character.