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Now that we can see fame, will the Hunter Guide be updated with this info?

Discussion in 'UHall' started by DarkScripture, Jul 1, 2010.

  1. Now that we can see fame, will the Hunter Guide be updated with this info? I got to wondering which creature would be best for me to slay based on my slayer collection and was wondering about the value of each kill.
     
  2. Stupid Miner

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    We can't directly see fame.
    so... not unless someone collects the data.
     
  3. Nyses

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    How was the original Data aquired? Anyone know? Did Origin actually release the info?
     
  4. Stupid Miner

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    yep, they stopped after SE.
     
  5. Nyses

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    Well then, Would it be safe to assume that, at the point you can no longer gain fame or karma from a creature, you could check your loyalty tab and see the precise level of either fame or karma, depending on which one you had maxxed out?

    And would we have to check just the monsters in the tram ruleset, as fel gives 30% more fame?

    Also assume you are only killing that one type of monster repeatedly, or if different monster types mixed, you would still be very accurate if careful when watching your fame/karma messages.

    Or can anyone see a reason this would or would not work?
     
  6. Stupid Miner

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    Oh, you can calculate it just fine, someone else posted a formula.

    Only problem is it's really tedious and few people would be willing to gather the info.
     
  7. Nexus

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    Yes I see a reason, multiple monsters, animals, etc with the same Fame and Karma levels. You'd never be able to ensure you hadn't missed something unless you remembered to dump your fame and karma and do the creatures one at a time.
     
  8. Sevin0oo0

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    with a goblin slayer, i find it best to do the goblin spawn. 2-3 cycles, you'll be max'd
     
  9. G.v.P

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    It's not that tedious, but we'd have to find that thread again.

    And someone would have to bump it.
     
  10. Stupid Miner

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    If it's not tedious feel free to collect. :)
     
  11. G.v.P

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    Hehe I did collect a little bit :) I may collect some more. I mean, you check fame/karma, you kill, you check, and you round.

    Hard part is having a char that isn't max karma/fame at the time, hehe.
     
  12. Stupid Miner

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    Use sacrifice to get rid of it.
     
  13. Mapper

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    I suggested this to Petra a while ago, But there are just too many monsters/animals in UO to begin a 'project' to collect it.

    It's a neat idea, But one hell of a time consuming task!
     
  14. Beastmaster

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    Someone give me a list of all mobs that we DON'T have data for and I'll be happy to start filling it in. But if I have to visit each page in the hunter's guide to figure out which ones we need, well I doubt I'll do it.
     
  15. Stupid Miner

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    Will get on that soon. You can just send the info to me *has shiny new Hunter's Guide editing powers* :D
     
  16. Petra Fyde

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    I'm afraid I'm guilty of neglecting this.
    Please forgive me. My eyes glaze over when folk mention the word 'formula'.
     
  17. I am collecting this info as I have time... even just trying to find time in real life at the moment to play UO is a real challenge. I've got a spreadsheet with most of the monsters that don't have stats and added the data GVP posted. When I get the spreadsheet almost finished, I'll send it to Petra Fyde.

    What I have already:
    Changeling, Cu Sidhe, Dryad, Satyr, Gremlin, Acid Slug, Bloodworm, Chicken Lizzard, Swoop

    What I need:
    Bake, Centaur, all creatures from Crystal Dungeon, Dark Guardian, Dark Wisp, Fan Dancer, Feral Treefellow, Greater Dragon, Hiryu, Hydra, Insane Dryad, Interred Grizzle (Peerless and Non-Peerless), Kappa, Kaze Kemono, Lady of the Snow, Lesser Hiryu, Mantra Effervescence, Minotaur, Minotaur Captain, Minotaur Scout, Rai-Ju, Reptalon, Revenant Lion, Rune Beetle, Skittering Hopper, Troglodyte, Wanderer of the Void, Whipping Vine, Yamandon, Yomotsu Elder, Yomotsu Priest, Yomotsu Warrior

    If you want to help but don't want to calculate the fame, reset your fame/karma (or make sure it is where you can gain/lose fame/karma) then kill at least 3 creatures of one type, record your fame/karma before and after each kill. There is some rounding error so the more you kill the better. Then send or post the data and I will add it to my spreadsheet.

    If there is a better way I will be more than glad to pass on the info I've already collected, and the formula for calculating fame/karma.
     
  18. Beastmaster

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    I've got most of these done Old Man. I don't do peerless solo so I haven't gotten any of those.

    Still waiting on that list Stupid Miner.
     
  19. Beastmaster

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    Code:
    acid slug	1000
    bake kitsune	8000
    bloodworm	10000
    changeling	15000
    chicken lizard	300
    cu sidhe	20000
    dark guardian   8000
    dark wisp       15000
    dryad         	7000
    elite ninja	8500
    fan dancer	8900
    fire beetle	4000
    fire demon	15000
    greater dragon  22000
    gremlin       	1500
    hiryu  	        18000
    insane dryad	7000
    interred grizzle11000
    kappa	        1700
    kaze kemono	8000
    Lady Lissith	18900
    lady of the snow15000
    Lady Sabrix	18900
    lava elemental	12500
    lesser hiryu	10000
    minotaur     	11000
    minotaur scout	12000
    oni     	12000
    Rai-ju         	8000
    reptalon	20000
    revenant lion	4000
    ronin          	8500
    rotworm      	1500
    rune beetle	15000
    satyr          	12000
    Spite          	21000
    swoop        	18000
    toxic slith	7000
    troglodyte	11000
    tsuki wolf	8500
    yamandon	22000
    yomotsu elder	12000
    yomotsu priest	9000
    yomotsu warrior	4200
    
     
  20. G.v.P

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    centaur (three kills) // +31, +30, +30 fame
    ~6,500 fame // (6,528; 6,459; 6,489; Good amount of Fame)
    From 3,428 fame to 3,519 fame after three kills
    Karma 553 to 553 -- no change

    a paragon centaur is around ~9,000 Fame // (9019, 9074)

    hydra (one kill; colossus works great) // (22073 fame, 21964 karma)
    ~22,000 fame and karma

    whipping vine (one kill) // at 3673 fame / 407 karma
    407->4013 (+6) ~1,000 karma // (1,007)
    no change to fame

    remaining (??): feral treefellow, mantra effervescence, minotaur captain, skittering hopper, wanderer of the void, -- then I assume? -- monstrous interred grizzle,
    illhenir the stained, crystal daemon, crystal elemental, crystal hydra, crystal lattice seeker, crystal sea serpent, crystal vortex, crystal wisp, unfrozen (caveman lawyer) mummy, the other dudes with the mummies, shimmering effusion.

    By the way, not sure if you guys tested it yet, but a summoned Daemon made me lose "a lot of karma," went from 553 to 478 (-75) ... that would suggest ~(7,000) karma (-6947, -6922, -6996)

    Okay, I give up on my Internet connection :s
     
  21. Fink

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    Bless you, Fyde. :heart:
     
  22. Beastmaster

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    There are alot more than that left. I started compiling a list last night but I stopped after running through all the animals and monsters from the left margin of the hunters guide. There's still alot of new stuff from SA, most of the named monsters, peerless, champs, etc.
     
  23. G.v.P

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    Ah... was going off Old Man's post and your update of what he had listed as being left :)
     
  24. Beastmaster

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    Here's the list I'm starting work on:
    Code:
    bane dragon   18000
    corporeal brume
    corrosive slime
    crystal daemon
    crystal hydra
    crystal lattice seeker
    crystal sea serpent
    crystal vortex
    crystal wisp
    deathwatch beetle
    deathwatch beetle hatchling
    feral treefellow
    ferret
    fetid essence
    fire rabbit
    gaman
    hydra
    leviathan
    mantra effervescence
    minotaur captain
    pestilent bandage
    raging grizzly bear
    skeletal drake   22500
    skittering hopper
    unfrozen mummy
    wanderer of the void
    
    I probably won't get any of these in champs or peerless areas very soon. So if anyone else does those areas please chime in. Make sure you record your starting and ending fame. Also make sure you are the only one doing damage. Even when other mobs do damage it detracts from your fame, ie. if you kill a changeling but a nearby dryad hits it with one spell you'll only get half the fame.
     
  25. G.v.P

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    We should set up a Chessie Twisted Glade Champ run (I think you're on Ches?)
     
  26. Stupid Miner

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    Will try to get these numbers up later today, as long as I don't forget.

    And me forgetting is actually a very high probability scenario.
     
  27. Beastmaster

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    I'd love to. That's one of the best champs for bards, provo/disco. Lots of bards make it go a lot faster. Not sure when I can do it. I'm busy trying to expel my 3rd kidney stone this year. Being able to sit upright long enough to catch up here is a miracle in itself. :stretcher:
     
  28. Beastmaster

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    Here's the most complete list I can come up with for missing fame numbers. Beware it is LONG. Also just an fyi, renowneds give the same fame as nonrenowneds.

    Code:
    Abscess 
    abyssal abomination
    Abyssal Infernal
    anlorlem
    anlorvaglem
    anlorzen
    anzuanord
    archdemon
    ballem
    battle chicken lizard
    betballem
    black order assassin
    black order high executioner
    black order mage
    black order thief
    Chief Paroxysmus
    Chiikkaha the Toothed         13000
    clan chitter assistant
    clan chitter chieftain
    clan chitter tinker
    clan ribbon chieftain
    clan ribbon courtier
    clan ribbon plague rat
    clan ribbon supplicant
    clan scratch chieftain
    clan scratch henchrat
    clan scratch savage wolf
    clan scratch scrounger
    clockwork scorpion
    Coil 
    coral snake
    corporeal brume
    corrosive slime
    crystal daemon
    crystal hydra
    crystal lattice seeker
    crystal sea serpent
    crystal vortex
    crystal wisp
    deathwatch beetle
    deathwatch beetle hatchling
    dragon wolf
    Dread Horn 
    dream wraith
    effete putrid gargoyle 
    effete undead gargoyle 
    enraged earth elemental
    enslaved goblin alchemist 
    enslaved goblin keeper 
    enslaved goblin mage 
    enslaved goblin scout 
    enslaved gray goblin 
    enslaved green goblin 
    fairy dragon                    15000
    feral treefellow
    ferret
    fetid essence
    fire ant
    fire rabbit
    Flurry 
    forgotten servant             24000
    gaman
    gargoyle shade
    Gnaw 
    gray goblin
    gray goblin keeper
    gray goblin mage
    greater poison elemental
    green goblin
    green goblin alchemist
    green goblin scout
    Grim 
    Grobu 
    guardian
    Guile 
    high plains boura          5000
    homunculus
    hydra
    Ilhenir the Stained 
    Irk 
    iron beetle                  15000
    kepetch
    kepetch ambusher
    korpre
    Lady Jennifyr 
    Lady Marai 
    Lady Melisande
    leather wolf                  4500
    leviathan
    lowland boura               3500
    Lurg 
    maddening horror
    Malefic 
    mantra effervescence
    Master Jonath 
    Master Mikael 
    Master Theophilus 
    Medusa
    Meraktus the Tormented 
    mercenary
    Miasma 
    Mimic
    minotaur captain
    Mistral 
    Monstrous Interred Grizzle 
    Moug-Guur 
    Navrey Night-eyes 
    Niporailem The Thief 
    noble
    ortanord
    pestilent bandage
    pit fiend
    priest of mondain
    Primeval Lich
    protector
    putrid undead gargoyle   23000
    putrid undead guardian 
    Putrifier 
    Pyre 
    raging grizzly bear
    raptor                            7500
    Red Death 
    relanord
    Rend 
    ruddy boura                    2500
    Saliva 
    seeker of adventure
    Sentinel Spider               18900
    Serado the Awakened
    shadow dweller
    Shimmering Effusion
    Silk 
    Sir Patrick 
    skeletal lich
    skittering hopper
    skree
    Slasher of Veils
    slith                        3000
    stone slith                4000
    Stygian Dragon
    Szavetra 
    Tangle 
    tangling roots
    Tempest 
    Thrasher 
    tormented minotaur
    trap door spider
    Travesty 
    treefellow guardian    10000
    Twaulo of the Glade 
    undead gargoyle 
    undead guardian
    unfrozen mummy
    usagralem ballem
    vasanord
    Virulent 
    vollem
    wanderer of the void
    wight 
    wolf spider
    
     
  29. Beastmaster

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    Put in results for about a dozen.
     
  30. Petra Fyde

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    oki, caught up with you :)
     
  31. Beastmaster

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    2 dozen more

    Code:
    anlorlem	2000
    anlorzen	1800
    anzuanord	1800
    ballem	2000
    betballem	1500
    deathwatch beetle	1500
    deathwatch beetle hatchling	700
    effete putrid gargoyle 	3000
    effete undead gargoyle 	500
    gaman	2000
    gargoyle shade	2500
    gray goblin	10000
    gray goblin keeper	15000
    gray goblin mage	15000
    green goblin	10000
    green goblin alchemist	15000
    green goblin scout	15000
    kepetch	6000
    skittering hopper	300
    skree	2000
    tangling roots	3000
    trap door spider	2000
    undead guardian	3000
    wolf spider	5000
    
    Check it out folks. Those underworld goblins are a FAST source of fame for you fame farmers.
     
  32. G.v.P

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    I seem to recall the mini-champ goblins also being some fast fame (and possibly the easiest mini-champs hehe)
     
  33. Beastmaster

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    Yep. I didn't get to check the more difficult ones in both colors, my fame was already getting too high to gain from the easier ones and none had spawned. I found 1 each of the one color from the previous round stuck behind the cliff and got those.

    Code:
    enslaved goblin mage 	15000
    enslaved goblin scout 	15000
    enslaved gray goblin 	10000
    enslaved green goblin 	10000
    wanderer of the void	20000
    
    I expect these 2, enslaved goblin alchemist and enslaved goblin keeper will be 15000 as well, but I'll confirm when I can.
     
  34. Beastmaster

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    More data

    Code:
    clan ribbon courtier	6000
    clan ribbon plague rat	300
    clan ribbon supplicant	7500
    clan scratch henchrat	4000
    clan scratch savage wolf	1000
    clan scratch scrounger	1500
    clockwork scorpion	2000
    coral snake	5000
    corrosive slime	300
    enslaved goblin alchemist 	15000
    enslaved goblin keeper 	15000
    fire ant	5000
    korpre	500
    ortanord	400
    relanord	2000
    
    The supplicants and courtiers are backwards from what they should be IMO, but that's how they are.
     
  35. Beastmaster

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    Code:
    Coil 	17500
    hydra	22000
    Thrasher 	22400
    black order assassin	13000
    black order mage	13000
    
     
  36. Beastmaster

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    Code:
    Lady Marai     18200
    Master Mikael     18200
    Red Death     28000
    skeletal lich     15000
    Master Jonath     18200
    Sir Patrick     18200
    Lady Jennifyr     18200
    black order high executioner	25000
    black order thief	13000
    
     
  37. Beastmaster

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    Code:
    anlorvaglem	2500
    clan chitter tinker	6000
    crystal daemon	10000
    crystal lattice seeker	18000
    crystal sea serpent	7500
    crystal wisp	10000
    Gnaw     17500
    kepetch ambusher	2500
    mercenary	1000
    miasma	21000
    minotaur captain	13000
    protector	13000
    Silk 	18900
    unfrozen mummy	12500
    
     
  38. Basara

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    When you all are done with that, wanna help figure out the fame from BODs? rolleyes:

    Using your formula, what would the fame level be for the following

    cloth 4-part 20 normal LBOD

    Gained 49 fame from each one, going from 13,179 fame to 13,816 over a series of turn-ins.


    Cloth 5-part Ex 20 LBOD

    Turned in 2, starting at 13,816 fame.
    each gave 121 fame.
     
  39. Petra Fyde

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    anlorvaglem is only 2500?
    I would have expected that one to be a little higher.
    Where did you find 'mercenary' please? The database has them listed as 'extinct'
     
  40. G.v.P

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    13,179 to 13,228, assumed, ~18,000 fame


    13,816 to 13,937, assumed ~26,000 fame


    The formula is (fame gain * 100 ) + original fame, and was discovered by user Old Man of UO. For example, 13,816 to 13,937 is a difference of 121, as you stated, so the formula is (121*100) + 13,816, or 12,100 + 13,816, which equals 25,916. In this case, we round up to ~26,000, which would be further supported by the difference between 13,937 and 14,058 (which results in 26,037).
     
  41. Beastmaster

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    Yep that one surprised me as well as the kepetch ambusher. The regular kepetch is 6000 I believe and the ambusher is far more deadly.

    As for the mercenary. I found that quite by accident. I had taken my character to the edge of town on a suicide mission. Stripped down to save insurance and began attacking an npc just outside of town. I was trying to lower fame so I could continue testing. I had been a knight of sacrifice for over a week and it just wouldn't drop. Anyway, each death causes you to lose 10% of your current fame. So I just kept doing it over and over, running to the nearby healer for a res. At one point an invulnerable noble standing at the edge of town shouted 'guards!' Two mercenaries appeared. One was blue to me and the other gray. They were both sorry shots with their bows and would take 4 or 5 shots each before one would kill me, even though I only had ressed hit points and no armor. When I was done with the fame loss thingy I re-equipped myself and wasted the gray one for its fame.
     
  42. Beastmaster

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    Code:
    greater poison elemental	18500
    Guile	21000
    maddening horror	23000
    Malefic	21000
    Moug-Guur 	13000
    putrid undead guardian 	3000
    Virulent	21000
    
     
  43. Petra Fyde

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    *catches up*
    Thank you!!
     
  44. Beastmaster

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    The *LIST* is down to under 75 mobs now. However my list of doable mobs for me is down to about a dozen. That means I'm going to need help to proceed much further. The majority left are champ spawn related or peerless. I doubt we will ever get accurate numbers on peerless or champ bosses since it usually requires a party to bring them down and getting everyone in the group to check their fame just before and just after the kill isn't likely to happen.
     
  45. Petra Fyde

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    Thank you for all you've done. It's much appreciated. :)