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oaks is on the side of bane?

Discussion in 'UHall' started by Alvinho, Mar 18, 2011.

  1. Alvinho

    Alvinho Great Lakes Forever!
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    i just killed lord oaks and on a totally neutral character i lost loyalty to the ophidians and gained on bane for killing lord oaks
     
  2. GalenKnighthawke

    GalenKnighthawke Grand Poobah
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    I've killed Oaks since the scenario began, and have not gained or lost loyalty on any side.

    Bug?

    UO is legendary for many things, one of them is one-off bugs/glitches that appear for no obvious reason and are never replicated.

    -Galen's player
     
  3. Alvinho

    Alvinho Great Lakes Forever!
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    there was a group of 8 of us in ilshnar that just done him and we all got the bane plus and negative ophidian, what bothers me more is my character has remained completely neutral as he is not choosing sides but this just forced his neutrality in one direction to not get back to complete neutrality
     
  4. Vlaude

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    Confirming.

    I killed Oaks a few nights back and noticed the same thing.
     
  5. Tina Small

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    Thanks for the heads up! I've got a ton of characters I've also kept out of the fight because it seemed so utterly pointless. Would've been most annoyed to have this happen unexpectedly.
     
  6. GalenKnighthawke

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    Any way you can check your Meer loyalty too?

    -Galen's player
     
  7. Alvinho

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    bane loyalty +2(neutral) meer -4 (enemy)
     
  8. GalenKnighthawke

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    Well crap.

    Fictionally it's totally inexplicable.

    I would hazard a guess that they based a monster on Oaks that will be used in the climactic events of the event cycle and screwed up when they turned points on?

    But that of course is just a guess.

    It must be fairly recent as I have fought Oaks in Ilshenar (on a character with Bane loyalty but not too much), and did not gain from it.

    I suppose I might've just not noticed.

    -Galen's player
     
  9. sablestorm

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    It might be an unintentional bug, but it makes perfect sense to me. My herders have led Oak's army of Ki Rin and Unicorns against the Bane in an effort to drive them from this part of Ilshenar. The battles were hard fought. If you slay Oaks, it would seem to me you are aren't a friend of the virtuous creatures who inhabit the region. Thus you gain Bane Loyalty and lose loyalty to the allied races.
     
  10. GalenKnighthawke

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    *chuckles*

    True; you aren't the only herder who did so either.

    I'd like, though, to think if it was intended they'd have at least dropped a hint. ("Creatures nearby to the Bane Chosen's Camp in Spirituality, Ilshenar have taken sides in the war! Be careful what you kill!")

    -Galen's player
     
  11. Uvtha

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    I'm sure its a bug (because they never make cool/simple choices like this) but man it would be fantastic if they were actually giving some personality to the champs. So many big evils have been around with zero back story, and zero involvement in world events. I would love it if they were actually involved in stuff.
     
  12. GalenKnighthawke

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    I just realized the original poster's subject line is incorrect.....If he gained Bane Chosen loyalty for killing Oaks, it means that Oaks is against the Chosen and they want him harmed.

    Which, if intended, would make RP sense for sure; I still maintain, though, that if they'd intended it they should have at least dropped a hint.

    -Galen's player
     
  13. Tina Small

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    After helping to do an Oaks on Siege this morning, my newbie tamer that previously had no loyalty to any except a smigeon for the Gargoyle Queen, ended up with +1 loyalty (Neutral) for the Bane Chosen and -1 loyalty (Enemy) for the Meer.
     
  14. BeefSupreme

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    Wouldn't it be cool that if instead of this being a bug, that at the final battle of magincia all champs and peerless choose sides and fought there too?
     
  15. Raptor85

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    seems like all ethy warriors (oaks included) are giving bane loyalte and -meer loyalty
     
  16. GalenKnighthawke

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    Maybe it would be.

    But then Oaks should be against the Bane, not for.

    Remember, Oaks is Fey; Fey and Demon are opposite slayers, and Virtuebane is a demon (though I doubt that Demon slayers work, seeing as how I'm pretty sure Virtuebane's played directly by the EMs at least some of the time). Also remember that the Bane are negative karma and Oaks is positive karma.

    And a whole host of reasons why, if this is intended, the sides are opposite of what they logically should be.

    -Galen's player
     
  17. GalenKnighthawke

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    Oh wait, the subject line is correct.

    Grr....I'm confusing myself now!

    *sighs*

    -Galen's player
     
  18. Raptor85

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    oaks is on the side of the meer and ophids, you gain bane loyalty by killing him just like you would killing the ophids or meer outside during the invasions.
     
  19. Mesanna

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    Hello everyone,

    This is a bug and it will be fixed.

    Mesanna
     
  20. GalenKnighthawke

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    Many thanks for the clarification.

    -Galen's player
     
  21. Uvtha

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    *sigh*
     
  22. Tina Small

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    Is there much chance at all that you'll provide us with a way to fix the problem on characters that we were trying to keep neutral--a solution that doesn't put us deeper in the hole on one side or the other? Or are we just screwed and will have to live with characters being enemies to the Meers over, in my character's case, ONE STINKING POINT?
     
  23. Alvinho

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    What about those who stayed neutral with 0,0 loyalty everywhere, will they be reset to 0, sucks that a bug will cause a certain faction to attack on sight because of a bug

    Tina beat me to it lol!
     
  24. Nimuaq

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    I want to add that there is absolutely no way of returning to 0 loyalty towards both sides by killing creatures with the current system of "1x loyalty gain for one side = 3x loyalty lost for other side" (which was intended that way, but its not good for players who accidentally gained/lost loyalty points).