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Ok help a moron out guys.

Discussion in 'UHall' started by Prince Caspian, May 19, 2008.

  1. I've been playing UO since it came out.

    There's a lot I know about this game. There's still a lot I don't know about this game.

    One of the things I'm just gonna bring out into the open, as embarrassing as it is for me to admit.

    People talk all the time about soloing a peerless with a fighter. For the life of me, I still don't see how this is possible. I mean, you guys could not possibly have better armor than me (I'm all 70s) yet I get shredded within seconds of going toe-to-toe with them. I am using EoO and have 100% DI, and the proper slayer weapon, and it still takes me a long time to whittle down a super tough baddie.

    For example, I had a night reaper, and a demon bezzie behind a fence. I worked him for 2 quivers worth of crossbow bolts before he died. That is the only time I can honestly say I soloed a demon bezerker and it took me over 10 minutes to do. I really wanna hear how you can take one down, alone, in like 2 minutes like people around here boast.

    In other words, help a brutha out. How do you do it? How do you weather 200-hp-to-70s-resist hits and dispatch such garganutan damage? I'm all ears.

    For those of you who say "well, because you suck!" All I can say is, well, tell me how it's done, son. Then we'll see if you are truly qualified to make that statement.
  2. Omnicron

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    Sampires my friend. Its about the template and weapon. Be in Vamp form and have a temp along these lines...

    120 weapon
    120 bushido
    120 parry
    70 tactics
    95 healing
    65 chiv
    35 necro
    95 anatomy

    Also have a nice weapon that you can parry without a shield with and it has to have high mana leech minimum.

    That should get you started good sir, and you rnot a moron, just not informed.
  3. My titular main has 120 in:

    • Tactics
    • Archery
    • Chivalry
    • Anatomy
    • Healing
    • Resist Spells

    I was a bit surprised to find out that my Ninja (without any anatomy) is dishing out just as much damage... and while in Cat form he's virtually invunerable because he is healing up as fast as he's damaged.

    Hm. Maybe it is that bushy and parry that I'm missing....
  4. Revenant2

    Revenant2 Guest

    The chars that solo peerless are using exactly the right kind of fighter with just the right kind of gear and weapons. It's much, much more than resists and it's not that any template can do it.

    And to clarify, when I say solo it, I don't mean use tricks in the peerless room to trap the monster, or dual clienting, or something like logging out in the middle of it. I mean really taking one guy in there and working the peerless until it's dead.

    It can be very touchy. On Dreadhorn, I've seen a fighter who 'solo's' it regularly simply try a different weapon, one which on the surface looked right, and fail so often as to declare the new weapon a failed experiment. It was just a weapon change, all the other gear and the technique was still there.

    Each peerless is different, and different templates work best against the different peerless. Lady M seems best when taken down by tamers and mages, specialized dexers can do well at Dreadhorn, Paroxymus can be reportedly solod by a great dexer (and I note that you're running an archer, if any one peerless could be kilt by a single archer, maybe it would be that one). I've been told of great dexers and great tamers with the right pets being able to solo grizzled.

    The details on how to solo these things are long enough to form the contents of an online book, as opposed with exist in a messageboard thread...

    I might suggest that you find the people on your shard who are soloing these things and explain that you want to do it too, and ask to join them so that you can learn from them.
  5. Omnicron

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    that temp i mentioned is all about NOT GETTING HIT. And in vamp form everytime you hit the monster you leech life.

    BUshy and parry give you max chance to dodge blocks, also they can use lightning strike.

    imo Resist is worthless in PvM. 120 chiv is worthless.

    But again its what most people are running these days.
  6. Revenant2

    Revenant2 Guest

    Parry has no effect on archery.

    The template posted by Omnicron of:

    120 weapon
    120 bushido
    120 parry
    70 tactics
    95 healing
    65 chiv
    35 necro
    95 anatomy

    is one form of a MELEE dexer template that can solo peerless (IE: not archer). All of the dexer, peerless-soloing templates I've seen have been swords, fence, or mace based, not archery. The succesful peerless templates resemble this one, but will have variation in the gear, weapon, and technique that depends upon the exact template structure being used.

    For example, some people kill dread while in vamp form using a mana leech weapon, some do it in wraith form with their necro and spirit speak being a real part of the template and using a life leech weapon on top of curse weap. And there's much more detail to getting it done than anyone will be willing to put into a post.

    The suggestion to buddy up with in-game with the people who do it stands. If you really wanted to try archer, maybe they will tell you that Paroxy could perhaps be done that way, but you might want to be prepared to make a melee guy.
  7. Amber Moon

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    Heh. Had to look it up. Thank you.

    Stay in school kids. From the spelling and grammar around it doesn't seem to be working, but you never know, some could stick.

  8. Well I can't speak on peerless, I haven't even traveled to all the ML dungeons yet. But I can clue you in on the Berserkers, Mystic or Vanq weapons do alot of damage, probably more than the reaper. I use a Vanq bow, with 110 arch, 100 tacts, and some damage jewels and primer on arms and cast EoO, I've killed atleast 50 berserkers and it takes me between 100-200 arrows to kill one, and anywhere from 5-15 minutes. Just kind of varies. Most of the damage being done is hidden, but you'll see a more correct number of the damage being done on the kill shot. I'm sure if I had anat, bushido, and higher skill I could take them down even faster.
  9. Theres a lot of variations but the most common is probably the vampire dexxer.

    This is not a template but skills that help you be at the top:

    Bushido - Perfection, lightning strike, momentum strike.
    Parry (with Bushido) - Counter attack, evasion. (evasion is still very viable)
    Necro only - Vamp form.
    Necro with Spirit speak - Wraith form & curse weapon.
    Ninjitsu - Mirror images, cat/dog forms, sometimes other forms too.
    Chivalry - Enemy of one, consecrate, divine fury, close wounds, cleanse by fire, remove curse.
    Archery - Purely for ranged ability makes suit easier to build but loses out in swing speed (usually) plus other parts like the bushido/parry combinations.

    The - vamp form -
    It depends in part on items, some people have minimum necro for vamp form (35 I think) & carry all the items around with them in case they need to re cast it in the field. I personally always use 90 necro so I only carry the blessed book and a vamp form scroll or insured arcane clothing (arcane clothing lets you cast 1 necro spell per charge and can have 20+ charges - depends on the tailors skill) The vamp form does several things, stamina regen 15, mana regen 3, poisons 1-4 cure themselfs on the first tick and the main purpose 20% life leech. This life leech is calculated differently from hit leech property on weapons in that it is literally 20% of the damage every swing. So if you hit 100 damage you leech 20 life back. Which makes two other things important, hitting at maximum swing 1.25s and hitting for as much damage as possible 300% DI.

    The - weapon -
    Picking the right weapon skill & weapon is also important as you will want to be able to easily reach the swing cap, some skills like fencing reach that easily but lose out on base damage because of it, archery often loses out on speed but has higher damage. There are two weapons which stand out as far as being well balanced in both go and those are diamond maces (macing) & ornate axes (swords). However diamond maces allow you to reach the swing cap at a lower level of stamina and ssi on the weapon, which makes finding the right weapon easier. Ornate axes might be preferable on a template using healing as 140+ dex would benefit both. Though I personally hate the healing skill so never use it. The first place I read about vampire dexxers was on the bushido profession forum, a post by someone called baghdad (sp) who was using bandages/ornate axe and soloing dreadhorn and paroxysmus'. So it's just a matter of preference and availability of weapons.
    Oh theres also the option of archery which has the nice benefit of needing no dci (assuming your good enough at keeping ranged).
    The main thing you need on your weapon on top of this is mana leech.
    Specials, depending on what your attempting to solo are pretty much not needed. On things like shimmering feint is used to half it's damage that requires the wraith version to maintain the mana.

    The - damage -
    First of all taking damage/not dying to high end mobs theres a lot of choices. First of all use an armoured swamp dragon or paroxysmus' swamp dragon. Bushido/parry and using evasion which although has a 20s cooldown is still very handy. Ninjitsu in some situations can also allow you to kill top end stuff. These are mirror images and cat/dog form. You can hop off your mount cast mirror images and get back on your mount, though most of the time thats unnecessary. Mirror images divert melee attacks at the rate of ninjitsu skill - 30. So at 120 skill you will divert 90% of the time. This can allow you to go toe to toe with some of the heaviest hitting monsters in the game, when you sucessfully divert the monsters loses his target and you continue to swing. I liken it to targeted peace but for half the skill points. Cat/dog form have a high hp regen formula which is ninjitsu skill divided by 3. So at 120 thats 40 hp regen (4 hp per second), you can equip 18 and if your human you get another 2 so you could have up to 60 hp regen.
    Using ninjitsu like this does well when coupled with 4/6 casting so you can change forms quickly if needed. Lastly resist spells, a lot of people don't bother with it. I always have 100 minimum for pvm. The only time I don't is on paroxysmus' where I stone it off for anatomy for extra damage.

    Trying to hit 300% DI can include, enemy of one (50), slayer weapon (100), perfection (100), items including weapon (100). Not entirely sure if the items cap in relation to the 300% cap is 100 or not but thats roughly what you need to consider when aiming high. There is no slayer for any of the peerless afaik. Lightning strike can also critical hit, I don't know the details on it's damage. LS also has the handy advantage of giving 50 hci which is why mana leech is necessary on vampire versions. Counter attack helps build/maintain perfection if you have parry to use it and also works like an additional swing between your normal swings. When soloing paroxysmus for example it's very possible to hit well over 400 damage in one swing with the counter attack going off at the same time as a critical hit etc.

    Momentum strike also helps a great deal on the melee versions for things like dark fathers. Bushido has some things that can be toggled on at the same time and some that can't it's a good idea to figure out which can before trying anything too hard. Momentum strike combined with counter attack can take out 8 enemies very quickly and easily keep you alive in the process. Useful in doom & invasions etc.

    Wraith form & curse weapon, curse weapon is 50% life leech that does stack with vamp form but most people play one or the other. I personally see it as a trade off the vamp version gets the mount so takes less damage but leeches less, the wraith version doesn't get the damage reduction mount so takes more but also heals more. The wraith version also requires you to have spirit speak to leech mana and imo is the harder suit to build. Also as your continually using curse weapon in wraith form your karma will affect your chivalry spell duration (if you use chiv on it that is). The wraith version also has a the disadvantage of leeching the opponents mana pool rather than converting damage in to health which to me is a huge disadvantage as some things can't be leeched from and those that do can run out. (e.g. mel can run out, I've never seen shimmering run out) The wraith form version also does well with tactics like spamming whirlwind and can let you tank riddiculous groups of spawn that would normally flatten you.

    Thats pretty much everything, you can build a 4/6 chiv discord bush vamp dexxer, you can build a 4/6 chiv spellweaving vampire bush archer. I've seen many variations, Some combining all of those plus ninjitsu. A lot of it depends on the weapon you can get, having a weapon thats 100% in the right damage type for what your fighting can also save you having to cast consecrate which helps if you have little/no casting on your jewlery when switching between that and bushido moves etc. It helps to know before hand, that paroxysmus for example hits physical and poison only as do the bulbous putrifiers so you can forget fire/cold/energy resist if aiming just to do him and both him and the bulbous are weakest to fire so a 100% fire weapon helps. Invis pots are always useful for getting down there without leading extra stuff. To take out all three bulbous putrifiers before monster ignore wears off level two or higher honor virtue (depending on your wep/damage) is also useful as you don't want to be enemy of one on those while paroxysmus takes a swing at you.

    Probably the easiest to build skills & suit for is the bush/vampire dexxer.

    (sorry for the really long post just a lot I didn't see covered)
  10. Shamus Turlough

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    I have solo'ed dreadhorn a few times with a necro archer:

    120 archery
    120 necro
    100 tactics
    100 anat
    100 heal
    100 spellweaving
    80 chiv

    Takes a ton of arrows, just run circles around him beating him down, eat petals and remove curse for debuffs, drop bow and chug cure pot when he pulls you in. When he gets to about 1/4 life if you have a 5 or 6 focus then you can start word of death and take him the rest of the way down. This is one of many, but its one of the easier DH solo methods.

  11. Wow. :drool: I just learned a lot from reading this post. I also learned why I am scared of PvP. There is SO MUCH I have yet to learn and master just to survive.

    *walks off to fight Mongbats*
  12. Veganite

    Veganite Guest

    Lord Gods post was probably the most usefull post I've ever read.:thumbup:
  13. Shelleybean

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    If the old UO forums get restored, there's an excellent thread in the Samurai forum about templates and equipment for soloing tough monsters, including peerless. There's some good advice about what works and what does not work. A pretty common template is to use a vamp/samurai or a wraith samurai.
  14. "If you really wanted to try archer, maybe they will tell you that Paroxy could perhaps be done that way, but you might want to be prepared to make a melee guy."

    I would strongly reccomend against that. Paroxysmus only teleports you to him if your ranged and he only re targets if a poison tick goes off before it's cured. There is a way of doing it with a mixed group so that no one dies but everyone needs to have the same understanding of it.
    To do that you need one meleer tanking it, any archers need to stand right next to both the paroxysmus & the meleer (there are only 4 tiles which that is the case for). A mage stands directly behind the meleer and does nothing but pre cast arch cure for the whole fight and target the meleer. With that positioning everyone gets cured before any poison ticks hit and the paroxysmus never retargets. The archers could throw additional heals to the meleer though if hes setup right they wouldn't need to. If anyone panics and moves the whole thing will probably fail which is why it's often easier doing it with less numbers. Also the only member of the group with a live mount should be the meleer and if something goes wrong and he dies he should immediately log out so his pet doesn't heal it.

    Oh & if your a meleer and your jousting it and have a hit spell on your weapon that has a delay (magic arrow, fireball) it could teleport you back also.

    Hit spell is a bad idea in paroxysmus & shimmering, also if your using mirror images & don't have the casting/mana to keep them up constantly hit spell can have the monster retarget on you quicker than it would without it. In shimmering small tick damage makes more fetids etc spawn.
  15. Madrid

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    I was in the same boat as you until I read UO Guide about the Daemon Bersekers...

    It's all about the weapon.Berskers are nearly invunerable to everything with the exception of the Mystic, Vanquishing and Power weapons. Thanks to my good friend Magister for lending me his Mystic Heavy Xbow as now I can drop them as fast as they spawn.

    Demon Slayers seems useless against them. Find a good Mystic weapon (I think Archer is the best fit) and you'll be able to take them down without breaking a sweat.

    It took me awhile to figure it out as well... there so much to know in this game thats why having friends or being in a guild helps. You can learn from others..

    I attempted to solo the Dreadhorn on my Vampurai and I got my head handed to me. Full Darkwood Suit (Strenth to withstand DH's weaken attack) and soulseeker. I'm still licking my wounds...;)

    I'm going to go back at the beast with a strong Ornate Axe next time for higher damage and life leech.

    I think the guys that solo peerless are the guys that aren't of failure and they have fun with it and keep mixing it up til they get it right. I'm gonna keep trying...