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Omen para gank - sign on to get it fixed.

Discussion in 'UHall' started by Sid Vacuous, Oct 18, 2008.

  1. Sid Vacuous

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    Is there anything lamer in pvp atm? I don't want to see the spell nerfed in its entirety, just take away its ability to effect resist spells skill.
     
  2. Nexus

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    There's worse....2 stealth archers and a Tamer. Dismount Parablow All Kill......
     
  3. Divster

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    constant disarm i fnd more annoying *prays for a timer*
     
  4. WarUltima

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    It should be changed BUT to change it many other things mustve taken into consideration. Trapped boxes, super speedhacking runner with 120 resist, dismount with archery, archery balanced mod, greater dragons noobie all kill spams, ect ect.

    Out of all the issues we have in PvP omen para is pretty very minor.
     
  5. Dragkiris

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    Anyone who knows how to pvp will not get hit with a omen/para gank. All you have to do is carry afwe magic arrow scrolls and magic arrow yourself after the omen hits. or carry a trapped box. Problem solved.
     
  6. Violence

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    Signed.

    Anyone claiming they can counter Omen/Para is full of ****. I've spent a lot of time pointing out why and in the end I always just give it up 'cuz people eventually turn the arguments into completely personal disputes or have NOTHING real to say. Just wild theories from players who cannot discern a Brigand NPC from a red player.

    Next to be fixed for me:
    - Disarm
    - Dismount
    - Pots
    - Poisoning
    - Archery(Moving Shot among other things)

    Soon to be added:
    - Faction Items: Remove, make unusable against non-Faction players or make available to all
    - The lot of abilities, skills and items SA will add?
     
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    I love it when design of the game is monopolized by the five people at Yew Gate and the four people who play Siege, because PVP Is An Important Part Of The Game(tm) even though it's a fringe minority interest.
     
  8. Shot

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    'fringe minority interest?' Apparently you don't spend much time in Fel, and that's OK, but please, just because you choose not to PvP, don't go spouting nonsense.
     
  9. Shot

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    If it takes 3 people (2 stealthers and a tamer) why the hell do you think it should be nerfed? Seems to me, maybe it needs to be buffed a bit if it takes 3 vs 1 to get the job done. (note: I don't stealth and if I pvp on my tamer it's more often 1 v3 than 3 v 1).
     
  10. Shot

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    - trapped boxes I agree, it's just downright sad that I have to carry an item AND waste 120 skill points to counter one single spell. SOmething must be done!

    - super speedhacking w. 120 resist, I see a lot of accusations flying around, some of them directed at me from time to time. Truth is, I've never seen one of these hack programs personally but I do move pretty fast with my dual processers, cable connection, and being less than a 100 miles from the server. If you think someone is cheating then report them. as for 120 resist, I voiced my opinion already.

    archery- If you can't counter an archer, maybe you should figure out why. If it was such an uber template, everyone would be playing it. Mostly I see nox dexxers and necro mages on the field. Sounds to me like you have a personal issue with the template, not a legitimate gripe.

    Greater Dragons - I"m glad that tamers can participate in PvP. Greaters are not so hard to counter. The Tamer has to remain on foot, you can invis to unflag the dragon, and all you havce to do is go after the tamer. Takes a lot of skill really to use one of these in PvP, not to mention the skill points required. I'd say I"m about 50% successful using my Greater; and have yet to see a 'noobie' PvP with one successfully against a veteran PvP'er.
     
  11. GFY

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    Your complaining about 2-3 people ganging up and killing 1. Get real if you and 1-2 friends get together and pvp you SHOULD HAVE NO PROBLEM killing 1 single opponent. The biggest problem is the number of UBBER templates that 3 people have no chance of defeating. :stir:
     
  12. Sir Kenga

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    /Signed on THIS.
     
  13. JC the Builder

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    All it takes is a trap box to completely negate this attack. It really isn't that big a deal right now compared to other PVP issues such as a complete lack of motivation for group PVP.
     
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    signed.

    Also, why is it these threads always list what they see as wrong but never state how it can honestly and easily be circumvented?
     
  15. Ericge99

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    Actually, omen para gank is the lamest i've seen done so far. Even with 120 resist you can't beat it, thats the point of this topic, not a list of other nerfs to be included. As far as archers..... they've been nerfed to the max already, leave them alone. If you realy need to omen para to get a kill, then stay in tramm, try using real skill next time you try to PvP.
     
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    It doesn't take 3, but this is a lame tactic I've seen people pulling so they don't have to leave the GZ around gates...
     
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    I notice the majority of the more serious pvpers talking about this one constantly and the fraction that are not are playing that end to their advantage or else they would be trying to get this fixed also.

    It has been a problem and I still consider this one of the priority pvp problems that needs a fix asap right up there with greater dragons being a part of pvp and no timer on cure pots. Lots of problems with pvp and all of them are in serious need of a fix right now.
     
  18. Shot

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    You really miss the point here. I got tired of losing trap boxes and having to replace them so I increased my spell resistance. Now all those skill points have been negated by this one over buff combination.

    I accept that I got to carry bandages to heal and apples to have a chance against necro/magery. I should NOT have to carry some other stupid piece of crap when I've invested time and skill points to counter a particular combo.
     
  19. Tasslehoff

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    i couldn't stop laughing after reading this post.i will have to say you are for sure full of it.evil omen para is easy to counter.people should complain less about stuff that isn't that bad so the devs can fix real issues duping,hacks etc.
     
  20. Piehunter

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    Bring a trapped box newb.
     
  21. JC the Builder

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    That logic is flawed. Your Resisting Spells should not completely negate the Paralyze spell. But it does. So you get stuck for 6 seconds from a 2 spell combo and that is somehow unfair? Hardly.
     
  22. 5% Luck

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    Eee Gad man drink a lesser poison!
     
  23. Shot

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    It's hardly 6 seconds.( though 6 seconds is a lifetime in PvP). It's long enough for the caster to put two energy fields on me thereby completely immobilizing me.

    I have no idea what template you play JC, but to overcome a counter long enough to completely immobilize a player IS unfair. Para and disarm are the two stupidest ploys in PvP, but I'll deal with them if given a level playing field.

    Having 120 spell res is SUPPOSED to level that field, and being frozen long enough to be trapped inside two energy fields is.. not... balanced. Period. If it is, then everything is wide open.
     
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    mager+eval+necro+ss>resist+unprepared victim.
     
  25. Dragkiris

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    No its not long enough to get 2 energy fields up if you have 110+ resist (not sure about under that) you can get one up then throw a wall of stone and evil omen para again then drop the other efield but you cant just do 2 efields.
     
  26. Shot

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    Look, I'm not posting a bunch of bull****. It's been done to me on two occasions and I"ve seen it done to others several times. It happens, it was not my imagination, so go test it if you don't believe it.
     
  27. Shot

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    yeah and archery+anat+bushido+tac> parry + unprepared victim.

    WHat's your point?
     
  28. Dragkiris

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    my point is 4 skills overpower 1 unless you have took extra steps to stop it. And its not long enough for 2 efields with 110+ resist. I am right. END kthx
     
  29. Alexei

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    I've been actively pvping for about years now and have never had an issue with omen/para since AoS came out. You can do any of the following to get out of it:

    A) Trap Box
    B) Scrolls
    C) lesser poison pot
    D) Eat an apple before the para hits

    Either way it's not that hard to survive it. There are bigger issues with PvP than Omen/Para atm...
     
  30. Shot

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    yeah... I remember you from the 4th grade rofl.
     
  31. Dragkiris

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    Apparently a 4th grader can out pvp you then.
     
  32. Shot

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    Being killed by a 4th grader is not something to be ashamed of. Acting like one when you are much older is.
     
  33. JC the Builder

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    Having a trap box is template irrelevant. Even if you don't have a trap box there are plenty of other ways to counter, from poison potions to having a friend heal you, etc.
     
  34. Shot

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    You know, that's the problem. You think using a stupid trick to overcome a stupid trick is just dandy. I'm really tired of having to deal with the dismount ganks, the disarm noobs, the Omen para-ganks...

    Straight up, most of the people using these idiot-manual maneuvers can not PvP very well. They cover it by using a lame ploy and the game allows them.

    The population of UO continues to dwindle while player run shards continue to grow, and quite frankly EA will have less one more customer if this is the only kind of fights that I continue to find on the field. It's BS and balance is needed.
     
  35. Splup

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    Evil omen para gank is no problem for me atleast... Only time I get evil omen paraed is when Im fighting 3vs1 and I get no bad feelings for losing that fight. If I have even 1 friend he will cast a small spell on me and break me free before they get to attack.

    I could carry a trapbox but I'm too lazy to make em :)
     
  36. Viper09

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    Ok, the problem isn't the evil omen + para. The problem is energy field!
    Energy field shouldn't be blocking people! It should be causing energy damage to people who walk through it like it use to do a long time ago.

    Personally they should just call this spell "greater wall" or "energy wall" unless they plan on making the darn spell do what should be doing, which is causing damage.
     
  37. Sarphus

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    I agree that EO/para gank is pretty lame.
     
  38. Sarphus

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    I also agree with this :)
     
  39. Goldberg-Chessy

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    1) Trap boxes are quite obviously a flawed item/mechanic so in no way should they be part of any pvp discussion. Fix a known issue with another known issue? Okaaay.

    2) Last time I checked casting a spell such as Magic Arrow through the use of a scroll causes a warrior or archer to drop his non sc weapon. Is this seriously your answer to the problem? Cause a warrior/archer player to negate ALL of his templates offensive ability because 2 spells are broken?(the fact that the weapon is only disarmed temporarily is not the point) Drop a weapon to fix an issue. Riiiight.

    3) Poison yourself? Thats a real solid way to avoid dying in pvp. Ever think about that? Not only do you have to lug around an item that you have no need for. You then have to use it to inflict damage to yourself.

    4) As it stands apples have timers so they are of course not a viable option. Besides the fact that every time you are omened it is not followed by the gimpy para so how the fark are you supposed to know when to eat the apple?

    Bottom line is that ANYBODY that doesnt understand that Evil Omen/Para is a ridiculous and semi serious issue is either a plain fool or the person abusing it.

    Peace :)
     
  40. Violence

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    +1 Typical Response from Omen Spammer/PvP Theorist #9283178146...

    Just tell me to STFU or GTFO if you're gonna defend Omen gangs, since you're out of real points in this argument. Read through the whole thread, and the other 1000 threads about how crap this situation is.

    Yeah no **** the XFields are the other HALF of the problem. But we need to start with Omen changes before we nerf the Fields or make them OPed for Champs(damage dealing Energy Fields).

    And there's Field/Wall too for SOLO OMEN SPAMMERS so there goes the whole argument about it being 2 Vs. 1.

    And what are you doing in a thread that's against Omen when you're FOR it? Afraid if the Devs notice how OPed it is, they'll change it? Don't worry it won't happen any time soon so let us have our go thinking we can get their attention..

    PS. Dispel Field could help lighten things up(by no means a "solution") IF IT WAS USABLE AT ALL in such situations and IF you're a mage or have a friend around... LOL..
     
  41. Dragkiris

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    Teleport out? Carry teleport scrolls if your a dexxer? Since when is dispel field not useful?
     
  42. mr.blackmage

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    teleport doesn't work around houses, and has huge LOS issues. Also, there are few spots in T2A that you can simply teleport to, you usually need to have the spots memorized depending on where you are fighting. In short, teleport doesn't work in like 9/10 of the places in UO. dispel field will NOT be cast against someone that boxed you in correctly, due to the fact that you won't get the spell off (interrputed).

    Yeah. I don't really have a problem with EO though, aside from it being so fast that it replaces weaken as an interrupt, giving a necro mage a huge advantage vs a pure.
     
  43. Viper09

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    Please. The only reason people have a problem with Omen is ONLY because of paralyze and people casting x-field. If x-field couldn't be used to block people no one would be complaining about omen. Fix energy field and fix the problem.
    Omen is used to enhance the affects of the next attack, such as level 5 poison to level 6 poison. That's the way it works.
     
  44. Skwiz

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    FYI if people cant Block with Efield they will block with wall of stone.. Its just as easy to X someone with Wall o Stone if you know how.
     
  45. Viper09

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    Yeah, but it's a heck of a lot easier to escape from wall of stone since it doesn't last very long at all. You would need 2 mages focusing on casting the wall in case they escape. Wall of stone can also block their line of sight at certain angles allowing you to hide. It would be very hard for one mage to pull off X kill with wall of stone. With energy field it's easy.
     
  46. Skwiz

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    True but then people will be running in 2s for this combo.. Omen Para..

    One mage does Walls while the other goes for Exp FS .. They hit After both walls are up, the Wall mage can just harm spam afterwards.

    Yes it would fix the solo para gank problem but Omen para would still cause trouble no matter which way you look at it..

    Just remove the para ability of omen.. problem solved.. the spell is still useful nothing is broken because of this fix.. and we would have some real fights.. instead of the Always Omen Para Fields..
     
  47. Skwiz

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    BTW saying its hard for a single mage to X with Wall of stone.. if im quick enough or my victim has slow reflexes i can Wall of stone after a wrestling para punch.. just gotta be quick.