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[OOC] Bane Chosen vs. the Ophidians: A Character Discussion

Discussion in 'UO White Stag Inn' started by WarderDragon, Jun 25, 2010.

  1. WarderDragon

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    Ultima Online Herald - In the Shadow of Virtue: Good Neighbors

    Another war is about to begin; this one having the potential to impact the battles being fought and the alliances being formed throughout the Britannias and the Abyssal Continent. Which side will your character choose and why?

    Will you choose to side with the Bane Chosen; Dragoons who claim to be avenging the innocent Britannian's slaughtered during the Ophidian War? Or will you take pity on the serpentine Ophidians and protect them from a genocide wrought by yet another seemingly fanatical human faction?

    Discuss.
     
  2. Stupid Miner

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    As I see it, the Bane followers are associated with some Demon faction or another: They have Hell Hounds and Bane Dragons which only spawn in the Rift in the Stygian Abyss. They're wearing Chaos Dragoon armor, and they all have vials of demon blood on them.

    The Ophidians aren't so great either what with the previous Invasions and all.

    Playing this scenario completely as a mercenary. Fighting whichever side I feel will net the best profit.
     
  3. GalenKnighthawke

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    This fiction, following my signature, reflects how I'm roleplaying the event.

    -Galen's player
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    In the Shadow of virtue: Sir Lancelot's Dilemma

    Humanity has many great scholars, researchers, archaeologists, and teachers. But, at the end of the day, humans mostly pass on our values, culture, history, and hopes through our stories. Even before humanity learned to write, our stories could survive generations, or centuries, after the real people the characters were based upon turned to dust. Sometimes, as human cultures and civilizations expanded and changed, the stories changed with them. The old versions were usually kept alive too, somehow, alongside the newer ones.

    One of humanity's strangest, most-enduring stories is that of the long, tragedy-laden career of great warrior and knight named Lancelot. One of his exploits had been at the front of my mind lately.

    One day, Sir Lancelot, while on a holy quest, was walking through an unknown forest, far from home. He stumbled across a great battle in a clearing, between two armies of skilled and well-equipped knights, and watched it for awhile. After about an hour, one side was clearly losing. Lancelot knew nothing about the sides of the conflict, but he jumped in anyway, to fight for the losing side. He helped turn the tide of the battle, and then walked off to resume his quest.

    Lancelot later learned that he had helped the forces of Evil defeat the forces of Good. He had, in fact, fought against the forces of his own God. Good was winning, until Lancelot stupidly intervened.

    Was it Lancelot's perceived knightly duty to protect the weak that caused him to jump into the fray? No. The other side was not weak, they were merely losing. The two sides seemed evenly matched. Lancelot of all people, who had won many fights, knew that victory and defeat were both inevitable, and the loser in a fight isn't necessarily weaker than the winner, let alone more in the right.

    No. It was, quite clearly, a warrior's Pride that caused Lancelot to unknowingly intervene, and unknowingly commit an act of great Evil. He knew he could turn the tide, and so he did, simply because he could. He should, of course, have simply walked away. He didn't know anything about the fight and he had no reason to intervene. The answer to Sir Lancelot's dilemma was to look past Pride and realize that he had no dilemma at all.

    The story of Sir Lancelot's dilemma was never more on my mind than when the Bane Chosen and the Ophidians began their private war in the Lost Lands.

    We had, I think, a little more information on this war than Sir Lancelot did on the battle he'd intervened in. The Ophidians were a constant irritation to us, we had every reason to think they were Evil, and a few short years ago they'd launched massive, well-organized attacks on us that had left many dead, injured, or homeless. These attacks had come to be known as the War of the Zenith Scion. I'd fought them bitterly during that war, I'd slaughtered the Ophidians like animals, followed them eagerly into territory I knew they'd claimed, and I had no regrets.

    And yet, here I was, basically assisting the Ophidians in their battle against the Bane Chosen, who appeared human, and who claimed their families had been slaughtered by the Ophidians during the War of the Zenith Scion.

    And why was this? Why put myself into a fight that wasn't mine, like Sir Lancelot had once done, let alone on behalf of an Evil race that I'd slaughtered not too long ago? Simply put, it was instinct.

    There was just too much wrong with the Bane. The War of the Zenith Scion was many years ago, why seek revenge now? Also, the Bane Chosen weren't subtle in their long-term goals. They wished to wipe all “uncivilized races” from the map. Not Evil races, not aggressive races, but “uncivilized.” “Civilized” was one of the least objective concepts our language had a word for. Rarely do you meet a person or being, let alone an entire race, that calls itself uncivilized. That was something someone else called you when they disapproved of you, considered you less than them. Some elves considered humans uncivilized. Some humans considered elves to be uncivilized. That word was even on occasion used by Britannians and Tokunoese, both human, to describe each other's culture. The word had no clear meaning, and that was the word the Bane had chosen to use.

    Further, the Bane had no obvious respect for political or civil authority. My Security Ministry and Royal Guard badges didn't impress them one bit, and they showed no sign of recognition of the names of Queen Dawn or Lord British, or of having so much as heard of the Virtues. There was no indication they were affiliated with Papua's Mayor.

    They were a powerful army of raw hate, in very respectable armor that recalled Lord Blackthorn's armies from long ago, riding demonic dragons (again, recalling Blackthorn's army). These dragons came from the Abyss, along with the special breed of red-glowing hounds the Bane also used in their attacks. They had sprung up out of nowhere, with no obvious signs of funding, organization, or leadership. They wouldn't stand down, seemingly no matter what. They were an hour's ride from Papua, which was a teleporter away from Moonglow.

    I didn't like this, not one bit. When they wouldn't respect authority or stand down, indeed when they paid no attention, I reacted with a slap and a shove. To that, they reacted with a swing of a sword, which I blocked. And, to the block, they reacted with another sword swing, and proceeded to encircle me.

    Before I fully understood what was happening I had killed about ten of them. And another dozen shortly after that.

    They kept coming, in endless waves. I'd seen this before. Monsters did this. This was how monsters, not men, behaved and fought. And I fought them like I'd fight monsters, as I'd fought the Ophidians years prior. With bitterness.

    But, then, I always fought bitterly. Outside of sparring, I couldn't think of how else to fight. The Ophidians were around me, cheering me on, or seeming to. Meanwhile, other Britannians assisted the Bane and slaughtered the Ophidians, as I'd slaughtered the Bane, and the dry sand of the Lost Lands desert eagerly drank in the blood.

    I bore no grudge against my countrymen who assisted the Bane. Members of my guild helped the Bane too. Only one thing was clear to me: Neither side was our friend. I thought it best to play these two sides against each other. They were both clearly too powerful, numerous, and close to us to ignore. I thought of a similar dilemma, many years ago, when Savages had chased Orcs into Britannian territory, and Britannians chose sides, one or the other.

    I killed both, I considered both a threat. The only reason I was killing the Bane exclusively in this particular case, I could've overlooked my early incident with them if they could've, was that they already had quite enough Britannian help.

    The funny thing was that the outcome seemed to be a foregone conclusion. The two sides were a brutal mismatch; the Bane could have brought terror to the Ophidians without our help. That the Bane seemed eager to get our help anyway, offering the rewards they did, only made me even more suspicious of them. The only thing the few of us fighting against the Bane could hope for was to keep the Bane off-balance until....Until what?

    There was no way to know.

    And in this manner the fight went on, and on, and on, over days. I'd been part of many longer fights in my day, and expected to be so again. But there was something about this, the uncertain nature of what was going on, the heat of the desert sun beating down on my dark clothing and armor, that wore me down as I fought and fought, with Sir Lancelot's dilemma echoing in my head.

    But, unlike Sir Lancelot, we hadn't stumbled across two armies in contest in the middle of an unknown woods. They were right here, an hour's ride from Papua, in great numbers.

    And so I fought.
     
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  4. Lore Denin (GL)

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    [OOC] Basically, until we know more about the moral justification for the war, we will not enter. We rp Order guard/Virtue Knights and True Britannians and have primary responsibility to the defense and protection of Britannia and a moral obligation not to enter combat with others without justifcation. Thus we are not entering the battle at this time.

    Here is a link to our IC investigation and decision making process. The Thread on White Stag has to be updated but the one on Origin is up to date, Here

    -Lore's Player
     
  5. Zurhet Pebblethief

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    As a goblin I am going to side with whichever side pays better and is winning t the time *nods*
     
  6. WarderDragon

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    Six months have passed since I posted this thread.

    I'm curious to see how peoples stances have evolved. What experiences might have changed or strengthened their previous convictions.

    Discuss.
     
  7. Lore Denin (GL)

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    **Declaration of War on the Bane Chosen**​

    The Kingdom of Lore recognizes Queen Dawn as the one, and only true sovereign of Britannia, bestowed the title of Queen by both legal and popular authority and therefore responsible for the safety, governance and protection of the Kingdom, its people, Virtues and land.

    The Kingdom of Lore's support of Queen Dawn is unwavering as the Queen remains true to her Oath of Office, sworn in front of all Britannia, to claim the throne only with the full support of her people and in accordance with the Virtues, laws and traditions established by the first King and founder of Britannia, Lord British.

    The Bane Chosen, like the Council of Mages, Shadowlords, Blackthorn, Minax, Exodus and countless others who have arisen from the shadows before them, have no legitimate claim to the Kingdom of Britannia, nor the right to claim governance of its citizens. In contrast to Queen Dawn's ascent to the throne, The Bane Chosen have traveled a dark path of aggression and subterfuge to seize control of Cities, methods that stand in stark contrast to the principles Britannia was founded.

    Therefore, The Kingdom of Lore, in support of our sister nation of Britannia, its people and Queen Dawn; Declare War on the Bane Chosen and all who support their misguided and erroneous claims over Britannia.

    Furthermore, The Kingdom of Lore will broker no peace with the Bane Chosen until the Bane Armies have been driven from Britannia, relinquish all claims of sovereignty and pose no threat to Queen Dawn, Britannia, its people or the Virtues.

    **Signed**

    Lord Denin, King of Lore
    March 15, B.V. 459

    Witness: Duke Greenspan - Minister of Finance
    Witness: Lady Destiny - Minister of Magic
     
  8. sablestorm

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    I meant to reply to this the first time around. The Twilight Fellowship chose to ally with the Ophidians against the Bane Chosen, having acknowledged the merits of the grievances the Ophidians had which led up to the war with them. We were further validated in our stance when the Bane Chosen attacked our allies, the Meer, and now they attack Britannia herself.

    It's rather impressive to see the coalition Queen Dawn has assembled and it's heartening to see the ophidians and meer contribute soldiers to the defense of the cities. I wonder if other allies can be called on, like the Platinum Dragons and the solen.
     
  9. whiterabbit

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    smart mobe