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Discussion in 'UO Siege Perilous' started by Sweeney, Oct 15, 2008.

  1. Sweeney

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    Copying the old thread title for nostalgia's sake, I'm betting this will be another pitiful draw. McCain won't perform his personal attacks face to face, and Obama is too concerned with playing it safe.

    I'll even be a bookie(sp?), (based on the average of CNN, MSNBC, FOX polls on who performed better).

    1:.9 It's a draw.
    3:1 that Obama wins the debate.
    10:1 odds that McCain wins the debate.

    [edit]2 point spread on the average. If either wins by <= 2 pts, it's a draw [/edit]

    My bank balance is fairly low, so I accept bets only less than or equal to 5000 gp. All posts/bets herein are considered good faith contracts. Your word is your bond.
     
  2. Pestilence Hemp

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    haha nice
     
  3. Sweeney

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    I changed the odds on a draw, and added a point spread for a draw. Tis my first venture into bookie-ing
     
  4. Sweeney

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    You only have until 9:30pm CST to place bets! At 9:00 CST the favorable odds reduce by half (1:3 reduces to 1:1.5), although there is still a chance you're gut feeling can turn out right.
    [edit] At 9 CST draw bets return to 1:1 (ie. don't bother placing an even bet) [/edit]
     
  5. Pestilence Hemp

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    Wow this is already some of the funniest crap ever!
     
  6. Sweeney

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    Place a bet damnit!!! Show some gumption.. you can spare 5k if you lose. Be the first.
     
  7. Pestilence Hemp

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    yeah i would but i dont play uo any more. Im boycotting EA.

    Just come here cuase everyone is cool......
     
  8. Travixus

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    5k on obama winning! :D
     
  9. Pestilence Hemp

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    loveing the lies. just like bush sr said he wouldnt raise taxes, and did. both of these guys need to own up, however gets in is going to have to raise taxes.
     
  10. Sweeney

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    What happened to all the McCain supporters? You talk the talk but won't bet the walk. 10:1 odds in your favor on this debate should be enough to convince the stingiest republican.
     
  11. Mogluk

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    well, depends on the taxes.... I think we will be okay if we do the following

    1. if we get serious about energy independence.
    2. cut spending DRASTICALLY...
    3. get the idea taht any of their pet projects are going to be had. neither of them are getting any of their BIG projects.
    4. I like Obama's plan to remove tax breaks for jobs going outside the US. But I am against his overall tax plan, as evidenced by the conversation he had with that plumber which I thought was a very interesting conversation.
    5. McCain just looks old.....I was so hoping for another republican candidate....


    energy is next.
     
  12. Mogluk

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    actually in debate terms I like this debate in what he has done so far....
     
  13. Mogluk

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    and I don't bet especially with a thief......
     
  14. Sweeney

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    I may be a thief, but I honor my deals. Are you too scared to wager 5k on your favorite?
     
  15. Trep

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    i might have misheard but did i just hear McCain start to call Palin a "breast of fresh air?"
     
  16. Tigsalot

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  17. Sweeney

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    No even bets at the least? Based upon the last 2 pres. debates, you're getting favorable even-win odds at 1:.9. Seems to you all have a favorite but don't want to wager pixels on it. A lack of moral values and faith.
     
  18. Mogluk

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    McCain is doing quite well he is making some good points....but it won't be enough its time for aother carter administration......
     
  19. Mogluk

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    no I have moral values... one is I don't mess with thieves or try to attain wealth by betting....
     
  20. Sweeney

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    3 minutes left to place bets at the high odds. At 9 CST:
    Even odds reduce to 1:1
    Obama odds reduce to 1.5:1
    McCain odds reduce to 5:1
     
  21. Mogluk

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    why reduce his odds? should make it 20:1
     
  22. Sweeney

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    Because I don't want to give late-betters an advantage silly orc. I may be new to bookie-ing, but I am fairly intelligent.
     
  23. Pestilence Hemp

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    HAHAHAHA thought i was hearing things aswell.
     
  24. Pestilence Hemp

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    Im gonna find this joe guy and smack him. Joe the plumber is now offically as annoying as maverick.
     
  25. Mogluk

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    I think he said bresh......maybe he was thinking both?
     
  26. Mogluk

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    have you heard the conversation?
     
  27. Draxous

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    I think McCain made a great point about economy in a globalized world...

    if America has the highest tax rates and negative incentives to building a successful business here, where will corporations build business?

    I work for a global company... and we are expanding in Asia, South America, Africa and even in Europe (especially eastern.)

    You know where we're not expanding aggressively?

    The United States of America.

    +1

    Obama talking about raising taxes on 'anyone' who makes over 250k a year. When he was describing if a business makes more than 250k a year... I got the feeling he wasn't talking about the owners Salary... but the Business itself.

    Anyone here who owns/runs a business (even a small one) knows that yearly costs for damn near every small business runs through more than 250 thousand a year in costs... that means they make way more than 250k a year to cover those costs.

    I really don't get it. He's way too vague and its too thinly veiled to be anywhere believable that this is actually a good thing.

    -1

    Then you get Universal Health Care... look, I work in Health Care... more specifically in the pharmaceutical research industry. I work specifically with developing new drugs. I can tell you right now... that health care here is the best in the world. I can tell you that we have the very best of the best because of the sacrifices we've made... namely the fact that you have to pay for that kind of health care.

    Look at the rest of the world... waiting hours for a surgery? Really there is no new or innovative technologies coming from any of it. All advancements in healthcare were created here... now ask yourself why? Yeah, they may have basic health care for their people (a physical exam and a flu shot once a year... whoopie) but if you think those people have better standards of care than we do... lol. They're eating scraps from our table and telling us how good it tastes... yay for them.


    Now I agree with one thing... that "pre-existing condition" bull**** clause that all insurance companies implement. It really is BS.

    But it all comes down to one thing... even with this Universal Health Care crap.

    There is not a single... not ONE single social program in the HISTORY of our country that has worked properly. Not a damn one of them. And we want to add another to the list...

    Epic Fail and -50


    Then you have the genius's who think that businesses who get taxed are going to grow the money on trees. Does anyone realize that the businesses paid their bills with OUR MONEY?!? So when they get taxed and have to pay more money... who really pays more? We do... in terms of costs. We pay more for their goods and services because it costs them more to provide them.... gee, but I'm sure that all the businesses in the world are going to dip into their own pockets/profits to pay for these increases in taxes out of the goodness of their hearts... :coco:

    -1


    Foreign policy and the military?

    Nuff said. :scholar:


    and finally... even with all the points tallied when the only track record I have of Obama is him being super liberal when he was trying to consolidate the democratic vote in the primaries (convenient) and when I see him move to the middle while he's trying to consolidate America's vote (again, convenient) tells me the guy is a slime ball and just trying to tell me exactly what I want to hear and not what he's going to actually do.


    That right there... lost my vote.

    God bless and good night.
     
  28. Mogluk

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    hmm Roe v. Wade?
     
  29. Sweeney

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    Only one faith-based bet on Obama, Zero on McCain. This is the last 23 minutes. For all the ranting I've heard against Obama, noone seems to doubt his ability to win a debate.
     
  30. Mogluk

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    lol thats a faulty argument..... why do you only have 1 bet for obama? Don't they believe he will WIN......betting is a sham the only person taht wins is the bookie.....

    the house always wins
     
  31. Sweeney

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    You only have 5:1 odds, but I shall accept such a bet due to the lack of entries. My silly self expected more faith, and my bank account can definitely support such a limited amount of bets.
     
  32. Tigsalot

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    5k on McCain
     
  34. Mogluk

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    1 million on McCAIN!!!!!!!!!
     
  35. Mogluk

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    wait my emotions are getting ahead of me......
     
  36. Tigsalot

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    my god is stronger than yours!
     
  37. Pestilence Hemp

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    haha. "we cant just throw money at the situation" didnt they just do that?
     

  38. UO should make bookie a skill on Siege, then Cybernickel would have to use some skill to actually make it happen....don't know why but this post breasted a thought. :)
     
  39. Scuzzlebutt

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    Is there a scoring system in debates? Do they go to a shoot out if there is a tie?
     
  40. Trep

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    i work in medical research too (radiotherapy and imaging)...

    and that is so not true... read some journals and see who's publishing them, large number are not american.
     
  41. Sweeney

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    I am scoring this debate based upon the opinion polls of CNN, MSNBC, and FOX. A 2 point spread exists for the tie. The winners and losers may not be known for 2 days.
     
  42. Pestilence Hemp

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    Knife fight? .........CRIPPLE FIGHT!
     
  43. Have they mentioned "Illegal immigration"? Is that not a problem anymore, I guess not.
     
  44. Sweeney

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    Immigrants can't steal our jobs if there aren't any to steal?
     
  45. Scuzzlebutt

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    What is each candidates position on duping bugs and speeder hacks?
     
  46. Tigsalot

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    they can't vote
     
  47. Draxous

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    So who has created the vast majority of medical related technologies used in the world?

    ...

    It's very true.

    And that's across the board.

    hell... damn near every single innovation in the past 200 years has been created primarily here in America.

    From Electricity to Computers and the internet... it's the American way.


    Edit: I gotta say that-that double arm transplant in Germany recently and that face transplant in france is really awesome... too.

    I'm not trying to say that the rest of the world doesn't contribute, but my point was that we have the very best of the best in terms of doctors, care, treatment options and technologies when it comes to health care... for a reason and that reason should be obvious.
     
  48. Mogluk

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    well a large part of the "studies" that are coming frm outside america is because of the centralized systems that funnel money through beauraucratic socialist systems, similar to sports programs of comunist countries.

    America tells its doctors to do research in their off time or in a manner to not impact care of their patients. that same sentiment does not exists in other countries.

    actually a cripple fight would be nice.....
     
  49. Mogluk

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    okay the results!!!!