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Perhaps A Good News Indicator

Discussion in 'UHall' started by Nails Warstein, Oct 8, 2013.

  1. Nails Warstein

    Nails Warstein Rares Festival Silent Auctioneer
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    People not familiar with the Stratics Rares Forum should take note of the thriving community within. I think it’s important to recognize the economic health of the game from a factual basis. One indicator is the exchange of rare items in the Stratics Rares Forum. I cannot account for every transaction exchanged there. I can only account for my own.

    This is not to boast, nor is this an exaggeration. In just the past 9 Months, I have personally handled, managed, and brokered well over 500 Billion gold in rare game items known as non-spawning server births and event items. Over 200 Billion can be attributed to my in-game Silent Auctions held on the Atlantic Shard in Zento of which 75 billion was exchanged within a single weekend at the Atlantic Rares Festival in June. Even more was auctioned off publicly on the Stratics forum, while the rest was administered privately. This amount does not include my own personal sales, nor does it account for my personal holdings. I was merely a third party to these transactions.

    I am just a single player accounting for my own contributions. The majority of my transactions I broker for free. I do not represent any commercial websites. I am not alone, I am just one example of many who partake in proud tradition of collecting rare in-game items. We are players who support Ultima Online simply through our enjoyment of buying, selling, trading, and brokering in game items.

    Rare items is a feature that has existed in Ultima Online since its very inception. There are very few games if any that allow a player to personalize their game experience with rare items that only a hand full of players own whether it’s to decorate their homes or their paperdoll. It may not be what some choose to do with their time in UO, but it’s not unusual or taboo. It’s not unlike these Zynga games with one major exception, you can pick up these items, place them where you see fit, and exchange them with other players.

    I have notice that UHall is a place players like to come to complain about the game, and maybe rightly so. While others, particularly former players, like to give posters unwarranted grief. Some even like to forecast the end of the game. I believe it’s important to stick to the facts. In this case the evidence is clear. Ultima Online is still a thriving game in stressful economic times as proven by just one single economic indicator. It may not be as successful as we all want it to be, but at least the rare collectors like me are still investing in its future.

    Maybe you might consider checking out the Stratics Rares Forum if you haven’t already. Perhaps you have some rares you would like to buy, sell, trade or discuss. If you do so choose to engage in collecting, I recommend buying from people you know and trust or use a broker. Whether you approve of buying or selling high valued items in this game, it is the opinion of many players that trading in-game rare items is an integral element of this game that promotes the future success of this game. I might mention that the next Rares Festival will be held on Pacific in the near future. I hope to see you all there.
     
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  2. Flutter

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    I know I am having an AWESOME time trading lately. I haven't had this much fun in a while.
    Thank you goes especially to Nails Warstein who has helped me on more than one occasion either broker a trade, or just by running his weekly auctions for us.
    Fun stuff!!
     
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  3. wanderer1origin

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    better quote would be your and lord nabin's buying selling price of uo gold and what was 6 months ago as a benchmark
    not knocking or flaming
    just saying that is base line of real uo rare interaction, not encouragement too buy, sell rares
    also new rares /em items price over sever birth duped ex plough prices :)

    allowing here the two hardcore gold seller's this forum semi allows too sell, gold items
    least they could do is give semi market figures

    rather than just there ad verts

    not knocking or dissing

    or really care

    ty


    ps how much gold was deleted from first month ffx14 lol
     
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  4. THP

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    so theres a few dozen or 50 odd folks that dont mind spending real cash for pixel items /gold...[whatever- thats were we are....]
     
  5. Prawn

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    The rares collectors in UO are the red headed step children.. or the guy that fell for the Nigerian scams. You need them for the game to survive, they are normally out spoken and like to show off certain aspects of their lives.. though no one cares and their bread will always be plentiful and throw money around like no tomorrow.

    Thanks for keeping UO a float, financially.
     
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  6. Cupid

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    Geez awful lot a hate for a positive post, Nails is just pointing to a positive part of the game in the midst of a crowd of doom Sayers. I think it is a sign of additional longevity to the game with such passionate players.
     
  7. Orgional Farimir

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    It's OK UO is going to shut it's servers next month. That is why they aren't doing anything about this lag :p
     
  8. Felonious Monk

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    There have been so many posts about run away duping and broken economic models I don't necessarily share your view point. All I see is that the people who value uo gold have a lot of it. I play the game for it's experiences not items. Different strokes for different folks. I'm glad your having fun.
     
  9. Goldberg-Chessy

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    People have been spending large amounts of rl cash for ingame items/gold since day 1 of UO.
    Whats your point again bookkeeper?
     
  10. Ray_Martin

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    Just another aspect of UO a new player is going to struggle to feel involved in.
     
  11. Dermott of LS

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    ...

    Being in a sort of "real life rares market" professionally, I can respect the UO rares market and have a few odds and ends myself. However, I have NEVER been a fan of the ability to take items off their home shards. Plus as stated above the dupes that have occurred thanks to the x-shard system puts quite a damper in my view on the whole thing.

    I guess I would feel more supportive of the UO rares markets if not for those issues.

    Note: I originally included X-sharding as a whole, but that's not really correct. I would have had no problem if shard xferring was limited to the character, the character's skills, and the character's stats (and given a ste of newbie items accordingly), I believe the ability to x-shard items while creating the current rares narket as a whole has come at a damaging cost to the game as a whole... in my view anyway.
     
  12. kongomongo

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    Point proven by this thread.
     
  13. kaio

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    If a new player kills an ettin, he gets 200gc, and some cool items. Sometimes even a random potion. Thats really cool.
    OP claims a 75bill gold swap around during a weekend...
    There was massive duping of mythic tokens not so long ago.
    Look at those above statements, and tell me
    How can that be an healthy economy in any way ?
     
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    How many players kill how many ettins each day for 16 years now and how much money has been generated in uo this way?

    Just to get things into perspective.

    I am not saying that 75b isnt a humongous amount of gold to me. But still, some players have had a lot of time and opportunity to pile gold.
     
  15. Winker

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    People dont mind paying for entertainment, just as people don't mind paying for alcohol when they sit in a pub. Just because YOU don't like to spend your cash on a game, many and i mean many other people do. I would rather spend my cash to buy an item than spend 10 hours of my time trying to get it from the RNG. 10 hours of my times is valued 100 x more than i would pay to get an item from a broker. But maybe if you earn minimum wages you would be better spending the time with the RNG
     
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  16. Aurelius

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    The effects of dupes, and other cheating methods, the 'health' or otherwise of the in-game economy, have been done to death over many posts and threads over the years - what we have is what we have. Even as someone who will never be in the 'mega rich' category to get into the top end rares collecting (honestly, for me, unless a 'rare' relates to an event I have good memories of, or reminds me of friends, places or things in the game it's of very little interest) I'm glad that ANY playstyles find things to enjoy in UO.

    That's one of the things that is central to UO's 'sandbox' status, anyone should be able to play in pretty much any way they like and have fun. Rares collecting and trading is apparently doing well, excellent news and I hope it keeps doing so.
     
  17. Flutter

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    I have never (ever) spent real life money for "rares" or anything else except from the official UO store (origin). I may not be sitting on billions of gold but I've got a pretty nice collection I think. Anyone, and I mean anyone, can get into rares collecting. You don't have to be a vet, you just have to start small, find bargins, and work your way up.

    That being said someone up there ^ posted about how he enjoys the adventure of the game not the items. Well, I enjoy both. I pvp rather actively, I do quests, I work character skills, I participate in EM events, I have fun at player run events, I do peerless, I hunt in shame, wrong, and wherever else hits my fancy. I do corgul, I have a fisherwoman, I do crafting, I try to figure out what a good suit is. I do the quests in heartwood. I have never scripted anything. I don''t have any programs besides UO and UOA and legal map programs. I play multiple shards.
    Yesterday I surprised a friend by telling him who I was on a shard. He was impressed with my ability to role play. You may all be surprised about "who I am" on your shards.

    With that said, many rares collectors enjoy the whole game as I do. It's not "all about items" at all. It's a really fun part of the game for us, to collect. That is all.
     
  18. cazador

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    Who are you on chessy?
     
  19. THP

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    Quite simply ''LOLZ'' ....:next:

    Btw. How much is ya dad paying ya in his Photo shop !! muahhaaa...
     
  20. Winker

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    My father is dead, so maybe you would like to try some other type of personal attack.

    Ps. My father would never have known how to work a digital SLR but he was very good at working a L96 and L115 Sniper Rifles
     
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  21. THP

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    Sorry to hear that.....BUT ....You started it mate.....you always do !! on every post i make....and everyone can see/knows that...

    I like to spend real money collecting real life items/collectables matey....[end of story] ....items i can 'hold and touch and play with even!!...items that will increase in value in time....... I like UO.... and i do collect holiday/gift items and the such like...but i have no need to spend real money in UO.... as i have amassed enough gold to buy any item 10 fold in the game....and i simply buy gametime with the gold too....

    Each to his own i guess....:next: whatever

    [AND] as for personal attacks...think b4 u troll my every post...ask yourself do i really need to troll him again????....think b4 u type...
     
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  22. Winker

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    Grow up, just because I have a different view from you does not mean my response is a troll. If it was Petra would soon delete them as she has to do with so many of your postings. Ps 2 others agreed with what I had to say!

    Maybe you should look up what difference of opinion means, and maybe you need to learn that if you post on a public forum other people will reply to your postings. If you don't like it, don't post anything, simples!