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Petition for EA to offer Richard Garriott producer position...

Discussion in 'UHall' started by Shinobi, Sep 3, 2011.

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Should EA offer the open producer job to Richard Garriott?

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  1. Shinobi

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  2. johnny13

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    Never and i dont think he is up to the job.
     
  3. Viper09

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    And that's assuming Richard Garriot would even want the job. Just because he's still interested in Ultima doesn't mean he'd want to be the producer of UO instead of creating something newer.
     
  4. Vlaude

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    This. I don't think he's as interested in taking the producer role of UO as he is in starting a whole new project involving the Ultima franchise. If anything, taking the producer role could limit him from doing something potentially bigger (and dare I say, better :stir:)
     
  5. Woodsman

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    It's in his DNA to keep creating and not trying to remake/upgrade past efforts. He didn't like reusing game engines when he was making the Ultimas (although he allowed it for spinoffs) and preferred to start fresh with each game, and after UO had only been out for a brief time, he was ready to let others create a UO2. The guy likes to take what he learned in his last project and apply it to something new and he likes to use new technology.

    I think he's angling for EA to let him use some of the Ultima IP in his Lord British game and I doubt it's more than that.

    Being a UO producer in 2011 would bog him down too much and would go against everything he's done over the past 30 years, given that he was constantly trying to use the latest and greatest hardware or technologies.
     
  6. Shinobi

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    Regardless, i think it'd be really nice for them to make some form of offer to him, just to do it. Maybe he'd be interested in temporarily taking the reigns...or a guest appearance as the ghost of Lord British...lol.
     
  7. I, and Many of the Monks of Britainnia have long prayed for the Return of Lord British to Sosaria, be it Ultima, Ultima Online, or Ultimately!!! hehe
     
  8. pgib

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    I don't care if they give him the title of Producer or Raging Mongbat: bring back Lord British!
     
  9. Lord Gareth

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    Hmmm....

    Tabula Rasa
    Release Date: November 2, 2007
    Shut Down Date: February 28, 2009

    The non-disclosure agreement for the beta test was lifted on September 5, 2007 and the test ended on October 26, 2007 with a themed event in which players were invited to attempt to kill the character General British, played by game creator Richard Garriott


    New Britannia

    Ultima creator Richard Garriot, who still retains the rights to his alter ego Lord British, has unveiled his latest project titled New Britannia.
    ....we do know that it will be a virtual world game based around Garriot's alter ego, Lord British. This kind of sounds familiar doesn't it?........This next part will make some players cringe; it's also a social network game. But Garriot wants to stay true to the heritage of online gaming and doesn't intend to just create an ultra-light social network MMO.

    http://www.tentonhammer.com/node/96515



    Sorry but I want a producer who is in love with the community not their Alter Ego or 50+ split personalities. EA would be moronic to offer the position to him, he would prolly take it and then go on a trip to subspace while he planned his lawsuit BUT if you would like UO to shutdown in about a year or so like his wonderful Tabula wassathat? then sure lets offer it LoL
     
  10. MalagAste

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    I'm thinking that He doesn't really have a love of UO still... and probably wouldn't take it in a direction it should go...

    At this point I don't think there is a fix for UO.

    You can't fix the players. Seems to me right now that most of the fault with UO lies with us. Greed, Selfishness, and Hatred are the "virtues" most seem to follow anymore.

    The Virtues the Game was based on have been long since abandoned by most.
     
  11. Kayne

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    In some ways I agree with you, alot of players have been spoilt and turned into item/gold driven instead of playing for fun and getting the items as a happy bonus.
    I've been playing for years and I still don't own anything worth much. My most fun times were those I went on pvm hunts and died countless times not the ones where I came back with items (so much so my motto is that its not fun if you havent died at least half a dozen times). Lady Mel for me was the fight more than rewards.
     
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    Exactly. To me the fun times and those times when I REALLY enjoyed UO ..... aren't in acquiring more junk... It's been in spending time with my friends laughing and adventuring...... yes even dying. Fighting evil and RP.... PvP... I miss those things more than anything.

    Most of my old friends are gone now... left for other games.... which I just don't have any interest in. I don't want to play WoW.... Or LoTRO to me those games are a downgrade... it's like "What you mean I can't own my own house and deco and design?...... NO? Well then phooey I don't want to play it."..... or "What you mean there isn't really any RP? OMG you can't even talk to your enemy? You have got to be kidding me! How do you do any serious RP then? Forget it..."

    Besides UO is in my blood... I've way too much time, effort and heart invested in this game to just leave it.

    Blood, sweat and Tears don't you know.

    And just when we were getting a DEV team that listened.... now Cal is gone.

    I'm hoping that whoever the new Producer shall be that they really take the time to learn UO and put on a thick skin and come talk to the players... Don't fear us... lead us into bigger and better adventures.
     
  13. Kayne

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    Ah yes the good ol' days. :)

    Contemplating attempting a resurrection of a light RP guild on Europa that I used to run but I dunno if the demand will be there.
     
  14. Lady Storm

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    While it would be nice for the Boss to come back home and straiten out this game... EA and Richard parted on less then happy terms... And you have to take into accounts He and his queen(soon to be wife) will live in Texas at the castle. Now unless Mythic is ready to get picked up and moved back to Austin... which I seriously doubt and i dont think Richard is willing to move to Virginia....... This is a pipe dream.... nice but still a pipe dream.
     
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    Although I am a Garriott fan, I voted No/No Vote.

    If she wants it, I would very much like to see Mesanna holding the reins in the Producer position. She's earned it many, many times over.
     
  16. Coldren

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    I'd disagree. I think ee knows exactly where UO's strengths lie, and intends to carry it forward in the new LB game. Whether or not he'd be interested in UO itself, well, probably not because it's a limited platform.

    Richard Garriott - Interview auf der Gamescom 2011 (HD, 720) - YouTube

    Start's talking about it a few minutes in.
     
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    Garriot might not want the job BUT if he did he deserves a chance at it.
     
  18. Triberius

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    I voted no, now if he came to EA and offered to fill the role I would not object in the least, but as it stands now I feel that current UO and his original vision for UO have seperated too far. If he joined the team and decided to try and bring the game back to his vision, the chaos could be devastating.
     
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    I'm with LadyNico on this one, voted no even though I'm a Garriott fan. I think if Mesanna wants the job she deserves the oportunity to run with it. She's done a lot for this game and for us players.
     
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    I'll agree with this one... She's been with UO since before Garriott left she's paid her dues, it's time to give her the rewards for her diligence.
     
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  22. Woodsman

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    BioWare has a massive presence in Central Texas these days.
    Agreeing with this hard. I know she's been working on UO since Lord Blackthorn's Revenge, so she should be coming up on 10 years. That is so rare I can't think of many others that put that many years into UO.

    I don't want them putting somebody in the producer's chair who isn't currently attached to the UO team, that's for sure. If they bring in somebody new, it will take them god knows how many months to get up to speed. It might result in some new ideas, but in the end they would still have the same small team and same small budget that currently exists, and and somebody new trying to put their stamp on UO with such a small team and budget would only be digging a deeper hole for UO. They need to finish what they started earlier this year and see how that plays out.

    Plus, you might get somebody who doesn't care about UO and just sees it as a stepping stone to something bigger within EA, and without any kind of existing commitment, they won't care what happens to UO.
     
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    I voted Yes not because I think EA would offer or Garriott would accept the position, but as a simple illustration of my desire to see more "Ultima" in Ultima Online. And not just as a stealing of the setting for something completely unrelated to the spirit of the games, like the Lords of Ultima browser game. We need more visionaries and imagination in our game worlds, rather than just endless hyper-polished and polished with hype response-reward addiction models disguised as games.
     
  24. Kayne

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    Exactly, UO needs to recapture (in a new way) what made the game great and not keep giving us more pixel-crack. We have more items than we will ever have use for.
    - Bring us gameplay and new quests to complete (gargoyle-human for instance) give us new monsters outside of the abyss.
    - Give us things for newer and less skilled players to hunt.
    - Make old dungeons useful.
    - Give us more reasons to interact away from peerless and champ spawns. We don't need more group fights we need more community.
     
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    I voted yes. If he does come back, that will mean EA will throw a ton of money at UO.

    However, I dont think it will happen because NetDragon's 3D UO and Ultima4Ever are already in the works. Why fork out any money, when NetDragon is going to take all of the risk.
     
  26. Calliope

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    If EA brought anyone from the game's past back as producer, i'd vote for Raph Koster - Designer Dragon that was. All the core of UO owes its existence to him.
     
  27. Woodsman

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    Are you being serious? Don't you remember how they treated him the last time around? After reading Ultima Aira, they've probably got it right - Garriott wants to use some characters or settings from Ultima in his New Britannia game, and EA wouldn't let him.
    I'm not so sure it's in production, it seems like things have changed since the Ultima4Ever website went live. Paul Barnett, who is behind the Ultima4Ever thing, is spending a lot of his time these days trying to sell the Warhammer arena game.

    When he does talk about his "secret" Ultima4Ever project, it seems like he's trying to sell it to EA executives and he's having a hard time finding somebody to support or fund him. He's flown out to California to show it to executives out there, and now he's in England showing a test version to some executives there, according to his latest twitter postings. He's definitely not giving it 100% of his attention and when he does mention it, a lot of his time seems tied up in trying to sell it to executives.

    It's good for UO though, because with somebody making him go out there and sell the Warhammer arena game rather than funding or supporting his Ultima4Ever project, that means Warhammer is probably in worse shape out of the three Mythic games.
     
  28. Woodsman

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    If they want to put more "Ultima" in Ultima Online, they could start stressing the virtues and do something with them in-game. Playing back through Ultima IV again, it's more clear than ever that things like the virtues need to be mentioned in a more prominent way in-game.
    God yes.

    Koster understood that Tram/Fel were not the solutions to PKing/griefing/etc.
    UO and SWG (and EQII) or the parent comapnies seemed to have soured him a bit on working directly on MMOs though.
     
  29. GalenKnighthawke

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    Based upon the quote you present, I don't want this guy (the name itself means nothing to me because, while I did play back then, I wasn't anywhere near up on who was in charge or what they were doing; I just played) anywhere near UO.....

    This is a near-total denial of reality.

    -Galen's player
     
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    So true, so true.............would be nice to see players taxed for their seven deadly sins......not necessarily in gold, but in some shape or form.

    Utlima WAS based on virtues, and honestly, taking on the virtues shouldn't be an option but a mandatory action everyday you log on.

    Say what you will, deafness will prevail.
     
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    I doubt it will happen. If Garriot does this, it will be out of Compassion to HIS Ultima and how he wanted it to be- And how EA managed to completely tear it apart.

    To start with, I doubt that EA would EVER consider this.

    But I'm Signing, it's what SHOULD happen.
     
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    With the Gargoyle scenario coming to an end sooner or later, according to Ultima lore we'll be moving from Ultima VI to Ultima VII, with the raise of the Fellowship, the Black Gate, and ultimately The Guardian.

    U7 has been the most successful Ultima game (both in playing and financial terms). This is something big, worthy of a full new expansion. Who better that Garriott could pull this out?

    Beside, if we continue to follow Ultima lore (remember that "history cannot be denied. It may be diverted, delayed - even altered to a degree - but never denied"), at some point we'll be moving to Pagan before coming back to a very different Britannia and I can see an opportunity here for major changes, including some shard mergers. Again something big.

    Now I don't think Garriott would want to manage day to day operations, he hated fixed deadlines at the time and now he's a billionaire and certainly not going to work as an employee with a daily schedule, especially far from home... But he *could* form a new joint-venture with EA and act as Chairman of the Board.
     
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    UO history doesn't always follow the single-player games. Most important of which is that while we may have an Avatar as a distant mythological figure, some say we don't even have that, we just have "The Stranger" who slew Mondain, and we surely don't have The Avatar in the same sense that the single-player games did.

    Also we had U5 with Casca instead of Blackthorn as the traitor figure and we did not have Stonegate Keep. Also we have had multiple "Revenge of the Enchantress" scenarios any of which could be analogous to Ultima 2, save that one of them occurred after the events considered to be most-equivalent to Ultima 3.

    Etc.

    -Galen's player
     
  34. MalagAste

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    Exactly.... Ultima was based on Values...

    I'm not sure what values it's based on now.... Greed? That's the impression I get.

    Seems even if you try to hold an event anymore what I notice right away is that no one wants to come unless they think it's going to net them something of value.

    Used to be you could hold a Poem writing contest and have at least a dozen entrants even though the only prize was recognition and a write up on Stratics or something.

    Now when you try that you are lucky if 4 or 5 people enter and everyone wants at least 10 million as first prize.

    And then there are those who show up to such events just to be rude and vulgar... (Thank goodness for ignore).

    My ignore list is so full anymore I can't see all the names on it.

    I'm totally disgusted by the behaviors of folk at EM events. The EM's put a lot of time and effort into giving us something new and entertaining to do... Be it a hunt, a puzzle or whatever... they put quite a lot of their own time and energy into planning and setting up events... I am so disgusted by those who tear it apart and shout vulgar, obscene things, and are disrespectful. Sadly nothing is done and it's almost like the horrible behavior is rewarded.

    It's come down to this... most of the decent folk have stopped going to EM events. They have said many times over that they just can't stand it. That they are upset about the behavior of those others... and NO ONE can understand WHY NOTHING is done about. The EM's have Zero control over the deplorable behaviors of those participating... and very little if anything has ever been done about it. Mostly a whole lot of talk and little to no action. So now only the most dedicated and the vile hordes are left attending events...

    The level of disrespect for others that I have seen is just completely inexcusable. Oh I know it's only a game and all but that does not excuse behavior on the scale that I've seen.
     
  35. Kayne

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    Ah so some people in Uhall do talk sense. I can't find anything quoted above to disagree with. Greed does seem to be the motivation its all about the gold and the pixel-crack and how much that set of pixels can sell for after the event is over.
    EM events aren't the solution because they generally fuel this greed. I think the events game wide are just as bad and the mobs they create are always uber powered and pointless to fight unless you got an army with you. Its this that made me take a huge break from UO for the best part of 2 years I got disillusioned with the events always being the same old same old and the lack of community that got worse and worse.
     
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    I voted no because currently, UO is more Diablo then the UO Richard created. Not saying the current UO is bad, I've grown to like it.

    But Richard jumping back in would no doubt change things - for better or worse who knows. But I know I dont want my current UO ruined - i liked diablo.

    Let him pick an era that he likes and go from there, but on NEW servers.
     
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    Does anyone remember last month or so, before the migration stuff when the devs posted a snippet of what was coming up, ie CuB, event ect.
    Down at the bottom of that post if i remember correctly was a line to the effect of 'and just wait till you guys see whos gonna be the next ruler of Britannia' (something like that)

    Perhaps this was in the pipeline for a while, perhaps its Lord British coming back to Britannia from the void, perhaps the talks with RG have been going for some time and Cal has moved onto Starwars or something?

    Just saying ;)
     
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    It would be funny if he actually became the producer because I suspect he would implement changes many current UO players would hate. Stealing in Trammel, he would probably make it happen.
     
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    No "near" about it, it's a complete denial of reality. While I liked DD in general, his choices to curb antisocial behavior didn't work at all. Murder counts, while annoying, were a mostly a joke (now, even more so). Stat loss had a bit of a bite, but if PKs were acting en mass it hardly mattered.
     
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    Well, we've gotten a lot of lip service about it from TPTB. "Promises" to station GMs at events to watch behavior and language. And, yet, we get the same damn people doing the same damn things at nearly every event without any repercussions.

    The EMs are basically having their events held hostage by the griefers and greedy item wanters time after time. I'm sure they just love being told their event sucks just because there isn't an item.

    Until Mythic grows a pair and starts suspending or banning for these behaviors we'd all better get used to ridiculously long ignore lists and massive amounts of wasted time at events.
     
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    I would like for him to acquire the rights to the Ultima franchise, start a new studio, and make some more Ultima single-player games.

    This would make me immeasurably happy. Beyond immeasurably!
     
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    Exactly.

    *sighs*
     
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    I think he should just come up with a new game. Uo is what it is.
     
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    Mesanna said this stuff about the EM events and what did you really expect? That it all would be fixed and taken care of? I'll answer that with a big fat..... NOPE!!!!! Empty promises again as usual.

    I voted No for RG. It's not the UO he made and you can't take steps backwards if you want the game to move forward. The classic shard debate ( which I supported it) settled that argument on stratics here so RG would be like bringing back a......."classic"


    Hopefully they will bring in an outsider with fresh new ideas.
     
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    UO has come a long way since it began, so while it may be "what it is," it's not what it once was and there is still room for improvements and further changes, which the majority who voted in the poll seem to think Garriot would be a good choice for the job. And he is working on a new game called Lord British's New Britannia. I think the title alone shows that Ultima is still on his mind.
     
  46. Kayne

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    I think if we had some idea of where he would take UO if he came back now that would settle whether he would be good or bad for UO as it is now
     
  47. Woodsman

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    If you look at what he's working on, it's not an MMORPG as we know it so a lot of people who play UO might not take to it - he's gone fully into the whole social/Facebook gaming thing and a lot of UO players seem to not like the Facebook games.

    His speech about the three eras of gaming is interesting - he is certainly practicing what he preaches - he spent nearly 20 years in single RPGs, nearly 10 years in MMORPGs, and now he's putting everything into the social/Facebook gaming. He's always pushed technology.

    He's really loving his new Portalarium thing, because he will no longer have to deal with any big publishers, since they will be the ones directly publishing to Facebook, iPhones, etc. That's a lot of freedom and I wouldn't be surprised if more big names follow him.
     
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    I agree this is the case on most shards. But I know at least one shard who's EMs have a zero tolerance policy for swearing and acting up. They (EMs) are respectful, polite and stern. And they have implemented some pretty decent tools for dealing with griefers. Some of the events are clever and challenging in other ways than just mass monster bashing. So I think it can be done without intervention from higher up. Just a little observation and training.
     
  49. Woodsman

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    The new Sims Facebook game picked up 30 million users in a month. Garriott will rake it in if he can get a 10th of that.

    err, was meaning to post this in the other RG thread, but this will suffice.
     
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    Not to disagree Woodsman (by the way, I agree with almost everything you post), but to add on to this post... I follow RG's stuff too and believe he's got more in mind with social gaming than just pumping out BritanniaVille.

    Like the three eras of gaming... the first two eras developed, refined and matured. Social gaming is still in the development stage of it's era... it hasn't refined and matured yet. Social gaming is in a crude, exploratory time... much like Meridian 59, MUDs and even UO back in '96 through '98. Just as those games created the genre, EQ and WoW raised the bar and redefined the MMO genre... just as GW2 and SWTOR are expected to be the 3rd gen MMOs that raise the bar and set a new standard.

    RG sees social gaming as going to back to simplicity to draw casual gamers with some basic MMO design elements thrown into the mix. Like crafting, interaction, reliance and player created content... things that RG excels at. He believes that social games today are sorely underdeveloped, but with proper design and today's & tomorrow's technology... he can create social games that rivals the best MMOs, that would be the second stage of the social game era.