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Pets Following Orders?? When are we going to see a fix that pats actually attack what you tell them

Discussion in 'UHall' started by weins201, Aug 23, 2013.

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  1. weins201

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    Hm when anytime soon , sad that pets wander off and attack whatever they want of a PvPer just keeps targeting it and it get drug off int no mans land WTF fix it already please
     
  2. Aran

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    Sounds like you need more Animal Taming skill?
     
  3. Martell

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    I don't get it? Are you upset that when someone targets your pet automatically targets that person and fights back? This isn't a bug or anything that needs fixing, get more taming or make better macros. "all stop" followed by "all follow me" (and if it's ridable then mount) works for most everyone.
     
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  4. MalagAste

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    Aye "All Stop" Is your friend use it.
     
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    Um NO i don't need more skill , more training, or better Macros I KNOW how to tame and command an animal but they still stop fighting their commanded target and go after something else, which they are NOT supposed to do, Issue was fixed a long while ago but has since reappeared. It is a Glitch and needs to be fixed

    Seriously you guy even bringing that crap up is sad.
     
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    Spell better next time and maybe more people will understand what you're talking about. Recording the bug happening would be even better but that might be too much effort.
     
  7. Kylie Kinslayer

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    The "All Stop" "All Follow Me" command used to work really well. Here lately it is working less and less, and I am talking about in PvM. Also pets commonly get hung up on mobs in Tram like they would in Fel for some dang reason, this is really prevalent in the revamped dungeons. They also turn blue REALLY fast in certain dungeons too. Lots of buggy things have resurfaced recently when it comes to tamers.
     
  8. claudia-fjp

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    An example. A Greater Dragon is surrounded by 5 monsters. You tell it to attack monster X which is dangerous, it hits it once then goes back to attacking monster Y which is less of a threat. Quite annoying and stupid.
     
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    Agreed fully. When hitting level 3 Covetous anytime a lich, demon mongbat or covetous wrym approaches I tell the drag to kill it... it walks toward it turns around, and starts chomping on a drake or some other thing. Pets should target and stay on what the player wants targetted just like a dexxer will target what it wants and stays on it.
     
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    a player once posted about pets, which still cracks me up, goes something like this (greater dragon)

    1. it is stronger than you
    2. more powerful than you
    3. has more skill than you
    4. maybe it has decided that IT is the one that should be giving orders!

    does this help, no, but it makes me laugh ;)
     
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  12. Kylie Kinslayer

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    Shoot... I talked the thing into coming along with me, got it home and tied it to a post then spent the next week beating it into submission with a club... it should know who to listen to ;) maybe I need to tie it back to the post and beat it more hmmmmmm
     
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    I know when my dragon starts attacking something, sometimes all stop/all follow me only half works. Sure, the dragon will stop attacking... But then it just stands there getting beaten on. It doesn't matter how many times I command it to follow, it just continues sitting there.
     
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    And you wonder why it turns on you? Shame on you!

    I spent the week after I brought mine home bathing it in luxury, trimming and sharpening it's claws, polishing it's scales, combing it's fur, getting all the snarls and burrs out of it's main or tail... or tails... cleaning it's teeth, etc... and delousing it... until it loved me unconditionally... My pets do what I ask them to because they love me and they know I'll take care of them let them eat all the gross brains and body parts they desire... feed them only the best of apples and peaches... And save them when they are in danger.
     
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    This is an annoying bug that comes when it loses the target of something it wants to kill.... sometimes it gets fixed when I tell my pet to stop and stay and I invis him for awhile. Usually that will clear it up.
     
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    But you hide and stealth with something attacking you and it will follow you around while you are hidden like an obedient puppy...
     
  17. dupapa

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    totally agree, tell pet to kill x, its one hits them, then continues to kill what ever it chooses, yes the all stop and all kill and select again sometimes works,

    but it never used to be like this, i live with the fact it is borked, but it does get annoying when you cannot get your pet to kill the strongest monster that is currently attacking it!!
     
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    I've noticed this in shame pvm scenarios as well. Spot on Kylie.
     
  19. Wenchkin

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    Ok, firstly if you start a thread with effectively a 1 sentence rant with no real details to it, folk aren't going to give you the most constructive response. Nor are you going to really get a fix from the devs, because if they can't understand exactly what the problem is and the steps to reproduce it, it's never going to happen.

    I can't remember a time when my pets didn't respond as I expected them to. I don't have issues with pets ignoring me when they should or not responding to stop commands. Yet other tamers do. The question I'd like to answer is why? Are we doing something different when we use those pets and what differences are there that could be causing this.

    Firstly, check your macros. If a stop/follow command is not working as expected, put a pause between the commands and then try it. Increase it a few times and retest until there is a very obvious break between the commands and you hear a pet respond twice. Then you can rule that option out. It's very easy to get those two commands coming too quickly and the pet isn't responding right, and even when you have it working you can sometimes find lag causes the commands to misfire and screw up. If my pets don't behave as I expect them to, I look at my macros. I haven't found an issue that persisted beyond that tweak.

    Secondly, I know some of you will scowl at me but double check your skill vs the control requirements of your pets on Stratics. There have been incidents where pets weren't following commands and it was lack of control. I've had players adamant they knew everything and had checked their skill, but the calculator they used wasn't giving the right results. If your skill is not enough for 99% control, you will have problems with pets. Try commanding pets which you can control without skill items too, note if those are also misbehaving or if it's just the higher end ones.

    Thirdly, feed those pets. I find a lot of players feed at most once a day thinking a successful command pulls their happiness up and that's it taken care of. I feed my pets regularly so I *know* they are wonderfully happy. This is another thing I would do the second my pets refused a command or weren't behaving - feed them. I tend to feed pets when I claim them, then when I do a bank run or take a coffee break. Which works out about once an hour. But this may be why I have less issues with commanded pets, so it's worth trying.

    Fourth, are these issues affecting all of your pets the same or just the greater dragons? I hear this complaint a lot and all of you sound like you're using dragons. It may be a bug with greater dragons rather than control in general. Another reason why I probably wouldn't see this issue - I don't use greaters.

    Another one that will get the scowls - are your pets being given commands like "all kill" or "petname kill" because the latter is the one you should use at every opportunity. If your pet loses line of sight from you and you say all kill, it won't do it. If you then use petname kill it will. The same seems to apply if the pet and it's target aren't within line of sight of each other. I rarely see tamers using commands with pet names in, but there is a real difference when you compare all kill with petname kill.

    Wenchy
     
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    I can't remember pets being unresponsive either (unless I was on Test & forgot to set my skills, but that's my own fault & doesn't really count here, haha), though it happened once way back. That was also my fault, though I no longer remember the specifics.

    to respond to your tips:

    3) Yes. I do this frequently. If they scowl, I look for the food they need & feed them, or give my White Wyrm a single gold coin. Provided I had my jewelry on, I've never had an issue with the loyalty rating, even when dealing with multiple monsters.

    4) If the OP is having trouble with a Greater, it's probably his control chance. If so, OP, I suggest getting your taming up - Lore is easy to raise just by fighting.

    5) Did not know this. I've used "Petname follow" in the Doom Gauntlet for tracking Shadow Knights, but that's the only time. I very rarely use other "Petname whatever" commands, though I'm also very rarely out of their line of sight, so it's never really been an issue for me. Will have to do it more often, at any rate.
     
  21. weins201

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    SADLEY you have ABSOLUTY no clue what you are talking about- pets following comand and doing what they where to WAS fixed. It was a Problem in PvP that somone could just target your pet Agro Over ad Over and they FIXED it so you pet would actually FOLLOW you or stay targeted on what you CAMMOANDED it to, so dont tell me it wont be fixed when it alreay once was. Also it has NOTHIng to do with feeding skilles or ANYTHING other than BROKEN AI reintroduced for some reaso.

    THIS WAS ONCE FIXED and NOW IS BROKE (YES BROKEN) and and need to be fixed.
     
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    Wow, talk about going berserk over some really good tips. I would definitely take Wenchkin's tips, regardless of whether or not you think it's broken.
     
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    They are good tips, but if your pet still behaves differently than commanded... its still broken regardless of how good the tips are.
     
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    How about you step off that high dread horse for a moment and leave you "I know it all" attitude at the door for just one second. You are not the only one who knows how taming and pet control works, or the only tamer who has fought in PvP. I am trying to help you and you are acting like a spoiled child with a temper tantrum. How is that going to help you in the slightest?

    If there is a bug we need to eliminate obvious causes of control issues before we can say it is a bug. If you don't believe control, macros and feeding have any bearing on how well your commands are working, then I would suggest you do have a significant gap in your taming knowledge. Those factors are just as much a part of taming in PvP as they are in PvM. I suggest you calm down, double check what I suggested and if you still have trouble, fill in a calm and detailed bug report.

    Wenchy
     
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    This is true, and if you have that problem after you've checked anything, that's the point at which you send in a really detailed bug report to the devs and ideally also post it on the tamers forum so we can all try it and see if we can narrow down the cause a bit further. If there is a bug then we all want it fixed and it's in our interests to test, report bugs and work together. But if someone just insists something is broken and isn't prepared to check their setup then they are going to hit a brick wall of their own making.

    Wenchy
     
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    Why people assume the op has not checked his setup before posting makes me smile You all responded as if it was user error on his behalf, i know my pet gd is acting weird and i agree it seems its only my gd, but honestly ive got the max control chance, and hes wonderfully happy, just not very obediant..

    Granted next best step is to file a detailed report, if this helps at all, my real skill stops at 100 and before ANYONE says its control chance i for sure have at all times 120 tame an lore by jwls. The reason i mention jwls is i wonder if having real skill cures it??

    To the OP, my setup, feed, skills are all in check an i too have the issue.

    Thanks for the tips guys but sadly i have to agree, it is borked and has been a while,

    Sent from my GT-I9305 using Tapatalk 2
     
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    Well if a tamer starts a thread with one angry sentence and no details, any experienced tamer is going to suggest they calm down and do some checks and provide more info *grins* I don't know exactly what the OP does or doesn't know. No amount of knowledge makes you immune to lag and macro glitches :) The more someone claims to know the less likely they are to have sat down and calmly checked things. We've all thought "oh everything is set up, it must be a bug" we're not being nasty suggesting basic checks, we know how often we've cursed ourselves for skipping those tests too. Then found it was something basic. So it's important that tamers of all abilities sit down, check stuff and try to answer questions calmly when others try helping them.

    I keep seeing issues with players and often GDs seem involved, this is partly why I'm wondering if tamers are having issues with all their pets or just the GDs. If I was you I would hop onto test centre and set your real skill up to 120 tame and lore, tame a GD and try to duplicate the basics of your setup on test. Then see if you are still having control issues. If you find it fixes you having 120 skill, try lowering skill to 110 and retest. Then try 105 with skill items to 110. 105 is just above the minimum taming skill for a GD but when you have equal or above that minimum your chances of control get a nice boost. If you peek at the control formula you'll see a penalty for having less than min skill. This could be why you're having issues at 100. I remember one of my younger tamers had similar grumpy GD issues when her skill was below the minimum taming and she boosted with skill items. I just left her GD stabled till she had more skill and then it seemed to resolve itself. So it may be worth checking that. It shouldn't affect your control, but if it does then I'd like to hear about it.

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    I've gotten pleny annoyed with this on my mage as well. I will usually just cast EVs and then drag in 20 or so baddies through them. Coupled with Chain Lightning I can usually wipe out an army in a few seconds. I tried it with the Earth Elementals going in guarding me and I ended up having to wait for them to die. Took a long time, but they did eventually die. I think they just puffed since they don't aggro.

    Perhaps a command to have pets go crazy and attack everything near them? That would be fun with a Greater Dragon ;)
     
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    Jewels don't actually matter. It's the same as real skill if you've got it high enough.

    As for why we're assuming it's the OP's fault with his setup: because it likely is. Whether you're at 120/120 with jewels or without, it makes no difference. I can't really speak to the PvP side of taming, as going to Fel on my Tamer was something I didn't do very often, but with a large group of people, it CAN affect the pet's targeting - people running away, invis'ing, and someone else going aggro on it.

    It happens while PvM'ing too, which is an annoyance to me. It depends on my mood, but if my pets are surrounded by a huge mob, I want to kill the weaker stuff first. They don't always target the "correct" monster though.

    Also, it could just be mere statistical variance. It's a 99% control chance at maximum, but that doesn't necessarily mean you can't get a scowl X # of times before you issue a successful command. That is, however, extremely unlikely to happen, so I'd say you could probably safely ignore this.
     
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    Let look at the TOP of the Post "PETS FOLLOWING ORDERS?" That is the problem plain and simple has NOTHIGN TO DO WITH SKILL, FOOD, PET TYPE, or ANYTHING else it is a simple problem that the pet decides to retarget just like the AI for a NON tamed critter is. WAS FIXED and is broken again, I know reading is hard but the POST HEADING is the problem what I posted in the bodyy means NOTHING. Yes bug report posted, MANY times very explicit and descriptive.

    I am reporting my own pot as it was basically a rant and needs to be locked as all replies are usless.
     
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