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Pinco's - dead in the water

Discussion in 'UHall' started by Yadd of Legends, Apr 1, 2015.

  1. Yadd of Legends

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    I haven't heard anything about or from @Pinco in quite a while, and glitches keep piling up, such as an inability to do about anything that requires clicking on your character or an NPC. I have to switch to default EC about every time I want to do a vendor search, buy something from a player vendor, click on "toggle item quest" - I don't have the energy to list all the problems. As much as I like a lot of the features of Pinco's, I could never recommend it to another player as it is. What's up?
     
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    No money for continuing the development of the UI, I believe.
    Since the release of the new default UI, I only use Pinco for very specific reasons, like t-hunting and gathering seeds.
     
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    That's sad, because it continues to go downhill without maintenance.
     
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    I don't know why Broadsword doesn't just hire him, at least part time and let him put his stuff in the default. Reading some of the posts between the lines, not sure Pinco got along with the Broadsword folks very well.
    However, without Pinco's I won't use EC and if I have to go back to the CC, not sure I will even do that, gamebreaker for me I think and I'm sure a lot of folks feel the same.
     
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    The current balance of the project is so low that it should have been dead at the end of march if it wasn't for a last minute donation that bought 2 extra months of life...

    The vendor search works fine, just make sure you have the sort by price enabled.
    The context menu can't be improved any further.
    For what I know there are just a couple other marginal bugs that will be fixed in the future...
     
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    Sounds like you need to reinstall or something, I don't have any problem with any of the stuff you mentioned. I have to click twice on a "buy" command from an NPC but I can tolerate that. I did a whole bunch of Farmer Nash quests to get stuff for a guildie to train imbuing and never had one problem with marking quest item. I open Vendor Search and use it just fine. I click on my character all the time without problem.
     
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    I love your work, Pinco.
    But the vendor search doesn't work fine. You can't enable sort by price, because the window doesn't stay open to allow me to do it. I switch to default and enable search by price, but it doesn't stick when I switch back to Pinco's. I've just given up on it and switch to default for vendor search and buying from player vendors (the problem there is it won't let me click on an item and buy it after I use the vendor map to open the container containing the item).
    I was trying to turn in a quest yesterday and could not get a cursor when I clicked on the toggle quest item item and couldn't get toggle quest item to come up on my character. So, again, I logged out, logged back in with default, completed the quest, logged out, then logged back into Pinco's.
    I'm making two points.
    1. Not many players are going to go to all that trouble.
    2. I wish Broadsword would acknowledge the immense value of Pinco's and support it - it's in their own best interest to do so
     
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    CC 4 eva - hehe
     
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    You might win this one by default
     
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    Those old pre- human history, etc, etc, folks who wrote the CC did know how to make a good client didn't they?

    A skill being lost to time.
     
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    I think you have to go into the CC and set it Yadd and then it should stay in the EC.

    And Pinco... I'd love to keep donating if that's what it takes. But you rejected my autopay... And I have the memory of a thimble... I wish others would continue to support your UI as well. My guess is they just don't understand the time and effort you put in. And I agree with Yadd they should have hired you permanently even if it is in a Part time position... Obviously no one there really seems to get the EC.

    I'm still waiting on a fix for the insane lag issue with EM events. Even with a new computer that gets a rating of 7.8.... with internet that has a ping of 25 and speedtests at 115 regularly I'm still locking up for almost a min everytime I die and still opening a public corpse while it doesn't crash the client it does make it "not responding" for almost 2 full min even with the change to loot sorting Pinco put in... and everything else.

    My guess is the DEV's finally found the straw to break this camels back and they WANT me to drop all my accounts and tell them where to stick them... It just takes all the fun out of it for me... even if I get a drop every now and then. I'm so frustrated...

    This wasn't an issue BEFORE you borked the system by updating it I have No clue why it is now. It doesn't work without Pinco's in the Default either.

    And I'm NOT going back to playing in the CC ever... It's EC or nothing for me.
     
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    Sorry you are having so many issues Yadd. I have none of those issues and I use Pinco's exclusively. Wasn't aware the project was going broke and that can't happen. Off to throw some $ at my hero!
     
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    How many times have I reinstalled and rebuilt my characters? I've lost count. That's my point. Nobody should have to do this for a game to work.
     
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    Ironic how all the EC fanboi's have a pop at the CC needing UO Assist to make up for its shortfalls, and here we have the so called 'enhanced' client that is a pile of crap without third party intervention.
     
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    The EC is designed to have customized UI done by those who can and are willing to do it anyone can create a UI for the EC and can offer it to the masses should they so desire. It's designed to allow you to customize things like the look of backpacks, paperdolls, spell and special move icons and most everything that you interact with including the chat log, your menu's for things like your stat's your profile and anything else... That's the beauty of the EC. You can "remove" a bunch of "bulk" if you like from the EC ...... totally change the layout and look of paperdolls, etc..... what you CAN'T change are things in the game window itself like trees, walls, grass, etc.... you can't change the way the mobs look you can't change the way your character looks or how any of those things move... It's LUA and it's in most modern games like WoW and FF...

    The 2d client was NEVER designed to have such things be customizable. That is the difference.

    The reason it's a pile of smeg without a custom UI is because the DEV's didn't ever intend to offer any customizations in the UI. It's bare bones. They intended for US to do that.
     
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    Oh the 2d got custom treatment all the time to the 3rd power. And over a decade ago I mentioned they should hire those asshats if they wanted to make the game better.

    I'd comment on anything about the game, but one problem. Been so long that I did anything more then fish, mine or BoDs. And that carrot has been snatched from the stick so long now I have mindlessly wandered on those grinds. If it wasn't for the trash points I'd played even less. Currently I have been getting in the mood to get my charracters all on blue beetle and cleaning houses. I just grab those things in those three historic houses don't want to try to regain again. Most likely wont even put in the effort to trade the houses to save them. In theese hard time money spent on entertainment should at least be entertaining.

    Don't hate the game. Just nothing for me new that interest me. It is the old that interest me and it is well, old. Relearning PVP or soloing bosses lameness not an option.
     
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    All it is modding ( or can be called soft modding ) the client which is legal. BroadSword is over DaoC and you can mod the UI on that game. Used to run some mods in my Warhammer days.

    You can even mod the Xbox even though it will void the warranty.
     
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    the price sort must be activated with CC or the old default. That's a problem of some characters that used the vendor search and never activated the price sort, nowdays the price sort is activated automatically, but for those characters must be activated manually and there is no automatic fix for that. Simply if the price sort is not active the gump doesn't work.

    The context menu cannot be improved, use the actions or disable the target window buttons if you have trouble with that because I can't do anything else...

    it's not better, is just older and when it had problems like the EC has now there was several people working on it to making it work. Now there is simply not enough manpower to make it right for good, so you should be happy that at least you can play it :D

    I'm not rejecting it, it's just paypal that says "we are unable to process and we will try next week" until it stops it for too many failures...

    The true problem is the entire loot system. They should just give everyone his share of loot (no public loot with thousands items), with few decent items and a chance of high end for a total of 3-4 items and some gold.
    Once upon a time this game had only the public loot with few items in it, but since ML they started to add bosses with huge amount of trash in order to give everyone something, and then was the time the loot system started to go in the wrong path... now it's just insane.
     
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    I agree the loot is insane. I miss looking at it though.
     
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    I've been quoted a couple of time but all BS. Fact is this so called 'enhanced' client is actually more reliant than the CC on a 3rd party programme to make it workable. The EC was a complete failure and a complete wast of time.
     
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    <Ducks like Mesanna is after his hide!> :lol:
     
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    Fine, we want it fixed
     
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    Yeah sorry no

    The macro system is still infinitely better with the default UI in the EC than it ever has been in the CC.
     
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    Shh, they're gonna call you a care bear cheater
     
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    I mostly play with the default EC ui since the revamp.
    It works pretty well for pretty much everything. I just use Pinco to gather seeds, to save an insane amount of clicks and to t-hunt, because zooming the map is a must when you are running 1080p and being able to loot the chest items with a right click is a life saver too.
     
  27. MalagAste

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    NO. You can run the default EC VERY easily and on more "modern" computers it's actually FAR superior to the CC and runs MUCH faster.

    I can set up a new character in less than 2 min in the EC and be ready to roll.
     
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    Opinion, not fact. Anyhoo ... this isnt a CC vs EC thread, i was just highlighting that it isnt really as 'enhanced' as you'd all like to think. They should have named it the Alternative Client
     
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    Trust me the bonus's added to the EC like dressing in 1 click... changing weapon/talisman/quiver in one click... targeting, T-hunting, fishing up MIB's... etc... as well as having everything in it's own little slot and never having to search for that silly ring or whatever that always seems to go UNDER stuff in your pack in the CC FAR outweigh the troubles...

    And the EC runs better on my computer. If I had to return to the CC or quit.. I'd quit.
     
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    And if the CC was eliminated or became unsupported, leaving the EC has the only UI to play the game with, I'd leave . The EC seriously does not click with me. It just hangs all over the screen and game window making getting really into the game impossible. The CC isn't like that which, as shy of bells & whistles as it is, is it's magic.
     
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    Why are we even discussing classic client vs enhanced client? Both are official clients and both should be working - that's the issue
     
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    Oh I agree but I get VERY tired of hearing how either the EC with Pinco's is some cheat.... and I get tired of explaining what a UI "is".... to people that think it's doing something "illegal" or unintended like those third party programs folk like to use for the CC.

    Back when the EC first began there were at least a dozen folk doing mods for the LUA ..... But I think when they felt that the EC wasn't really being supported and things were at their worst.. many of them quit. And for a long time we all used the default and the only mods many of us ran that were intentional changes to the LUA were decorative. Then Pinco came along and everyone LOVED the things Pinco was adding. Many others who had done things incorporated their designs for colors and schemes into Pinco's UI. Things were great... except eventually the "base" UI got to be so... user unfriendly that many folk got frustrated trying to use it and never understood about the fact that it was DESIGNED to be modded.

    Many games that are that way have people constantly putting out mods for the game. There are quite a few of them out there and it's awesome. UO has one or two that actively advertise what they do and offer it to the public..... now that's not to say that there aren't folk out there who use their OWN UI. It's entirely possible that there indeed are folk using a UI of their own creation. They are NOT in any way obligated to "share". And hence my support of Pinco! Because Pinco shares and does an AMAZING and wonderful job. I could never do. I haven't a clue what most of the stuff means or does. I get a sort of "idea"... but it's really limited. But everyone agreed long ago that the default UI of the EC needed help... and Pinco was the one for the job.

    Now sadly I'm not sure what the DEV's really did with the work but it seemed after the default UI was put in things got funky with looting and dying... I'm hoping they get that worked out because it's REALLY frustrating.

    And I too get tired of the EC vs CC debate... but I will NOT sit by and have folk say that Pinco's is some sort of "cheat" program or something like the old UOAssist... the major difference is UOAssist came along with folk moding the game which was NOT intended to be modded. The EC however is DESIGNED to be Modded. Major difference.
     
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    Just one small example: I tried to use a race change token the other day, couldn't get it to work in EC. I happened to remember a previous thread saying race change tokens don't work in EC. What? why not? I had to start the CC - good thing I already had it downloaded, or that would have been another hour wasted - and then make the change and then restart EC. But, since I'm used to the color schemes of EC, I ended up picking a skin tone for my gargoyle that I don't like, but I'm stuck with it (body sculptors won't help gargoyles - why not?).
    Why is Broadsword still asking players to do this kind of stuff?
    Who is it that always ends his posts, "Fix the EC"?
     
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    @Yadd of Legends. Buy a skin tincture from an alchemist, pretty sure they work on gargoyles!
     
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    Excellent, thanks, Dot. Now he's a happy little gargoyle :)
     
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    I"ve downloaded and occasional log in on the EC, but it my mind, it will always be the Wiki Client.
     
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    Able to be modified by just about any one.
     
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    How can you say you are sure that would be a gamebreaker for a lot of folks??? A vast majority have played EC and have gone back to the CC. CC is by far the busier client, last time I saw the numbers it wasnt even close. It is great for you to have an opinion...but try to avoid speaking for a lot of others...just makes you look silly!
     
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    I left for a couple years, have the numbers shifted that much? They had been routinely running pretty much half favoring each in the polls back then. What were the numbers in the latest polls?
     
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    Really? Saw what numbers? A Stratics poll? We all know these Stratics polls mean nothing at all, outside the small number taking the poll. I would guess you're basing your perception on the circle of players you talk to in game? That's valid as far as it goes, but I haven't seen the same thing. I'd like to see some evidence from the developers, or whoever else officially keeps track of these things,
     
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    NO OFFENCE...BUT.. heh

    Things like auto remove weapon on blood oath and a couple handful of other things in EC.. Are straight up cheats.. Things that can only be done in CC via shady programs.

    Yes EC was ment to be modded but some of those mods make the others look bad... And using the word cheat sums it up. *stirs*

    That being said pinco did some amazing work and parts of EC are amazing and make the game nice looking and ez to read... I just like the classic look that's it. :)
     
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    The last time Mesanna mentioned client usage numbers, it was 50/50. The EC has made many strides in the last few years, especially with Pinco's UI added.

    The people who continually badmouth it, without actually earnestly* trying it when it is updated, not only do themselves a disservice, but do a disservice to the future of UO.


    *By earnestly, I mean play it for more than a few scant minutes. You need to give it at least a week to actually learn it.
     
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    I never found the auto remove blood oath all that big a deal. If you're paying attention, it's just hitting one key to tab out of war mode anyway. Is it really such a game breaker?
     
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    Well no not a game breaker just something that takes away "paying attention".. And Im viewing.this from a pvp stand point. Just an example of something in EC that can't be done in cc without some type of third party program.

    But yeah in no way game breaking.. Just nills the effect of one of the mainly used spells in necro. A complaint i have heard in the past.
     
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    To continue our off topic side discussion, I don't PvP, but if I did, it would seem you'd be more concerned that I can see twice as much of the battlefield with the EC than you can with the CC. It would seem to give me an advantage seeing a bola coming, for instance, and seeing where to run. No?
     
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    Heh.. Well maybe a tad.. But casting ranges are the same so it has never been an issue for me. But alot use EC to pvp because of it being smoother when you ping horrible on a server that is popular.

    Ill bow out now because being a cc user i can't assist in this EC topic.

    What i have seen of EC though and pinco is awesome i would use it if they had a classic art option with EC bells and whistles!!
     
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    EC also lets you auto run around trees / obstacles. another huge advantage in pvp. I'll admit, EC is one of the reasons i dont pvp really anymore. its either run CC with cheats to compete with EC "legal features" or use EC and just not have a look of what i personally associate with UO.

    Ideally, i would have liked to see a modern client (i dont consider EC modern) that took the graphics of CC, enanced the resolution for modern machines and added a very simple UI with some of the more useful EC features (minus the automated stuff)
     
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    Exactly - make it so.
     
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  50. Smoot

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    yep, i just enjoy UO for what it is. at the very least, since we do currently have 2 clients, both should at least be working properly. pretty basic expectation i think.
     
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