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Pinco's UI tests the boundaries (again)

Discussion in 'UHall' started by Mervyn, Dec 1, 2013.

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  1. Mervyn

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    The Auto-toggle war mode puts you in peace when hit by blood oath, and recovers the war mode after invisibility/hiding.



    I believe this script has crossed the boundaries. It's not so dissimilar to automatically setting off a trapped box upon paralisation.

    Discuss
     
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  2. Thrakkar

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    So it's cool, now what?

    As long as I doesn't brew coffee, I'm not impressed.
     
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    I think hes suggesting that this script is borderline cheating.
     
  4. Thrakkar

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    Nahhh, it's just doing what the player would do anyway. Without delay. Instantly. So you don't have to pay that close attention. It's making the game easier for let's say disabled people or more accessible to people with just one hand...
     
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    Well since timing is a big part (only part?) of UO skill, I see how people could view this as cheating.
     
  6. Winker

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    So that script miner is only doing what a player would do anyway, its just saving the person from being at the keyboard?
     
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    The script miner is for sure cheating, since this gives him advantage over his opponent in PvP.
    Pinco's UI is just doing one single click purely out of convenience...
     
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    My Miner is not too good a pvp even when he is running a healing script :(
     
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    .. and Gerard Butler just called me & said he was on the way to my house
    & couldn't wait to get together!
     
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    Simple TEST..... If someone was accomplishing the same effect using a SCRIPT people would definitely not be cool with it LoL.
     
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    Thrakkar Quotes:
    So it's cool, now what?
    As long as I doesn't brew coffee, I'm not impressed.

    Nahhh, it's just doing what the player would do anyway. Without delay. Instantly. So you don't have to pay that close attention. It's making the game easier for let's say disabled people or more accessible to people with just one hand...

    The script miner is for sure cheating, since this gives him advantage over his opponent in PvP.
    Pinco's UI is just doing one single click purely out of convenience...

     
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  12. Thrakkar

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    RueTor, just one thing:
    :thumbsup:
     
  13. JC the Builder

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    A macro isn't a macro when it does something for you automatically. This would be the same as if you opened a corpse and it automatically picked up the gold for you.
     
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    Wouldn't any player address scripting en masse over a one click "script"?
    With the lack of support from EA on many fronts I'm surprised you bothered to single out this one click option out of all the rest.
    That option has been in place for years.
    Why bring it up now?
     
  15. claudia-fjp

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    Now I'm confused since I don't use the EC.

    The way the OP reads you don't have to hit any button, no click, the ui does it for you. That is a nerf to necro mages and an unfair advantage in pvp. That = not ok.

    Your post talking about one click option sounds like it isn't automatic and the player has to hit a key. That = ok.
     
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    Why can't you be against both?
     
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    Ha, It seems penny wise and pound foolish to me.
    I think I'm against so many other things I just don't want to add more.
    It is automatic once you enable it in preferences.
    I'm surprised the EC is being talked about in regards to pvp. I thought most(legal) scripts were written for cc & uoa due to tenure.
     
  18. claudia-fjp

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    When the writer of uoassist wanted to add features like that he was told no by EA.

    The client should not automate reactions to situations.
     
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    Lol allwasy fun to see one the bigest scripters in uo crying about a feature, Only reason hes crying is cause he cant play a mage as it is hes a one combo pony with 0 skill and now they took away hal fhis combo if players dont hurt themselves he never kill anything :) poor merv hehe
     
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    If he's concerned about a little menu script, he obviously isn't that good of a scripter... if people knew half the things that are possible with scripting, their fuzzy little heads would explode. haha
     
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    yep that ones going to far. its cheating. i dont like it. basically it removes the "oops" which is why people use blood oath to begin with...
     
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    complaining about EC is stupid since its made by EA directly, they know what that client is capable of. you can do a lot more then just turn off war mode.. ;)

    the difference between the scripts with CC and EC is CC uses a 3rd party program, which is deemed illegal.
     
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    But UOA is an EA approved 3rd party program. Why would it be ok for the pinco mod to do these things, but not an approved program like UOA, which is allowed do all of the other things it does?
     
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    I know what you mean, but have to disagree. To agree would mean that every "exploit" such as flying bolas, throwing pots into houses, or damage changes is sanctioned by ea and is "right" simply because it exists. Thats why we have pvp changes and bug fixes. because the end result of something that was implemented, possibly without realizing the end result ramifications (intended or not) doesnt compliment the overall pvp values of the core of the game.
     
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    no because those 3rd party programs are made to control the client.
    pincos ui doesnt control anything, its built in. its by design.

    this really just shows how outdated the CC is and there will be a time where its inferior compared to EC.
    but really its a moot point as many pvp'rs dont use UOA..
     
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    Did you pull that out of the same place you got the idea that duping has anything to do with which client you use?
     
  27. Winker

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    I would have to disagree with you, I have fought against Merv for many years and i can assure you in 1v1 Mage fight you would die to him in less than 90 seconds.
     
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    You are biting the wrong hand here. Pinco has stated quite frequently that he is no longer playing the game and will update the MOD as long as he can, but it will not e forever and is currently identified as Dying on the status of the MOD Meter on his website(the next level is dead). EA doesn't pay for this MOD, and once he stops updating it, it is gone....not passing on to some other programmer.

    So I would stop pancakes about Pinco's and start pancakes about the CC or standard EA client, or for EA to pay Pinco. Because when Pinco's goes, this game is really going to suck.
     
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    Just because he stops making updates doesn't mean his mod will stop working. It will continue to work when he stops updating it, you just wont get anymore new stuff....
     
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    Wouldn't count on that, I know sometimes after EA patches the default client some of the stuff in Pinko's doesn't work until you patch with Pinko's after he updates it for the new patch. If Pinko's goes, so do my three accounts, so I agree with swroberts here, if EA don't either pay pinko or put in the majority of what he has into the EC then I for one am gone if it ever stops working and I know another 5 of my friends all with multiple accounts who will also go.
     
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    I'm agree with the first post in the topic. Automatic reaction to some condition must be treated as cheating. But I believe there shouldn't be one-hit-killing spells in the game. Especially taking in account how slow the client work if you have a good but not high-end video card. Before I upgraded my notebook I stopped every two steps when tried to run throw a champion spawn or Luna. And every my char has 100-120 Resisting Spells just to reduce Blood Oath damage. So I count that this small cheat is really a necessary correction to the game.
     
  32. Winker

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    Remove curse or eating an apple is the way to counter blood oath not by using a auto detect script to take you out of combat mode
     
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    If they stop making buggies, I'll never leave the house and walk to a market.

    If they stop making auto navigation flying cars, I'll never pull out grandpa's antique wheeled contraption and drive to town.

    Most UO players plpaying never left UO for greener pastures. If newer fancy games was that importent UO wouldn't had hit the 16th. If someone can argue "I was going to use a bandaid anyways." Then Yah, your doing UO wrong. That is not reducing clicking. "I was going to use my pickaxe in that spot ten more times anyways." Is a good reason to reduce clicking. Might be old fashion anyways. I refuse to cast spells and use the last target auto target feature in EC for a PVP/PVM targeting needs. Seems lazy and takes no skill. If a friend can't see the humor in taking an energy bolt to the back of the head, they might not be a friend.

    Now if they come out with an update for BOD filling. One that auto crafts/fills loose BODs in backpack. As long as your sitting at a crafters bench (container deco) and there are tools and mats in the bench. Just reducing all the table shuffling/make this many/fill target BOD add nauseum. It already took long enough to collect enough leather/bone or ingots just to fill a handful of BODs.

    Auto toggle for bloodoath is wrong. Now war mode when coming in out of hide, invis and gate/recalling should be an option setting. Something along the lines of always run or "Do you really want to attack?" window popping up. There is no tactical reason not to stay in war mode other then to keep noobs from killing their horse.
     
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    Thank you. Remove curse works fine. If you have a good connection and a very good video card you have from 0 to 1250 ms to press a key. Unfortunately I not able to press a key in 0 ms and even 100 ms is not enough for me. Well it looks I'm too slow. And if you connection is not good or your video card worths just $100 sometime you get note about Blood Oath on the client when you are really already dead on the server.
     
  35. Winker

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    the only way your going to die to blood oath is by casting big combo spells or by chaining armor ignore. small spells and normal weapons damage is not going to kill you that fast, that you are unable to see whats going on.
     
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    The 200+ Blood Oath damage I got from double striking a Dark Father with a daemon slayer double axe tends to disagree with this statement. :p
    But yeah, in PvP it is quite unlikely that blood oath will get you killed. In PvM that can be something quite different. XD

    Still, I don't quite like this change. I don't want the game to play itself for me.
     
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    dude, this change is there for like 3 years or more and you just noticed it?
     
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    What difference does that make? If it does something, it does it, regardless of how. If the 3rd party program and what it does is EA approved, and as you claim this function is A-OK then why did they make them to remove it from UOA?
     
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    I usually do 200-240 damage per hit so missed Blood Oath always kills me. And a monster can apply Blood Oath on me in 1 ms before I hit.

    In PvP dexters often have Resisting Spells. With GM Resisting Blood Oath does just 40% of damage... and damage is rarely over 35.
     
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    I'm gonna jump on the bandwagon here and say yep this is flat out a "cheat" and should be removed. *shrugs*
     
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    When it was implemented makes no difference.

    It is a bad feature that allows players to automatically circumvent a spell. Its just plain wrong.
     
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    Yes. But one-hit-killing spells are wrong as well.
     
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    Either join the dark side and use Pinco's and support Pinco with a donation or quit whining about make your own UI.... that's what the EC was designed for..... Pinco just offers his publicly.... Imagine what other folk are doing with their own NON-Publicly offered UI's.
     
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    If dark side equal cheating, I'll do without. And he's not getting a damn dime from me. :)
     
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    to get that kind of damage you need to be using special moves, and if you are able to spam special moves EVERY shot there is no reason why you cant change keys and press the one to eat an apple or cast remove curse
     
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    Malagaste is completely correct. I do pick on Pinco's UI simply because of its popularity. However there is indeed a much broader issue which I've been warning about since the release of the EC UI packs, which is nobody polices the UIs.
     
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    You should see my UI..muahahaha.!!!


    ...it's the CC :(


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    Pinco is using the official API of the client. No exploit, no glitch, no bug.
    If the devs deem this as not right, they can change the API.
    If they don't change it or if there's not even an offichial statement, it seems fine to me, to use it.
    Because this feature is in place for 3 years, I doubt, that there will come something from the official side...
     
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    I don't play the EC, but I'd be willing to pay like $1 a month to Pinco for his UI. It helps the game that I love, helps other people and keeps them playing the game.

    THAT is something I can support, even if I don't use it.
     
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    Blood Oath isn't a one hit kill... unless you don't have Resisting Spells.
     
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    It is if you have the gold to make the suit and template right but I'll keep that little Easter egg to myself


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    Even with 120 resist the Necro captain can still 1 hit kill you if he hits you with it just before an 800+ damage WoD. Has happened to me a few times.
     
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    Time to send Pinco a nice Christmas donation. I love his UI. If you use Pinco's I challenge you all to send a Holiday donation.

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