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Discussion in 'UHall' started by Ava Straden, Feb 6, 2009.

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  1. Ava Straden

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    <the following sent to>

    EA Customer Support:


    Last night I attended the auction at WRR (Pacific) in hopes to bid on a couple of items that I wanted to use for deco in my castle (I just placed last week after waiting for years and was pretty excited to get new items for it). Everything went fine until I bid on, and won, a “named” head. I stepped up to pay, just as I had for the potted cactus (3 mill), the blood (1 mill), the spring décor token (1.1 mill) and the lot of 22 spring cleaning shirts (575K) but just after purchasing the first 1 mill check for payment, I was bounced to the curb and “banned” from the auction house.

    Not having a clue what had just happened (I actually thought, at first, I was hit with one of those weird Luna bugs, like the trades that make you crash, and thought I had been bounced out for buying the check). I tried to go in and rubber-banned off the steps – banned? I checked my journal and saw I had been. After a couple of minutes, I was able to enter and went up to pay for the head. I asked (publicly of course), why I was banned and was told by Bam Bam that I had not been banned and if I had been, I wouldn’t have been able to come in. Excuse me – can you say “ban lifted?” In the middle of typing a reiteration, I was ejected from the house a second time.

    I sent /add requests to everyone involved in the auction. The only person to accept was Kyros who stated I was banned because of someone else but wouldn’t explain why or what it had to do with me. I told him I had won the head and needed to pay for it. The ban was lifted and I was able to go back in and dropped the party with Kyros. I asked politely if I “may pay for my item,” and was told they were sorry for the ban, that it was an accident. Twice?

    I sat quietly until the auction ended in order to get an answer to why I was ejected from the house (twice) and obviously, after that, I did not bid on further items.

    At auction end, I asked, again, why I was banned and was told that I had not been banned. Several members of WRR took this “you weren’t banned” stand, which was completely false, perhaps trying to save face for those who were still present.

    After a few moments, xblade interjected and told me to “quit bickering” that it was an “accident” and to “get over it.” I stated that it was not an accident and that Kyros’ response in party was far from an “accident,” in addition, accidents don’t happen twice. Xblade became even ruder. Telling him that the conversation was between Bam Bam and I, only lead to him telling me to STFU, he didn’t want to hear it and other statements of the same (enough that even Bam Bam told him to stop). I asked if this is how all patrons are treated at their auction. Bam Bam stated it wasn’t, and I made comment that neither I, nor my money would return – 5 million spent to be kicked to the curb twice, for no reason at all? Unbelievably, I was ejected from the house and banned for a third time.

    Needless to say, I sent a “physical harassment” page, listing all members of WRR who were within the vicinity allowed within the harassment page – players I have mentioned here were not selectable within the list (they were outside the vicinity of the generated list).

    For the record, my character, Ava Straden, is from Atlantic, transferring to Pacific only three weeks ago, something you can attest to if you’re able to track such things. I have attended WRR’s auction on Pacific only twice and those who know me, or have seen me there, can vouch for the fact that I sit quietly at the auction and don’t cause disruptions (something you can also check as I have no marks on my account). I am so unfamiliar with their auction that last week when I won the first door prize, I didn’t have a clue what you were suppose to do and had to be told to “go get it.” I also didn’t know about the “dropped” checks until it was explained.

    There was absolutely no reason for this type of conduct in game. Quite frankly, with all the support WRR gets through Stratics as well as the FoF, this wasn’t the type of thing I ever expected to see from their staff.

    I have transferred all of my belongings to another player and canceled both mine and my husband’s accounts (We have 4). I don’t spend my real life time with spoiled children who throw unwarranted tantrums at any given moment, I’m certainly not going to do it in my “escape, off-time.”

    It makes little difference to me if there are any repercussions for the events that transpired last night. The attitudes of the players have gotten progressively worse through the years and while I have found it tolerable enough to continue with the average gamer, I draw the line at turning over our hard-earned dollars to a company that promotes a false sense of “community,” through individuals who are actually abusing their fellow gamers.

    <Real name removed>
     
  2. ^Wolfie^

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    WRR is a f*cking joke.. sorry you are just now finding this out.
     
  3. TheScoundrelRico

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    ROFL. You are kidding? Right?...la
     
  4. Gellor

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    On Pac, I know WRR had an issue with a POS guild during the previous auction.

    I wouldn't be surprised if your char's name might have been similar to one of the members of that POS guild and thus your issues.:spider:
     
  5. DuttyD

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    IMHO, you had no right to file a complaint on everyone, and on top of that it seems you filed complaints on people that had no idea what was going on.

    Good thing customer support sucks, or else someone might of been suspended, unnecessarily.

    You werent scammed, you didnt lose anything, get over it.

    It seems that guild doesn't have a good rep, needless to say stay away from them.. Im sorry they ruined your life.
     
  6. You didn't lose anything, right? So what? These guys obviously are not the kind of people you want to deal with. Just don't associate with them in the future.

    Finding a jerk in UO is about as hard as finding a fat guy at GenCon.
     
  7. Fresley

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    Take your ball and go home.

    Problem solved.
     
  8. Hemisphere

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    Agreed with most of the above.

    No offence was commited by anyone here, but you've got every right to feel upset if you were treated like that, just don't expect any action to come on to anyone's account for antisocial behaviour.

    This thread would have served better were it titled "WRR are careless and unprofessional" ;)
     
  9. ColterDC

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    QFT

    Why anybody even deals with these people is beyond me.

    Their current and past members are admitted scammers, scripters and dupers.

    IMO the entire guild should be perma banned.
     
  10. hawkeye_pike

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    What I don't get is why you canceled your accounts over a bunch of childish acting players. If I'd do a thing like that, I would have to cancel my account at least 5 times a month when entering Felucca.

    My advise is: Spend your time with people who are worth it. Ignore those who annoy you. Don't air out your frustration (though understandable) on public boards. Take it easy.
     
  11. the 4th man

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    I believe it......I don't know if it's the same bunch(hint: $) that ran an auction house on atlantic a few years back, but that flinstones related name rings quite a bell.

    Untrustworthy lot, to say the least........then again, maybe it's not....sorry to hear of your mistreatment. My wife got booted some years back from a casino type place for not understanding directions to a knife throwing contest.....lol, they accused her of stealing simple common daggers.

    anywho, best of luck to ya.
     
  12. Lady Aalia

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    i can only totally agree with Mr Pirate here...

    Dont let people like that ruin your game...there is so many nice and lovley people on Atlantic :)

    Feel free to stop by anytime and i can introduce you to some
     
  13. kinney42

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    Completely agree. That post was rediculous. If someone is going to be that uppidy about a childish situation like that, well then Good riddence.
     
  14. Beastmaster

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    The concentration of antisocial aholes in UO is on a steady rise as they drive more and more decent people from the game. I've found that wherever I travel in the vast lands of UO, if I come across an area with 10 people, at least 2 will be aholes. In the early days you could encounter 50 strangers at a city bank and never have a problem.

    It won't get any better so you probably did the right thing in closing accounts if its become intolerable for you. Sadly, you raised the concentration by leaving. Despite what most of those above have said, you had every right to come hear and voice your displeasure. Who knows, maybe one day EA will actually hear and listen to one small voice fading away.
     
  15. Viper09

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    You canceled your account over the poor attitude of a group of people who you can EASILY avoid having interaction with?

    As far as I'm concerned WRR do good at reporting events such as the townhall meetings and hosting some events in game. That doesn't mean some of the people who work WRR aren't biased and/or rude.

    Bottom line, to steal the statement from others, if I had to cancel my accoutn for every rude person I met, I would have canceled my accounts over 100 times a year. Here's a better idea for you, STOP DEALING WITH THEM AND MOVE ON. After all, that's even part of the guildlines your suppose to follow BEFORE you page for harassment. I don't deal with WRR and therefore I never even run into them.
     
  16. Uriah Heep

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    Or just start again on Legends!!! :) ;)
     
  17. Flutter

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    Did you really send that to customer support?
    Why do you think they care?
    No wonder customer support doesn't have time for real issues.
     
  18. Millie

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    Back then the game was rated mature and if you were not 18 you couldn't buy it. People were different then.
    To the OP. I can honestly know how you feel about dealing with jerks in this game. But you should not let them take your game away form you. Your better then them and you need to realize that.

    FoF so heavily advertises for WWR, one would assume that they are part of Uo and Ea. Just as some feel Statics is Uo's official forums.
     
  19. Dragkiris

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    Well its better than some places. I transfered to Napa Valley one time and while in Haven a guy ran up to me and said "Leave now before I skull **** you you ****ing ***get".
     
  20. Be nice!
     
  21. Maplestone

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    But is player/guild drama a sign of weakness or of strength in a game?

    (a question I've been pondering today since reading the big "Band of Brothers" guild destruction story about another game)
     
  22. timev301

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    I was there last night at the auction and saw all that transpired. Ava was bidding and paying for her stuff as she won, then all of a sudden she ended up under the house sign, not sure as to the reason why, she could have ejected herself or been ejected, but when she came back in, she asked why she was ejected and even though she was told it must have been an accident, she started getting rude by demanding to know why she was ejected in capital letters, and continued this until Dani told her again it was an accident and let it go. Which she did until after the auction.

    She is mistaken about speaking with Bam Bam after the auction. Bam Bam was busy finishing up the auction stuff, so Dani went over to speak with her. She was persistent in finding out why she was banned or ejected, and xblade did infact get fed up with her attitude and several comments were made that were not called for. But when she said we were all rude and she would never come back, it looked like the conversation was just going from bad to worst, so to end it, i banned her so she could go her seperate way and not continue to cause so much drama.

    After playing uo for the last 9 years by myself, I got involved with WRR and PAH when i discovered that the only thing they do in the game is put on these fun events for anyone to enjoy, and give away gold expecting nothing in return for it other than there participation in the events. Since starting my involment with them i have never been asked to give anything other than my time.

    Best regards to you all..... Dani
     
  23. Jirel of Joiry

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    Well I can see both sides of this coin too well. I have attended many player events on Legends. Often a few rotten apples spoils things for everyone.

    Also my sis and I have been involved in the JaG Maze house events and T*T Auctions. I have witnessed first hand player abuse inflicted on the members of the guilds running these events.

    T*T guildmaster Tovaldian has had players toss G-explosions and G-conflag. pots disrupting the auctions.

    He's been cursed out with language that'd make a sailor turn red.

    Tov had a a-hole scam the auction house. What happened is this a person won a item and then said I'm going to switch chars because I don't have the gold to pay for this on this char. Well then some a-hole came up to the person and said I'm so and so, I won this item, and I here to pay for it. They paid for the item and took off. The REAL winning of the the item showed up one their alt. char and all hell broke loose.

    Tov has had steathers and buttheads that would try to bring their dragons and other pets in the auction.

    We had one particularly nasty a-hole that lured crystal ellys to the auction after being booted for disrupting the auction causing the death of numerous pets parked downstairs and outside.

    Lest I forget the macro-jerks working their skills during the auction so the rest of had to put up with their noise, particularly BARDS! Tov just got to the point that he told peeps to turn off their sound cause we can't tell who's doing it.

    I also witness equally nasty behavior at the Maze house events. At the maze house we had chests on the second ,third and roof levels with all kinds of items. These were for the taking.

    Well thanks to greedy people Kadagan had to set limits. Second floor was left at take as much as you like, third floor 3-5 items per person, and the roof 1 per person. Why did she have to do this?

    A greedy little sucker runs the maze summons his beetle and starts filling it. Luc banned him and his beetle. He then runs up to Luc and proceeds to tell her "F-you! you have no right to f-ing ban me, blah blah." She said you got issue with my banning you from the house take it up with Kad. Kad said the ban stands.

    We also had a guild decide to kill each other in the middle of the maze house!! At first it was kind of funny then it got out of hand and they had to be banned. In that instance several innocents got accidently banned because said guild started running and hiding under players.

    I actually witness a player come up to Kadagan and DEMAND she give him an Ethy horse, an AOF, an orny, and other expensive items. When she said no, he proceeded to curse and follow her everywhere. She ended up logging Kadagan and finishing the Maze house event on her alt. char who's name I can not and will not give out.


    All I can tell you is that accidental bannings do happen and unfortunatly it happens because a few people take it upon themselves to act like childish a-holes and try to ruin events for everyone.

    To WRR: you should have STAYED OUT OF IT! Its up to the guild hosting the event to handle the situation. Reguardless of what you may or may not have witnessed. Reguardless of the fact you were covering the auction, its not your place to handle auction issues, Capice?

    To the hosting guild: When you host a auction or event you are opening your guild house to the public. While I understand this is super stressful, you should take care of your customers. That means having ONE person to handle issues and to work to resolve them. That means keeping you tongue in check and minding your Ps and Qs. Try to to come a resolution at all costs. Unless the player because completely abusive or will not cooperate.
    Also she should have been allowed to pay for the head, by repeatedly banning her and then not allowing her to pay for the item she won. It really makes it look to a outsider as if someone in your inner circle wanted the item for themselves.

    Unfortunate there are no easy anwsers and UO has lost another player.
    Another player lost = another nail in the UO coffin. Its all about subcriptions, lose enough and we lose UO.

    I would like to implore the OP to please come try Legends we do have more nice folks than a-holes. In fact I could safely say the a-hole to nice peeps ration is 10 to 1. 10 nice peeps for every 1 a-hole. That's pretty good cause that means you've only got a 1 in 10 chance of running into a a-hole
    on Legends!
     
  24. Mordocuo

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    And you come here to defend them with your very first post on UHALL---how-----nice.
     
  25. Lady Arwen

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    I dont see why your making such a big deal out of this. I can understand you being upset about the way you were treated. A**holes are everywhere, and youve got to learn to live with them. But reporting them??? Canceling your accounts?? Please.... get over it...
     
  26. Beastmaster

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    I remember the ratings shananigans. No more severing heads for bounties. Option to turn off blood splatter. And all of a sudden its a teen game. Now they give out blood tiles as rewards. Go figure!
     
  27. Shh!

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    Honestly, I am not sure who I'd rather see the leave the game more: the aholes or the OP.

    :drama:
     
  28. Luc of Legends

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    i have to concur with my sis. i been there, done that, and got the "flame" marks to prove it. i can see both sides, too. It is REALLY possible that she got booted 3 times by accident. All it takes is one little smart-ass jerk running and hiding up under people. Then you end up booting everyone but
    said smart-ass.

    Hey Thunder remember that time at T*T auction when you got tossed by accident?

    However cut the OP some slack here people. Hey we've all been royally pissed off to the point of quitting UO. Maybe the OP should take some time to cool off and then start back on another shard. i invite the OP to visit us on Legends, i know you will be welcomed warmly on our shard.
     
  29. Rubican

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    Wow...this is kinda shocking to me. I've been at numerous WRR auctions and never had or seen an issue. It has been a month or so since I last attended one and maybe things have changed, but I always thought they were well run.
     
  30. geee you sound so fimilure i think i know of this person hey i know!!! its slave girl omg
     
  31. Crystal Rose

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    We at Pacific Auction House (PAH) always try to strive to run a very smooth auction in the past 5 years we have been in business..and we take it seriously as well as our customer service. It is very much important to us. I regret that there was a problem that night which does happen very rarely. I am very sorry to see you leave UO.

    Crystal Rose (owner of Pacific Auction House)
     
  32. Radun

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    The devs should STOP advertising in-game player-run events and communities, they really have no idea who they're associating themselves with or what their motives are... and from what I gather, they don't even have any type of staff-member overseeing these events to see what they're sending their paying customers into.

    I'm not even going to start listing all the different ways I can think that an astute scammer could use EA's recent practices to maximize the potential of a given misdeed.
     
  33. Radun

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    I agree completely with the part that i quoted. Some (a lot actually) of the fools who run around causing problems like this would get giddy like a preteen girl-child if they found out that they upset someone enough to close an account.
     
  34. GarthGrey

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    Holy "One Time at Band Camp" Batman !!
     
  35. The Craftsman

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    Oh the irony. You post a reply that would be a more than appropriate reply to 95% of the posts that you make!
     
  36. Heh. You're also a member of WRR guild. Strange coincidence that.

    Personally, I don't doubt a thing she said. Especially after my run in with WRR and the virus I got from the site they directed me to that took me 3 weeks to finally get rid of for good.


    To the rest of the thread, I know the OP and was shocked to read that she's quitting the game again after she'd just returned. If some of you knew exactly who she is and how much she's given of herself and her time to members of the UO community you'd be ashamed at yourselves for the comments you've made. UO has lost a valued member of it's community and I can only hope that after a good night's sleep she changes her mind. I for one would be sad to see her go.

    Seeing some of the jackass, ignorant responses in this thread I'm wondering why the hell I decided to start posting on Stratics again. I guess that can be remedied.
     
  37. UOKaiser

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    U sure you were banned from the house. Because my faction characters can't enter my own home in trammel at times after a battle for a few minutes and just rubble band out the public home.
     
  38. Demonous

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    u basically told WRR thats they're better than you and you're giving up by cancelling you're accounts, as a pvper it is basically my job to try to make people that i kill feel worthless after killing them, ie talking smack is a lottttt of fun once u start doing that, there is some joy in making others feel miserable, however i am an auctioneer and i treat the people who attend the auction with respect, that is very low of someone to run an auction and then behave like that, people need to understand that behavior in tram and felucca are very different
     
  39. Magnus

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    How is it 'your job' to make people feel miserable when PvPing. Smack talking and insulting is not a requirement for PvP.

    I miss when people were nice and honourable in all aspects of UO. With that kindof reasoning, no wonder theres so many immature brats.
     
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    They are in faction in the pvpers oath. But you probably wouldnt know about that.
     
  41. Magnus

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    No where in PvP, Factions or not is it required that you insult other players and harrass them. Also, your slight is noted. :)
     
  42. monkybump

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    OK ALL TIME TO READ BETWEEN THE LINES HERE ON THIS POSTING LOL

    NOW PULLING FROM AVA,S POST

    Last night I attended the auction at WRR (Pacific) in hopes to bid on a couple of items that I wanted to use for deco in my castle (I just placed last week after waiting for years and was pretty excited to get new items for it.

    For the record, my character, Ava Straden, is from Atlantic, transferring to Pacific only three weeks ago, something you can attest to if you’re able to track such things. I have attended WRR’s auction on Pacific only twice and those who know me, or have seen me there, can vouch for the fact that I sit quietly at the auction and don’t cause disruptions (something you can also check as I have no marks on my account). I am so unfamiliar with their auction that last week when I won the first door prize, I didn’t have a clue what you were suppose to do and had to be told to “go get it.” I also didn’t know about the “dropped” checks until it was explained.
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    LETS START WITH IF YOU HAVE BEEN TO ONE WRR AUCTION IN THE GAME ON ANY SHARD YOU KNOW EXACTLY HOW IT GOES EVERYTHING IS EXPLAINED TO YOU HOW ELSE WOULD YOU HAVE KNOWN ABOUT SIGNING UP FOR THE DOOR PRIZE AVA AND TO SAY YOU HAD NO IDEA WHAT TO DO WHEN YOU WON COME ON, I ASSUME YOU WON DOOR PRIZE AT THE FIRST AUCTION YOU ATTENDED.

    LETS SEE YOU TRANSFER TO PACIFIC 3 WEEKS AGO AND WHAM GOT A CASTLE HMM KINDA SHADY IF YOU ASK ME, AND THE ONLY PERSON I KNOW OF ON THE PACIFIC SHARD WHO HAS JUST PLACED A CASTLE IS A SLAVE GIRL HMM WHO ALL SO CAME FROM ATLANTIC WOUNDER WHAT KIND OF CONNECTION THERE IS HERE THAT WOULD AT LEAST EXPLAIN YOUR CHILD LIKE POSTING AND REPORTING FOR NOTHING .

    NOW PULLING FROM AVA'S POST
    I have transferred all of my belongings to another player and canceled both mine and my husband’s accounts (We have 4). I don’t spend my real life time with spoiled children who throw unwarranted tantrums at any given moment, I’m certainly not going to do it in my “escape, off-time.”

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    THE REASON WHY I SAY CHILD LIKE IS YOU QUITE A GAME YOU OBVIOUSLY LOVE TO PLAY AND GAVE EVERYTHING AWAY TO ANOTHER PLAYER OVER BEING BANNED FROM A HOUSE EVEN AFTER YOU WERE APOLOGIZED AND YOU GOT YOUR ITEMS HMM I DO NOT THINK SO YOU JUST GOT A CASTLE IN LESS THAN 3 WEEKS MORE THAN LIKELY YOU JUST SHUT DOWN ACCT UNTIL A SLAVE GIRL NEEDS IT AGAIN THIS IS OBVIOUSLY A DUMMY ACCT AND ANOTHER REASON TO SLAM WRR SINCE ITS NOT WORKING IN GAME ANY MORE,NOW YOU BRING YOUR FIGHT TO THE BOARDS WELL IT WILL NOT WORK HERE AS WELL.
    THE REASON WHY I SAY DUMMY ACT I DID CHARACTER SEARCH AND ITS A TAMER WHO IS NOT EVEN LEGENDARY IN ANY THING IF YOU HAVE PLAYED FOR SO LONG I THINK THIS CHARACTER WOULD BE FURTHER ALONG. IN STEAD OF SLAMMING OTHER PLAYERS IN GAME FOR WHAT YOU THINK MAY BE A WARRANTED COMPLAINT MAYBE YOU SHOULD SPEND MORE TIME ON DEVELOPING YOUR CHARACTERS AND YOUR GAME PLAY.
    I CAN THINK OF 90 THOUSAND OTHER GOOD!!!!!!! REASON TO QUITE UO OTHER THAN BEING BANNED FROM A HOUSE.
    IF YOU ACTUALLY DID QUITE GOOD WE DO NOT NEED CRY BABIES LIKE YOU IN GAME BUT WE ALL KNOW YOU DID NOT WHO WOULD BE SO DUMB ALL THIS WAS WAS ANOTHER STAB TO SLAM WRR MAYBE YOU SHOULD HAVE THOUGHT IT OUT A BIT MORE A SLAVE GIRL.

    BY THE WAY I AM IN NO WAY SHAPE OR FORM CONNECTED WITH WRR IN GAME OR OUT OF GAME BUT THIS POSTING BY AVA I THINK HAS PUSHED ME INTO THERE DIRECTION AND PLEASE AVA AKA A SLAVE GIRL STOP BEING SO IDIOTIC JUST GO PLAY THE GAME AND LET EA/UO WORRY ABOUT WHATS GOING ON AFTER ALL IT IS THERE GAME
     
  43. Hemisphere

    Hemisphere Always Present
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    Isn't that exactly what she did?
    Did you consider even for a moment while writing that post that you might be coming off as significantly more childish.. than anyone else involved in this thread or in the story told herein.
     
  44. Cogniac

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    CAPS LOCK IS CRUISE CONTROL FOR COOL
     
  45. Omnius

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    The OP here has to be kidding... This is probably the most deserving thread ever for rants and spiels. Lock or send it away people, whining like we're five accomplishes nothing.
     
  46. Hemisphere

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    Maybe Stratics doesn't like all the attention WRR gets from the UO site either :p

    *stirs the pot*
     
  47. Petrify

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    lol. Because somebody banned you from their house? Jesus, trams.
     
  48. Mordocuo

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    Wow another person defening WRR comes here with their very first Stratics post. That makes 2 of them in the same thread. How interesting. I think I smell something fishy.
     
  49. Viper09

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    and yet the OP just joined to post this thread with their first and only post so far. fishy there too. The OP could be smugging the details just as much as the people defending WRR.
     
  50. Demonous

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    it makes it more fun, when i fight decent people then i dont say anything to them, there are some respectable people, but others that i hate that think they're better than anything **** me off
     
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