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Discussion in 'UHall' started by startle, Oct 8, 2012.

  1. startle

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    So yesturday I'm reading threads here on UHall as I do pretty much every day, and I come across a thread titled "Coronation Schedules" which sounds really interesting. So I open it and the first thing I see is the poster's quite insulting comment at the top -
    which both got my attention and annoyed me at the same time by making the assumption that if I didn't already know about this "Coronation" then I was somehow "lazy".

    Please believe me when I say that this post (the one you're reading, not the one referred to above) is NOT meant to insult anyone or breed dissention here. My intent is to begin/continue discussion about how all of us (on ALL shards) get information about events that take place in Sosaria. OK?

    Now, back to the "Coronation Schedules" thread. The first thing I did was scroll down the list to Pacific and see "Not announced yet" (yes, Pacific is my shard - has been since '98). But I click on the Pacific link anyway and see that it takes me to some place called uoem.net and I say to myself "Who the h*ll is uoem.net and why should I - A:) know about this place - or B:) ever had occasion to go there?" I mean, after all - the poster has referred to me as "damned lazy" because I hadn't gone there to get my news about events on Pacific. I was under the (apparently mistaken) impression that if there was news about an in game event on Pacific, that I would see it posted someplace like - oh let me think - the Stratics UO Pacific or the Pacific EM Forum (but what would I know).... I know about Stratics.com and UOForums.com and (finally once again) UO.com, but (my bad) I am completely new to this uoem.net site! Anyway, only a few shards are represented at the uoem.net site, and I'm only mentioning it because it was where the poster said I should have seen the Coronation notice. So let's move on...

    So where SHOULD we go every day to see what's happening "in game" ?

    [​IMG]

    I understand that each shard has EM's that are all UNPAID volunteers and that some are much more "involved" than others, and I appreciate all the work that everyone at Stratics does to provide a place where communication can take place between the player base and the Dev's and EM's. I am NOT here to complain - but rather to illustrate how " in game " information tends to "get lost" from time to time, and to see what (if anything) we can ALL do to make things better....

    In the end it's up to EA/Mythic to communicate with their CUSTOMERS and Stratics does the best it can to RELAY as much info as possible - BUT - I believe that, in the end, if EA really wants to head-off the continued erosion of the UO player base, then they need to seriously consider what would be BY FAR THE BEST WAY to communicate events - and that would be by introducing some sort of Community Bulletin Board ( in game on each shard ) that we all could recall or walk to every day to see what's happening.

    Oh, and please don't tell me about our in game "chat" as a source.... I don't know about the rest of you but I have chat always OFF simply because of all the "kiddy chat" and "spamming" that goes on there. I find it nothing more than distracting at best...

    Thanks for letting me get that off my chest....
    Just sayin.... ;)
     
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  2. Petra Fyde

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    I don't know about your shard, but on Europa any town crier could give you the information. There are rather more of them than a 'community bulletin board' you just walk up to one and say 'news' or even just hang around near one for a few minutes.
     
  3. startle

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    To furthur illustrate the need for an in game Community Bulletin Board, I submit the following:

    [​IMG]
     
  4. startle

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    I have done that many times and the result has been no news or old news.... Or - in the case of my shard - an email link? Please.....
    [​IMG]
     
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  5. Ron Silverbeard

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    Yes we definatly have a "problem" with Pacific's Stratics EM Page and the communication itselfe..

    I mailed both EM's today lets see what i get..
     
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  6. startle

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    And to be completely fair, Pacific is definitely NOT the only shard with EM communication issues... It just happens to be MY shard for over 14 years now...
     
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    I just started a conversation with Monty (EM Montagne) and i will keep you updated about our Coronation event
     
  8. startle

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    Now that I have his/her email address, I'll contact him also... And thx for the post, devil99...
     
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    Yes, especiyll this ONE TIME EVENT, the Coronation of a NEW KING should have been held as a global event on all shards and been posted on UO.com

    What i was reading today, Frarc also stated it on his post concerning Drachenfels, were the Event has to be postponed, Mesanna is ill...so there might be some coordination problems acutally - maybe shes not the only one ill - could be some of the staff catched the flu...

    I guess we just have to wait a bit...
     
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    EM's are PAID independent contractors. They are paid $10/hr for a max of 20 hours a month.
     
  12. Promathia

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    First off Startle, I did not think you were lazy, just incredibly impatient since Pacific hadnt even announced anything yet. (So your attempts to find something that had not been announced yet were a little amusing)

    Now onto your topic:
    Fan site vs Site that is ran by the EM's themselves

    If you have an issue with Pacific's forum, than perhaps you should volunteer to be a shard reporter so you can post it yourself each time. In the meantime, feel free to bookmark the website your shard's EMs run to post event schedules. Here, I even took a screenshot for you (Notice it is not yet updated with coronation information)

    [​IMG]

    But you can also, log into the game and see the town crier

    [​IMG]
     
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  13. Promathia

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    Just to be clear, it was not the coronation that had to be postponed, but a separate shard specific event.
     
  14. Ron Silverbeard

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    No offense Promathia, but the new towncrier message must have been setted up around 15 mins ago...i am logged in on Pacific at Luna Mint and the town criers must have just changed..maybe because startle and me mailed our EM's (or we spamed them) hehe

    Its even earlier now than i thought it will be, this means Friday 4 am for me arglll LOL

    blackthornpacific.JPG
     
  15. Promathia

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    I understand it was updated recently, but trust me, its ALWAYS updated with event information. So is the website.

    It is why I am able to attend every event on Pacific, as I dont have time to log into each shard, I simply check the EM's website.
     
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    my town criers news yesterday was nothing about a coronation.....then, we had to go out for the day.....
     
  17. Tanivar

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    I have a Sherrie the mouse statue at the top of the stairs going into my house. It normally tells me of events from a couple weeks or more in the past when it does announce something. This morning it was announcing an event from September. I don't run across many town criers during play.
     
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    Promathia, i monitor everything concerning Pacific so i know the pages...but its not the thing...and i can tell you, compared to other shards, Pacific acutally has problems with on time communications - i know why and its not that someone is lazy...we recently had changes and a new EM on board and i know this takes some time...

    Anyway, txs alot for your great summary of all shards coronation times - its VERY VERY helpful!!!
     
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    So you are saying we shouldn't look for information until the information has been announced. If we know when the information is announed wouldn't we know the information?

    There is no news at this time on LS. I guess I should patiently wait until I read here on the official forums that the event has past. I stand by my reply on your duplicate thread. Glad we can amuse you.
     
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    I personally have had the problem that most of my shard's events shifted from Saturday, to Sunday evening between 5 & 9 pm Eastern - an I'm typically somewhere else EVERY Sunday from 4 pm until 10 pm.

    The coronation was apparently scheduled for around 6 pm yesterday. No clue if it occurred or not.

    Commemorative Events such as that should have the the item dispenser stay up at least as long as the time period for the moons aligning (40 hours) to cover the fact that man people realistically just CAN'T be there for the big day.
     
  22. startle

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    Ok, here we go again with the "attitude"....

    Dewd ! It was your post that said we were all lazy if we didn't already know WHERE we SHOULD be looking for event "news". My point was that myself and others were NOT aware that we should be going to some site we had never heard of, mainly UOEM.net....

    [​IMG]

    It's not so much that pacific.uoem.net had nothing regarding the Coronation event, it's about WHY you assume that I or anybody else should even KNOW of the existance of UOEM.net ! And why should we? We have shard event forums RIGHT HERE ON STRATICS for pete's sake...

    Sheesh............
    :rant2:[/quote]
     
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  23. Promathia

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    Each shard has a uoem site since pretty much the program restarted. Since then some sites have gone unused, and others have changed....But its not an "unknown" website.
     
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  24. Promathia

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    Hmm, not counting the coronation, LA has only had events on Sunday (only a couple of times) due to the EM having to change the schedule due to his irl.

    Augustus pretty much schedules every event for Saturday when he can.
     
  25. NuSair

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    There should be 1 official channel for EM events. Not having to check 3, 4 or 5 different places to find out what is going on.
     
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    Ok me again...
    I returned November 2011 after a looong absence - the first time i heard about uoem.net was 2 months ago on an accident..
    Its not like that the EM's would promote it to much hehe
     
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  27. Promathia

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    While I understand your frustrations with Pacific, most shards have something either in luna or at the EM hall with the website address on it.

    And NuSair, each shard DOES have 1 official channel. Most use their uoem website, a couple use stratics, and 1-2 only use ingame criers.
     
  28. startle

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    Well it may not be "unknown" in the absolute sense, since it does exist, but expecting us here on Stratics to know about it is a bit of a stretch to say the least....
     
  29. Promathia

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    Stratics use to actually list the site for each shard...Dont know what happened to it
     
  30. Ron Silverbeard

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    *Pulls Hair*
    *runs around in circles yelling NO NO NO NO*
    *Walks off for a smoke*
     
  31. NuSair

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    You misunderstand me. ALL EMs/Events/ect should use 1 official channel for all shards, all events. The current way it is handled is quite sad.
     
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  32. startle

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    ^^^^^ THANK YOU - THANK YOU - THANK YOU ! Exactly what I am trying to get across here... UOEM.net? I think NOT! What's the point of having UO Events and UO (put shard here) Events RIGHT HERE ON STRATICS, if we're supposed to know about and GO TO some other URL for news?
     
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  33. Promathia

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    How so? If you play the shard, you know how to find out. The only time it gets complicated is if you are either A: Playing more than 1 shard or B: a Shardhopper trying to get a clicky

    UOEM.net WAS their solution so that every shard has an OFFICIAL website that each EM can use to post their events/fiction.

    Btw, when Mesanna is not sick (and as long as the EM's do like they are supposed to) the UO Facebook is updated as well with event information Ultima Online - Events | Facebook
     
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    In the interest of fairness for everyone these events should be posted to uo.com then to the EM sites and the Fansites can pick it up from there. The Events should also be in the start up screen as well.
     
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    THIS! Let's see, I can go to the Stratics EM boards, my shard boards, the UO EM webpage, twitter, & ingame criers who may or may not broadcast the most current event. Thankfully Mesanna realizes the communication needs to be streamlined.

    On one of the shards I play, the Coronation has been announced as "See for Yourself" and the meeting location is the Brit Counselor hall. How would anyone who is not a regular Stratics reader know this is Blackthorn's coronation?
     
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    Actually, UOEM was never official, it's not even owned by EA, it is owned by an EM/former EM. It was a place for EMs to post if they so chose.

    *I say EM/former EM because I do know know if the individual is still an EM or not.
     
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  37. startle

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    Exactly who are you referring to above? their solution?
     
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    lol...Every EM on every shard has a website they can use. Whether or not they are used anymore is a moot point.


    This is really such a nonissue. Each shard has a way of notifying their server and when an event is. Then you have the backup sources.

    It
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  39. startle

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    Those of us who play on shards where EM information is all but NON EXISTANT need a place to get CURRENT information in a timely manner. And, for me, this includes Stratics, UOForums and UO.com - and NOT some unkept foreign place like UOEM.net which, as Nu'Sair said, is not even sanctioned by UO.

    Sheesh...
    :rant2:
     
  40. startle

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    I just have to ask: Are you an EM Promathia? Or did someone just appoint you as "Overseer of EM info" and I just missed that meeting?
     
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    You are right, it's not that hard. You shouldn't have to be in the know to know which channel a shard uses to notify about their events (even the shard wide events like Blackthorn went under the radar). It should be one channel, all EMs, all shards, all events. It is not that hard.
     
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    *Rolls up shirt sleeves*
    Ok, there's some work to do on Pacific - let's get it started
     
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    I never heard of uoem either. My lack of knowledge of a website does NOT make me lazy. However, assuming that it does and that you know everything there is to know does make you arrogant.

    *waits for the lock that is sure to come the way this is going*
     
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    Chill my Uhall friends. Be excellent to one another. No harshing of mellows, please.
     
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    OMG i knew were this leads to...arglll
     
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    Listen, Pacific is where you go.

    UOEM Atlantic
    Golden Brew Tavern | Baja Community Event Portal
    Catskills
    UO Chesapeake Event Moderators - Some links redirect to stratics
    Welcome… Willkommen…
    Europa Event Moderators Website (Not currently used, but being looked into so Adris can have access)
    Great Lakes
    Ultima Online Lake Austin EM Event Website
    Lake Superior Events
    Legends (Not used as much as the town criers)
    EM Mystique and EM Crysania » Napa Valley - Defunct, now address players to use stratics

    UO – Origin Events | Hosted by Your Origin Event Moderators (Used to be origin.uoem.net which now redirects to this)
    Pacific
    Sonoma EM Events

    Only ONE shard from the above list has said they will no longer use their site, which is Napa Valley. EVERY SHARD, has a uoem.net site which is run by their respective EM's.
     
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    *rubs Kelmo's Belly and runs away*
     
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    Promathia, the conclusio to this allready monster posting is, alot of people would like to see EM's post their Info on stratics...too...especially Events...a good time ahead the event will be...

    Its not because the people are lazy to search the web for it - its because they are used to use stratics as their home base because they get the most info here they need.
     
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    Listen, most shards ARE also posted on stratics, but the EM's arent required to. Like I said, Volunteer to be a shard reporter, or go find yours and let them know to start posting this stuff.

    The only shards who dont use stratics are

    1. Legends (Doesnt most of the time, uses ingame criers)
    2. Pacific

    The rest either post themselves, or have stratics just repost off a feed from their uoem site. Europa doesnt post their events in the EM forum, but instead in the main Europa forum.
     
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    I assume you are on LA judging from your past posts.

    In Luna is a black orc helm with the website address + a book titled EVENT INFORMATION - Also with the website address (But an old EM's name)

    [​IMG]