Wasn't the point of the VvV system to bring new life to PvP in UO? If I am right about that then shouldn't it stand true that we need to get people involved that wouldn't have normally gone to Fel for PvP? Or PvP'd at all? If you want to get new people to play VvV that normally would have never have played the game you need to have the rewards to entice them. When this first started I was seeing alot of people trying to play at all hours. Some were new to PvP completely! What had happened with the occupy points was people were willing to risk UO death because the rewards were good enough to entice them. With the recent changes that is all gone now. I understand that you will be adding points to the other activities to bring the silver points back up. However, if those fixes do not allow about the same points in an uncontested city then where is the incentive for a (New to PvP) to play? I thought you had it right with the Occupy points on an uncontested match at 400. It was enough (Reward) to get new blood involved in PvP. With the new adjustments I can only hope that the Dev's will consider this as their biggest goal. And that is to get new players involved that wouldn't have normally ever played in Fel. Only way to do that is to give them rewards more worthy than hunting in Tram. If you don't make this your goal it will simply be the same players you always had playing. You have a chance to really do something great for the player base. PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE make this your number one goal for VvV!