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POLL: Should the reasoning behind LOCKING a thread be given?

Discussion in 'UO Sonoma' started by Vexxed, Apr 24, 2009.

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Should Moderators have to give a reason for a thread being locked ??

Poll closed Apr 30, 2009.
  1. YES--Explaining what's ok & what's not is a good thing.

    17 vote(s)
    77.3%
  2. NO--They are Mods Nuff said.

    5 vote(s)
    22.7%
  1. Vexxed

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    There seems to be a rash of threads being locked & I think perhaps if we all understood why they were locked in the first place other occurances would be less likely.. What I would like to see, is that if a Moderator finds it necessary to lock a thread, that they post as the last message in that thread the REASONS (preferrable citing something like ToS line C)) so that the rest of the community understands where the line is .....
     
  2. WarUltima

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    This thread is going to be locked.

    Reason: Hmm because the thread has the term "Vexxed" in it, so its getting locked.
     
  3. Lord Hunter

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    I will do my best to provide a reason as to why future threads are locked, please take a moment to reread the RoC.

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  4. I cannot blaim the mods today, can you????? What needs to happen is to start removing a few posting privileges.
     
  5. Vexxed

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    Actually Skull I can't say a thing about those threads you mentioned... It's against the rules.. hence the topic of my discussion.. rolleyes:
     
  6. Ruffles

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    I cannot agree more :p

    Maybe having priviledges suspended will help those that violate the RoC to actually THINK about what they are ranting :p
     
  7. Sickshine

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    I don't think it would be too much to ask for an explanation. I like the idea of the mods posting a comment saying what rule was broken when they lock the thread. I know moderating a forum such as this one is difficult, but maybe this would make their job easier in the long run.
     
  8. Lord Ron Fellows

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    stratics is a dictatorship, your opinion has ZERO pull
     
  9. Vexxed

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    Noooo.. Not quite.... I can pretty much guarantee that anything I write pulls the MODS attention like a Bear to honey lol.... But Yea, I get your drift which is why a POLL was used. Perhaps the opions of the masses have weight ?
     
  10. Magdalene

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    There's such thing as individual style of each moderator - some prefer giving information in public, some prefer PM, some remove/lock and only give their reasons when asked (ok, this shouldn't happen on regular basis).

    Now, it's not the question of poster's preference, really. The poster whose post is the reason for removal/lockage should be informed, but it's up to an individual moderator how they do it. Poll or no poll.
     
  11. Balinor of Pk?

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    Oh ok, so THAT's why Quenchant isn't posting much anymore? Cause it's his personal style? hehe Personally I think banning/removal of posting priviledges is a joke. The ONLY time I can see that happening on a family oriented message board is when someones going overboard on the language. Otherwise, what's the purpose? This is a DISCUSSION board. Let us discuss.
     
  12. Morph

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    I have to agree with Ron And Balinor on this topic, I voted yes not that it matters much because even on some of the threads locked in the last day or so all i saw was game related smack talk nothing personal and guess what it was still locked so I have given up all hope. And I also think that you should have to lead by example Mods so I wonder why I have seen mods also break the RoC but yet the thread stays open and the post is not removed.....

    Hypocrite much.......

    In all honesty who cares anymore.
     
  13. Widow Maker

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    In a PvP thread..the respect thing simply does not, and will never, fit.

    PvP is all about disrespect.

    As long as the language is clean, rl is out of it, and no personal attacks based on someone's rl crap is achieved...a much lighter moderation approach is needed, given the subject's inherent volatile nature. Such postings are good for Stratics and the community in general, besides being fun to read.

    My 2 cents..which is worth more than any of yours...because it is mine. :p
     
  14. Kellgory

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    To borrow a phrase from the sports world, "it's bulletin board material". Sometimes you read something that just makes you want to log in and hunt the person down when all you really was planning to do that day was log in and collect your bods and .1 daily skill gain. Take Thursdays fight at the champ spawn....6-7 threads were locked that day and that night there was probably the largest fight I've seen on this shard in a long time. I can't say that A lead to B, but still for those that were there...nice fight, yeah you all won, but we finally got a good fight and had fun.
     
  15. WarUltima

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    The funny thing is someone voted "No, the are Mods nuff said". :thumbsup:
     
  16. Widow Maker

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    As is blatantly obvious..it seems that the people here WANT to talk about PvP in all it's respectful AND disrespectful manners.

    It was always my thought that a set of forums exist to provide its users with an avenue of conversation. Since the majority of posts here look to be the PvP world, these moderators need to look to the needs of their clients. While I absolutely agree that certain protocols need to be met, protocols change according to the individuality of any given forum.

    Since we, the PvPers seem to be about the only ones posting here in vast numbers, allow us our communications. I am not saying throw the baby out with the bathwater but you absolutely need to make allowances to allow the clients to enjoy your services.

    No clients..no services. No services...no moderators. Everyone looses. LORD knows we love to communicate in our own very special way :thumbsup:

    Please..lighten up and allow what needs to be done. In other words..shove over, we need room too.
     
  17. Viper09

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    "...throw the baby out of the bathwater"?
    lol
     
  18. I was one of those, I voted no. And yes I have had the mods come down on me like a ton of bricks before.
     
  19. Black Majick

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    Give us our PvP thread back. As long as we keep the RL personal attacks out of it and the language to atleast a PG 13 level give us some room. We'll keep the 7 locked threads off the Sonoma front page.
     
  20. Balinor of Pk?

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    Why would anyone vote no to giving away their right to free speech? That's like going to court and saying, I'd love to give away my right to a speedy trial and full disclosure of the facts against me... haha
     
  21. Ok for a minute i was agreeing with the mods but this is getting to be bullcrap. The pvp crowd isnt welcome on stratics I see. You guys deleted every post, every thread for last three or four days. I say if they are going to delete them anyways why use clean language, go ahead and get real personal. Once they bann all the pvp crowd then the 8 non pvp people left that post here can have it all to themselves.
     
  22. Lord Hunter

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    Every post was locked and removed for pretty good reasons.

    Its not that we don’t want the PvP crowd here, it’s just that the PvP crowd needs to realize that this isn’t their playground to bash and vent at each other out of game.

    If your going to post in a PvP related thread here, please follow the RoC, its there for a reason. You all know the rules were relaxed in the PvP thread and a few people got away with some pretty rough stuff, but it’s unacceptable when things start getting like the PvP thread in the main forum.

    Keep your posts clean, that means to show respect at all times. No personal attacks, no trolling just to get under someone skin, posting or even talking about someone using an exploit and everything else that is listed in the RoC.

    I personally enjoy reading the PvP threads, but I don’t enjoy having to scroll through all of the unneeded name calling or trolling. Yes I understand that its part of PvP, but keep it in the game and keep things civil.


    If you have a question please do not hesitate to PM me.

    -Lord Hunter
     
  23. PVP is a competitive game! I would LOVE to see you try to have a civil conversation about the pvp in the game. You will get called racial names, be cussed at with some of the most foul language! UO DOES NOT INFORCE ANY LANGUAGE OR RACIAL COMMENTS ANYMORE! The reason why we bring it here is people are forced to leave that kind of crap in the game and talk civil here. If you think we are not being civil here go have a talk to Of the abyss, DOm, danu in game. I think you might learn a few new cuss words you never herd. At least here we don’t have to deal with that kind of crap. If someone is going to far, GIVE THEM A TWO DAY VACATION or remove their post and make them rewrite it! The bottom line is posting here is the only way we can talk about pvp without having to ask our kids and/or loved ones to leave the room. You say you want to have a conversation with no personal attacks, no trolling. If you say anything about pvp your trolling because someone will always have a different out look on the topic. Then you have some that are completely out of their minds and you delete all the posts and threads because of their comments. Don’t you think for one sec they are doing this on purpose because they don’t want to hear what people are saying about the tactics used? I think some are manipulating the mods to hide some of the truths of pvp by getting threads locked. So if I don’t like something cop says all I have to do is get personal and boom, thread gone.
    Bring back the PVP thread and there will be fewer problems. Don’t bring it back you are telling everyone NO MORE PVP TALK because there’s no way to follow the standard ROC and you know it.
     
  24. Busters

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    Trash talking in pvp is going to be a given on any shard. I agree that some of it gets way to out of hand and personal. But it will never stop and it won't make a difference who posts what and why and so on, because there will always be trash talk on threads. I never understood why people have to trash talk in the first place, but i guess for some people it makes them feel a little more important, and if thats what it takes then go for it.
     
  25. oligizmo

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    First of, who was posting on the PvP thread for the last months? SCAM and a hand full of others that have nothing better than talk trash, make lies and cry about how COP run their game. So now you all here crying that you want it back when it was you all that got the PvP thread locked. You are so good on what you do then keep it in game. It is obvious that is only you guys that feel the need to make accusations and maybe you do it to make yourselves feel better. Ok well you guys rule and are the best on PvP, is that what you want us to say so you can just get on with playing? Listen, go ahead and get the thread back on, and who is going to be posting? Just you guys, which is only about five or so of you. please.
     
  26. TrustMeInc

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    I don't see any COPs posting in the forums hardly ever.

    In fact I haven't posted in months. Many people call me out on the forums and it is just pointless to have the same conversation over and over again. You believe you are right.
    I know I am right. So you move on...

    There has been so many thread about me and personal attacks on this forum I find it funny. We laugh about the stories we read in the forum. You all get so mad about the littlest things.

    I commend Lord Hunter for locking the thread.

    The internet is BIG if you don't like the rules make your own fourm.
    Where you can trash talk and lie all you want. Keep it in game.

    Anyhow...Keep up the good work MODs!

    "LOCK EM DOWN"

    TMI
     
  27. Widow Maker

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    I choose to disagree with your primary comment: The threads were removed for good reason.

    No, they were not. They were removed because the Stratics Moderators are out of touch with their client base.

    As has been stated several times;The disrespect and trolling posts will always be a part of the PvP world, both ingame and on any forum. Again, since this is the type of posting going on in this individual forum, the rules of moderation do not match your clients needs and wants. Moderation is needed to keep language clean and rl out of the posts.

    Since you refuse to recognize this basic need of customer service, I will post here no more. I urge others to do the same. That way the moderators that are left can log in here once a month (or less) and see what, if anything, warrants their service.

    Good day, and does anyone know how to delete a Stratics account?
     
  28. Busters

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    i see where widow is coming from, and he has a good point, but if u delete your account who is going to argue good points?? Also, you are my in-game idol and the best player ever (besides me of coarse):D On another note, I read alot about cop being zerg and what temps they play. Just think, if there was no cop or zerg on a shard, then who would there be to fight?? I enjoy fighting cop alone or with my guildmates. For those who talk about how it's 10vs1 ganks, just play it smart, everyone knows you get at least 20 seconds for a kill before 10 more come to the aid of their guildmate, so use that time wisely. If the blues at the gate worked together a little bit more, they could take out cop or any guild even when outnumbered (cept ours) ;)
     
  29. WarUltima

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    Unfortunately that few individuals that throw out most of the lies like there's no tomorrow and is even admittedly agreed by your own guildmates is wearing the same guild tag as you.

    Why do COP rarely post other than the few liars that everyone knows? They feel sorry and humuliated (chat a lil with ur guildies asking why they dont come here and "support" calistie so he had to make another account and talk in 3rd person to support himself), but they dont want to get peer pressured out of guild so they dont have the zergs to cover their rare if things turn bad.

    It saddens me that you say people lie too much after seeing some Roflcopter'ed posts from "someone" that usually stayed on screen for no more than 1 dmg taken or 10 second (which ever comes first), of course unless there's a dismount gank or super zerging action in his favor.

    If thats not a liar then everyone on stratics are all perfect human beings who have never lied not even once in their whole life.
     
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