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possiably explination about these bans.....

Discussion in 'UO Spiels N Rants' started by Alvinho, Aug 3, 2008.

  1. Alvinho

    Alvinho Great Lakes Forever!
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    First off this is speculation pure 100% speculation
    Theoretically I can see this happening, with that said here is a possiable Idea


    a certian unnamed poster recently launched himself/herself into the spotlight by claiming to releaseing dupe strategies on this forum, they are gettign their 15 minutes of fame but the IP is noted i hope form the stratics powers taht be so it can be passed on to EA. There is all possiabilities of a reverse sting of sorts happening here, noone needs to admit anyhting but if folks were to it woudl let folks know if this theory holds water.

    Again this is 100% speculation and nowhere am i stateing this is fact

    This recent poster who suposedly released this information is relatevly new to the forum under that name. Greed can take most folks at almost anytime, sure it is a human flaw that many have. Theoretically EA/Mythic could buy a domain name other thant a EA.whateverelsehere, it is relatevly cheap to do so, they do this in hopes of catching fish and here it seems alot of fish have been caught.

    EA/Mythic put up a dummy site that has some possiable way to dupe items and post the website on a fourm (stratics in this case) that logs all IP's that visit this webpage. a reletavely new poster post that they know of 4-6 active dupes that are active, which perks many folks interest to teh point they are begging each other for the addressee. Folks who go to the site to see what dupes are active then are basicly snared into the web of a trap that has been set, Sure you just visited a website investigateing that would fly for a handfull of folks others are there to see how this is done inorder to try it for themselfs atleast once, then do whatever from there on.

    I am sure I can elaborate more on this speculation but it woudl become a much more boreing read that it already is.

    Is this a possiability sure, is it fact? NOWHERE am i saying this. this is all speculation. Those who have been snared this last week post if you happened to go to this website leaked onto this forum and we can see if this holds water
     
  2. A.Entreri

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    isn't that called entrapment?
     
  3. Barry Gibb

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    Do you also think the moon landings were staged? This is a rediculous speculation.

    Something like this would constitute a scam, and any company doing something like this would be severely punished (criminaly and civily). A large corporation, like EA, would have way more to lose then gain from this type of action.

    I hope other readers can see how idiotic this speculation is.

    Stayin Alive,

    BG
     
  4. the 4th man

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    As much as I'd like to say that sounds like entrappment, the feds do the same thing. Visit some website run by nationalists that pose aa threat to our national security, and you will get investigated. No if's and's or buts.......

    After reading all I have, I am so glad I have never had the millions to even be tempted to buy a hammer or kit......took me eons just to get the bods for a single barbed kit, and an aggy hammer.

    Now I'm paranoid to even think about selling them.:coco:
     
  5. Basara

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    You probably think that the child predator stings are entrapment too - as they work the exact same way.
     
  6. Alvinho

    Alvinho Great Lakes Forever!
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    How is it entrapemnt when it is being done by a Game manufacturer in attempts to rids its own game of unscrupules folks? Sure there will be some innocent folks caught as i stated before, however this is a virtural world and the rules are put forth by the designers/current owners and in their rules it says they can do whatever tehy like wiht items in their game even though folks are payinga subscribtion to access the game/information on thier servers

    9. Termination.
    PLEASE READ CAREFULLY. THIS SECTION EXPLAINS WHAT HAPPENS IF YOUR ACCOUNT IS TERMINATED.

    Either you or Electronic Arts may terminate your Account at any time without further obligation to the other. Further, Electronic Arts reserves the rights to terminate the Service at any time without further obligation to you. IF THE SERVICE OR YOUR ACCOUNT IS TERMINATED OR CANCELED AT ANY TIME FOR ANY REASON, YOU AGREE TO THE FOLLOWING: (1) YOU WILL NOT BE ENTITLED TO ANY REFUND OR PRORATION OF ANY FEES OR UNUSED ACCESS TIME; (2) YOU WILL NOT HAVE ACCESS TO ANY CHARACTERS DEVELOPED OR ITEMS ACCUMULATED AND YOU WILL NOT HAVE THE RIGHT TO TRANSFER, SELL OR ASSIGN ANY CHARACTERS OR ITEMS TO ANYONE ELSE; (3) YOU MAY NOT ACCESS THE SERVICE IN ANY MANNER OR FOR ANY REASON, INCLUDING VIA ANY OTHER ACCOUNT. IN THE EVENT THAT AN ACCOUNT IS TERMINATED, Electronic Arts MAY TERMINATE ANY AND ALL OTHER ACCOUNTS THAT SHARE THE MEMBER NAME, PHONE NUMBER, EMAIL ADDRESS, INTERNET PROTOCOL ADDRESS OR CREDIT CARD NUMBER WITH THE TERMINATED ACCOUNT.


    This is what some may percieve as entrapment, however you and the poster above you do not seem to be one of the recently banned folks so you woudl not know if the theory holds water.

    I would love to see a reply frmo a few of teh recently banned folks to see if this is possiably what had happened to them
     
  7. Erekose

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    LOL. Entrapment only applies to law enforcement, not game companies. UO isn't real life...
     
  8. Sarphus

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    All UO accounts are property of EA. They can choose to terminate any account at any time for any reason.

    Entrapment doesn't apply.

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    For entrapment to apply, EA would have to be doing something that involves the US court system. As far as I know they aren't.

    Sometimes I wish they would just sue the pants off some of the bigger duping operations.
     
  9. A.Entreri

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    say what you will. he's talking about ea employees posting on this site as dupers to come to their website, then ban anyone who goes there. those kiddie porn sting are done through chat rooms and stuff. they arent posting on forums saying come to this kiddie porn site. oh and real clever bringing pedophilia to these arguments.
     
  10. Ender

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    Not sure if this is what happened, but if it was, then that's a genius move by the devs. Absolutely brilliant. How many 100% honest players will visit sites that contain information on how to cheat or dupe?
     
  11. Revenant2

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    I'ma guess taht they could do such a thing and have no 'legal' problems whatsoever, but I could also be guessing wrong.

    I can't see them allowing the ruse to go on for so long that the game market actually got flooded with dupe items, though. And that seems to be the case here.
     
  12. A.Entreri

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    ya, but its the principle . theres more that one way to skin a cat.
     
  13. Alvinho

    Alvinho Great Lakes Forever!
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    how is this a rant, It is speculation adn was asking those who were banned if this was a possiability that happened to them
     
  14. Barry Gibb

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    Hey OP,

    When did I say this was entrapment? Thanks for putting words in my mouth. Since I am not one of the banned posters, I guess I have no credibility. How Ironic. I am glad to not be one of the banned folks, since I do not deal in shady items.

    Ohh, btw man landed on the moon.

    -BG
     
  15. packrat

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    This would take so many man hours and tracking it would not be worth their resources to do this. If I remember right, you need a court order once you get past a certain point. Can you imagin the pain it would be to find out who used a certain computer at a certain coffee shop, at a certain time, on a certain day, a month ago? To catch someone that visited a dummy site because EA posted the bait. I would rather them spend that time and money fixing what we have now.
     
  16. Restroom Cowboy

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    First off, beerman didnt dupe, he tested out a theory when a recent publish was released and discovered for himself that a new dupe did exist. Upon doing so, he sent in bug report and emailed Jeremy of his findings. A bit over two weeks later after hearing nothing back from UO Bugs or Jeremy he made a direct request for action to be taken on the dupe. When no dialog followed he released the dupe publicly, in the hopes that public view would expediate the process of having the bug fixed.

    Here we are over a month later, something is finally being done. How long do you think it would have taken the developers to cut off character transfers and noob accounts if this stuff never made it to the public eye? Think what you will, and speculate all you like, truth is Beerman72 only wanted what was good for the game...which was to see the dupe fixed and the asshats using it removed.

    In regards to your original post Alvinho, Beerman asks about the dialog you and he had in regards to the duping, or in your own words that lack of. You wish to speculate on him now eh, the same person you called a liar but whom you now see was telling the truth? As I said he never did anything wrong besides finding something fishy then reporting it to the proper people. yeah stratics has his IP, so what?

    Its been nearly two months since you and Beerman got into it over the recent dupes existence, dont you think its time you got over being buttsore about being wrong as to its existence? Cmon now sir, all the guy ever did was stick up for the game and all of its players. He got banned from the forums he posted on because he actually believed in trying to help make things right, he didnt beleive in lining his own pocket. Get over it already would ya?
     
  17. Alvinho

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    Loking back at my history, I have never had any such conversation about no dupes existing, so I am not sure at what you are gettign at.

    My post simply put is asking any of those who were banned this week, and no My accounts are active, if they had visited any sited claiming to be able to dupe. Unless you can show me where I said dupeing was ok, which I am very strong against it , anyone trying to buy a certian set or single item out of a few sets I have can tell you that I dont play that bull**** dupeing crap
     
  18. Restroom Cowboy

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    I didnt say ANYWHERE that you said it was ok, what I was getting at is that you and Beerman had an arguement over the authenticity of the dupe, which you then claimed he was blowing HOT air.

    Again, perhaps you ought to check yourself before you *speculate* on others. Beerman DID NOT dupe, still doesnt, and probably never will. Its pretty goofed up that you bust someones balls that cannot even defend themselves....for something they didnt even do.
     
  19. Alvinho

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    Funny If it is the same Beerman That I knew he and his wife were in the same guild I was in one time and we got along just fine, and knows my stance on anything that is not legitimate, thus the reason I left the guild that we 3 were in, as far as me slaming anyone I am just speculateing on the reasoning on why folks were banned, not makeing any acusations but speculation on those that were banned if tehy had visited certian website as a common link of this whole mess