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Potion Kegs. What is their use (or advantage)?

Discussion in 'UHall' started by Trevelyan, Jun 14, 2010.

  1. Trevelyan

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    - Potions stack up to 60,000
    - Potion kegs hold 100 potions

    - Potions can be turned in to community collections in a stack
    - Potion kegs cannot

    - Potions use 1 bottle per potion
    - Potion kegs require 1 more bottle per potion be used, in the construction of the keg

    Potions weigh 1 stone per potion, but can be added to a community deed
    - Potion kegs weigh 1 stone per potion and cannot be community deeded

    So erm, other than being able to be dyed, what is the point of the potion kegs nowadays?

    I would suggest improvements be made to maintain their useability:

    • Increase the amount of potions that are able to be stored
    • Reduce the weight of the potions stored
    • Allow kegs to be handed in to community collections (act as a container, perhaps?)



    There still is no real "advantage" other than weight here, but at least it would keep them useful within UO.

    Any other ideas?
     
  2. Cear Dallben Dragon

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    being able to have a supply in your house you can derive from without a commodity deed box. and Deco. Other than that, will everyone on atl please stop selling kegs on your vendors and use deeds. :heart: Cear
     
  3. Stupid Miner

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    They're good for annoying customers. :thumbup1:
     
  4. Gheed

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    I think you need 10 bottles to make the keg. From there you only need one bottle to fill the keg. So 100 potions take 100 bottles if you stack. But only require 11 bottles for a keg. And you get one of those bottles back after the keg is full so 10 bottles used really. At least I think that is how it works.

    I cant remeber how easy bottles are to come by. Are they a set price buying in stacks of 500?

    It is a pretty small advantage but yes I agree with you on doing something to kegs a little more usefull.
     
  5. Gheed

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    Allow folks to drink the whole keg at once, modifying the length of the effect by the amount the keg is charged. So a full keg of strength potions lasts 100 times longer than a single use. The effect will still wear on death.
     
  6. JC the Builder

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    The advantage for potion kegs was potions did not use to be stackable. Increasing the amount of potions they store would not be realistic.

    Maybe they should nerf potions so you can only have 5 or 10 in a stack.
     
  7. DevilsOwn

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    it's just one bottle for the keg .. make the first, dump it into the keg and from there on out all that you make go directly into the keg ... as long as you keep that bottle empty, you'll only ever need one to make all potion kegs
     
  8. Tina Small

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    When I get in the mood to garden, I usually lock down in the middle of the gardening area a keg or two each of the potions I use for gardening. The plants are also locked down (forces me to log in every day). Using the locked down kegs to apply potions to the plants works out well for me because then I can use different characters on the account to tend the plants and none of them is loaded down with stacks of bottled potions that I might have to remove before they do something else. And, as Devil's Own pointed out, it's also a lot cheaper in the long run for my alchemist to just refill the kegs if I have kegs from before potion bottles stacked and rarely use those potions for anything but gardening.
     
  9. chuckoatl

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    Here is an idea, just use potions and dont worry about kegs :p
     
  10. Mapper

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    If I want to make 10 kegs for gardening, I need 100 bottles, Plus 1 to fill it. If I want to use potions instead of kegs, I need 1000 bottles.

    I know what I prefer. :)

    And don't forget I can then refill the entire keg with just 1 bottle.
     
  11. Nexus

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    Also if you are supplying guild mates with pots before going PvPing or Spawning, you can set security on the kegs, allowing them to top off their own empty bottles. They can't unlock and pick up a stack of bottles...
     
  12. Cailleach

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    I used to make kegs, but, they're a PITA. You need a carp and a tinker, for a start. And, when you keep over 1000 of each potion to hand, for gardening and to supply a couple of dexxers, it starts to get heavy on lockdowns. I LOVE that potion bottles stack and can be deeded now. I'm in the process of filling a pot order for someone who is supplying his own bottles - all 230k of 'em. If I could only use kegs, the lockdowns and delivery of the finished pots would be an absolute nightmare. Because I can use bottles and deed them, the whole thing is sooooo much easier. If I ever run a pot vendor again, I will be selling in bottles. If you deal in bulk, bottles are just so much better.
     
  13. Lady Storm

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    Back in early days a full keg weighed 20 stones cost 10 bottles to make by a carpenter/tinker. These days that keg weighs 100 stone. Its a great thing to finally be able to deed them and stack 60k. But dont write off the keg, in the long run its got its use.
    For a guild if they lock down bottles for members to use you find you cant use them, but a keg can be set for use.
    Also on some shards the bloody bottles are up to 30 gps each! Talk about inflation!!
     
  14. cdavbar

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    Bulk in deeds is best for sales but i do both, i prefer the kegs for the display and the fact i can let guildies access them. My house is a never ending supply of pots for guild members in need of em.
     
  15. Khameleon

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    ya they did a real good job changing the Hue color.. or they could have picked a Whole Differant Color to USE!
     
  16. Beastmaster

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    Kegs will have a wonderful use again once they put in the wine/ale making that's been asked about for years.
     
  17. Saunders

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    Customers will find it easier to return kegs for recycling if you set up a post box to receive them. :)
     
  18. Llewen

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    Ok, how's this for an idea? Go with a full potion keg of poison potions, and throw it at a poison elemental. You get a 1 in 10,000 chance of getting back an endless poison potion keg of the appropriate poison level! Fire elementals, explosion and conflagration potions! Snow elementals, healing! Poison elementals, cure! Shadow iron elementals, night sight! And so on...

    Now you would think that would remove the necessity for alchemists in the game, but think about it, 1 in 10,000! In theory it would take on average 10,000 full kegs to get one endless one, there would never been enough of them in the game to make everyone happy at that rate. Alchemists would be burning the midnight oil churning out kegs all over Sosaria!

    Vendors could sell endless keg lotto packs comprised of ten kegs each for clients to go toss at irate elementals!

    I can see it now:

    Ok it's a really bad idea, but it's the best I could come up with on such short notice...
     
  19. Fink

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    Yes, but it's like an everlasting gobstopper; one is all anyone needs. Some civic-minded idiot would lock one down at their shop and set it to public.
     
  20. Llewen

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    hmmm, told you it was a bad idea... :)
     
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    Does that mean that anyone who drinks one will swell up, turn purple, and explode?
     
  22. Llewen

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    I'm sure there's a 50's style childhood indoctrination message there somewhere...
     
  23. Lady Storm

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    I just sat back and thought this one through...... kegs what use do I have for them?

    1. they make nifty small barrels for deco
    2. my system of plant watering and feeding is all messed up if I didnt have them in my box
    3. the cost of making them goes up mjor if I have to do just bottles... every 500 bottles you buy it goes up in cost and on some shards bottles are starting at 28 gp each!!
    4. Storage/crafting my poor carpenter would be out of work UO dont have unemployment!

    ok ?? Kegs have their place dont get me wrong I like the stacking of the bottles but you cant hold many bottles and make pots like I am use to doing 3 or 4 kegs set up in my bag. In the long haul kegs are a good thing(sorry for the martha stewart quote)
     
  24. Viper09

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    Haven't read all the posts, but I got an idea I've always thought would be fun for kegs and explosion potions:

    Let us detonate kegs of explosion potions. Their power will be based on the amount of potions in the keg. Just imagine it, a full keg of greater explosion potions going off! Think of the possibilities and the blast radius! Goodbye Luna, goodbye Yew gate! :stir:
     
  25. Llewen

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    And for the record. Even though it is wonderfully convenient, stackable potions was a bad idea. Stackable pots made things much easier for scripters, and as is the entire point of this thread, ruined the utility of potion kegs.
     
  26. Coppelia

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    Everytime you make something easier for real players, scripters get also an advantage. Stop getting stuck on what scripters can do, just play the game and enjoy the enhancements. You could cut off the hands of every character in order to prevent scripting, it would still hurt real players more. And if you don't want to give anything to scripters, you won't add anything anymore.
    So just move on.
     
  27. Llewen

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    Well I feel it is an important enough issue in game terms that I won't "just move on". I'm going to keep posting about this issue and the effect it has on the game, as I have consistently throughout the time I have been posting here.

    Having said that let's hope the third party app detection actually improves the situation in game. Based on what I am seeing in game, even though they have yet to actually ban anybody as a result of third party app detection, just the threat of it has changed the way a significant number of people play the game.

    But they clearly need to follow through now and ban those who haven't changed their behaviour. There aren't anywhere near as many as there used to be, but they are still out there. The big danger is that they don't follow through, and eventually everyone realizes that all the talk was just that, talk, and things will be as bad, or worse, than they ever were.

    But back on topic, I honestly don't see how the stacking changes made things all that much better for honest players. The only people I know carrying hundreds of potions in pvp are people using health scripts. People that play the game the way it is intended to be simply don't need to carry that many.

    Reversing that change would restore the usefulness of potion kegs, and it would also act as a deterrent to the over use of potions in pvp, whether honestly, or through the use of health scripts.
     
  28. Coppelia

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    It's great when you don't have UOA.
     
  29. Fink

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    A weight reduction for potion kegs would be good.

    Something like.. base weight of the empty keg is still twenty stones, each potion weighs half a stone inside the keg. A full keg would weigh seventy stones.

    This could also benefit potion stacks as it means empty bottles would only weigh half a stone. So a hundred potion stack would weigh one hundred stones, a hundred bottle stack would weigh fifty stones.

    Keg: 0-100 potions = 20-70 stones
    Stack: 0-100 potions = 50-100 stones
     
  30. Rakoth

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    I might be mis-remembering, or crossing UO and Ultima, but I seem to recall that, Back in the Day, you could indeed use one purple potion to set off another purple potion, thereby making it possible to create a string of detonations. Or one really big uber-blast.
     
  31. Aurelius

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    A bit obscure, but in the very unlikely event that you use all the charges on your vet reward cannon, you need an explosion potion keg to recharge it.
     
  32. Percivalgoh

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    I'm not sure I think you could detonate them by chain reaction but I never tried it. That was the suicide bomber tactic before. People would walk inot a group of individuals and set off several pots blowing themselves up and killing all those around them too.