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Problems in Despise

Discussion in 'UHall' started by Mr. Smither1, Aug 31, 2012.

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  1. Mr. Smither1

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    Biggest problem is players can kill your wisp controlled pet to grief you. Controlled pets will attack each other. Controlled pets will sometimes lock on to a monster they can't attack and won't follow even set on a short leash and defensive. You can get summoned to the boss level and be stuck or your pet will be stuck. You get no credit for the kill and can't even loot the boss corpse when it goes public, you can see the items but it won't let you pick them up. I already saw the post bout invisible barriers that either stop you or lag you. Some of pets don't work as well as others vs the boss.
     
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    Having someone mirror image next to my monster making it attack them is pretty annoying lol
     
  3. Miri of Sonoma

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    I am having trouble keeping the controlled pet alive with bandies. Seems like I get the same message (barely helps) as I get when I try to heal someone's dragon. Are bandies not supposed to work on them??
     
  4. Adol

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    Well, I tried the new Dungeon Despise content today. And I wanted so much to love it, I really did. I managed to get a pet up to Level 10, and get into the Final Battle... only for my pet to get stuck at it's spawn point and be unable to leave, so I couldn't do anything but heal everyone else's pets. But only a few made it through, and it took 30 minutes just to get the boss down to 75% health. I've not seen the Call To Arms since, so I've a horrible suspicion that you can only have 1 boss fight up at once... now the people fighting were doing so honestly, but if this is the case, they've held up the entire shard since.

    That's only the start of the problem though.

    IT'S POSSIBLE TO KILL THE OTHER SIDES PETS WITHOUT RISK

    I discovered this with a certain idiot on Europa who was throwing poison fields everywhere, and then aggressively insulting people for being unable to control their own pets because he either didn't know or didn't care to understand what was happening. You see, even on defensive, if a pet crosses a poison field they'll flag against a players pet of a different karma, and cannot be called off because each damage tick seems to reset the aggression flag. Perhaps he was trying to force people into levelling up his pet for him?

    Worse still, this then opens up the ability for the player themselves to attack the opposing pet and kill it, and even a tier 10 pet can't take more than a few e-bolts, and they can't defend themselves from the player. Thus a single person can run around the entire dungeon, dropping fields, and wipe out everyone's efforts there.

    It was small consolation to prove this, after staring in disbelief at the sheer selfish idiocy of dropping a second wave of fields to try and hog a good spawn point to himself, Mr Idiot started insulting me again and warning he'll kill my pet if it crosses his special Idiot-Line... which I promptly did and then slaughtered his own pet.

    What a simply delightful way to celebrate this 15th Anniversary, eh?

    FIX THIS IMMEDIATELY.
     
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    You would think it would be fairly easy to apply the same pet or summons flagging rules to these new creatures. Problem solved.
     
  6. Winker

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    Funy thing is i had a similar problem on Europa. People have found out you can hand out some grief in tram and they are doig it... :(
     
  7. Picus of Napa

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    This was already spoken about in another thread, what did you all expect when you can flag people with no downside. Again another tug of the devs not having a good understanding of the game and spending to much time inside of protective layers.
     
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    Why tram sucks!

    All the people that cry fel is full of jerks and kids will once again be reminded or the trash the haunts tram!
     
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    I kind of think of it as.... "diet pvp".

    There's been some entertaining lulz so far. Still, it's pretty stupid.
     
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    Yes Bravo Devs!!!

    What an idiotic set up that is. A player with the opposite karma of your creature can kill it and there's nothing you can do beyond trying to heal or hide it. But since those things are so weak a couple good hits and it dies in 2 seconds.

    Some negative karma guy on Pac is running around killing everyone's pets as we speak. Now if I could kill him then we'd have something, but sadly all we can do is stand there and watch.

    Yep pretty much done with this ******** thing already.
     
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    I can't recall but am I correct in that Messana never pvp'd?
     
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    And yet you, as a Fel jerk, had to come here and trash talk thus proving... what exactly?

    Incidentally the first person who tried to grief me was a PvPer from Fel, only he didn't have the PvM skill to do it properly; he tried to release mobs from the prison cell to the north, and then energy field around me so I couldn't move the pet, but I simply healed the pet on the bandage timer, whilst spell casting on the other to remove the extra spawn. The point being that, where the gaming mechanics are actually well designed, where there's a genuine balanced field, you don't need to worry about people's character at all, it'll come down to skills or understanding the rule set. The reason idiocy is going to come out in Despise is that it's a ridiculous design flaw which basically makes it easy for idiots to clear the hurdles. Posting dumb one liners online levels of easy. And idiots need that level of ease, otherwise they can't survive, let alone flourish.
     
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    The issue with people getting stuck in Despise has been validated and acknowledged by the dev team. The GM's have been asked to place a flowstone to block those locations until this can be fixed.

    Thank you for the heads up Adol! Much appreciated!
     
  14. Picus of Napa

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    I don't think you play in fel nor understand the depth that a person could grief this if they do desired.
     
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    Yeah, this will get bad fast with all the "kiddies" we have around these days. No offense to the younger ones who play, kiddie is a mentality.. not an age. ;)
     
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    everyones pets on both sides flag me
     
  17. Adol

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    I've already commented in my bug report of a simple way you could lock down the entire event; But my wider point was that the worse you design the rules, the more leeway there is, and the less actual outright intelligence is required to take advantage of this, because there's less you have to take into account and work around. It's easier to run wild when there are no restrictions, and correspondingly, far less impressive. Thus I just find it ridiculous to claim any superiority for griefing in this way; heck, if I've never played in Felucca and I could instantly abuse the process to crush Mr Idiot with only 30 minutes experience with the new content, how hard can it be? I just think it's a terrible thing to let get to live servers, hence my righteous anger about something which should have been fun for everyone.

    Also... City of Heroes is being closed with almost immediate effect, which also adds to a ruined evening... *waves fist at sky* Damn you all to hell!

    Edit: And Europa just crashed and reverted for the second time in 2 days, aarghghghhghh
     
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    I hate to burst your little bubble thinking you killed some uber PvPer, but I really doubt the person you're referring to is a PvPer and if he is, he's some noobie gate hugger.

    A real PvPer would have no problem wasting your creature since the best PvMers are also PvPers.
     
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    AH this thread needs to be locked!!:dunce:

    :gun: This is NOT PvP in tram it is simply players have found a way to play either side, and cause grief BUT ----

    If you are evil and your pet is evil you go into the Goodie Too Shoe side of the Batttle :scholar:

    If you are Good Karma and you enter the Battle you go into the Bad side!!! :scholar: SO HOW IS IT YOU THINK YOU WHERE FIGHTING BOTH TYPES ON THE ISLAND - I DON'T THINK YOU WHERE!!! :banana:

    :stretcher: The probelms you are having in during the time when you are Training your critter evil critter and good critters cna intermingle during their training and in that GRIEFERS have found a way to, well just grief!!!

    If you are Bad Karma - then EVERY good karma crature should do everything in its power to destryo you, ALL of them same goes for the oppsite side.:gee:

    :pirate: I screwed around a little and tried to get a Bad Karma Critter and change it to good Karma, which take Level 4 +1 Kill to turn blue and had to work 4 of them up since EVERYONE wanted to kil the grey one, my choice, so I was not griefed but in the same set somone else could do this just to be a griefer.

    So it has NOTHING to do with PvP just a simple screw up in game mechanics that can and is allowing for Red PvP ****** Bags, on blue chars, to practice their art in Tram, Griefing!!

    Also sadley this has ot be one of the lamest designs I have ever encountered. NO , and i Mean NO skill involved whatsoever. Grab a critter, heal him ( and i think a Chiv guy with 60 chiv could keep one alive ), train him up to 10 or more, conscript into the fight and let other pets do the work. I was there and only one Critter took damage and i had a level 13 Phantom and i didn't even get looting rights. :gee:
     
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    Good grief, you guys are just determined to prove the stereotypes correct aren't you? How much simpler do I have to spell it out before it'll be comprehensible? THERE'S. NO. SKILL. IN. ABUSING. THIS. I'm not claiming skill. I'm arguing against it having any. Does it dent your narcissism so much to be made aware of the simple reality that it's easier to be nasty than good? Furthermore, the only PvPer I mentioned was someone who tried to grief me. And was too incompetent to do it. But he's No True Scotsman, I'll bet. How would I kill him in Trammel anyway? Who even made the argument that I did? Or wanted too? Or...

    Look, stop proving my point you guys; this is a design screw up, that's why you get to wibble on like this; in a tightly-implemented design, there'd be no space for this idiocy, simple as that!
     
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    The issue is not fel or tram. It is griefers. They will grief where they can, if they can do it wth no consequence then they love that. The normally placid Drachenfels general chat channel has been active with complaints about Despise griefing tonight.
     
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    Well as usual on my shard the "kiddies" are out in full force in Tram killing everyone elses creatures and then getting a few of their own and brining them over to agro on you.... killing you. Then it's rinse and repeat...
     
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    Tell the 2 turd burglars above you because according to the Trammie crybabies all of the people doing the grieving are "Red PvP ****** Bags, on blue chars".

    Mind you they have no proof of this, but that is of course the only logical explanation their little brains could come up with.
     
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    This is just silly. Please dev team, stop making UO look silly.

    Players told you this would happen & it did. Yet you let the design publish. Ack!

    If you think the griefers will tire of this and move on, you are wrong. The boredom level for the "bad at pvp except when cheating or griefing" players is at an all time high. These are the reds that went red killing friends. You have given them their finest moment.
     
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    Yes my TINY BRAIN tells me this because 90% of it is true, since i recognized 4 of the chars doing it, oh wait my brain cannot comprehend it. Is that enough proof for you?

    Your comment from a person who chooses to have a sig Legendary Troublemaker LMAO
     
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    Oh my god, you fools are ridiculous.

    You clearly hate PvPers and therefore never PvP, yet apparently know all the PvPers on your shard and their alts.

    On Pac the asshats running around killin other people's pets are in a blue tram guild that since I do PvP I know for a fact that they are not PvPers, but frustrated Trammies who wish they had enough skill to PvP, but instead have found a way to grief everyone PvPer or not with this latest joke of UO content.
     
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    Thanks for the migraine. Some of have reading comprehension skills that do not require multi color fonts and Giant fonts all in caps.
    Take your Ritalin moron.......
    ibtl
     
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    Perhaps a mod could delete all of the fel and tram whine posts so this thread could focus on Adol's original message?

    It is possible to grief in despise now. It also happens in error as has happened to me and I, unfortunately, also did when someone wandered too close before they got their pet turned blue.
     
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    Yeah this ****'s whack. Can't even get pets on boss at end because Despise's choke bridge. They could have at least fleshed out the bridge, you don't need a choke point if the corrupt wisp is going to have a timed leash. But oh well, made 399 pts at least.
     
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    I don't know why so many people had to turn this into another "I hate Fel and PvPers" thread instead of focusing on the problem.

    Yes, I've been an ass in this thread, but only after reading multiple posts putting all the blame for this mess on "those evil red PvPers" when clearly it's alot of different people doing this and I felt like yet again my playstyle was being attacked for no good reason.
     
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    New bug that have seen twice so far the boss and wisp start auto healing and can't not be killed. We had 9 pets on the discoed boss and all of us on the wisp and they the wisp would get down a bit then auto heal and even our pets were auto healing at this point.
     
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    Can we get a limit on font size please?
    *chuckles*
     
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    Yeah the whole thing is borked.

    I would act surprised that this content got released to live shards in this condition, but knowing EA it's pretty typical.
     
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    So EA should hire people who have that kiddie mindset and just look for ways to grief folks 23/7? Or should they pay all the kiddies to hit TC1 to test their ability to grief there?
     
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    bad game design strikes again. on chessy the 3 idiots killing peopls pets are the same guild that plays blue guard zone hugging trammies at yew gate. really pathetic.
     
  36. MalagAste

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    Can we get back on subject?

    It's not cool that anyone can attack your leashed pet not to mention your pet attacks other players ....... if it's learning by example then it shouldn't attack other players at all.. since well I can't. And if it's learning by example then it should annihilate players who attack it. ..... But really other players should NOT be able to attack it in the first place.
     
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    *smiles* This is on Trammel. right?
     
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    I have not tried tonight, and really don't want too lol... but earlier today I kept mine in defensive mode instead of aggressive. I had no problems after that. It still targets opposite aligned creatures once they flag it.
     
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    Nice. Care to go to post #5 and see who really started the Fel/Tram BS. Do not blame Trammies for starting this.
     
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    oh course it is. when was the last time new content was provided for the fel side.... or for your shard for that matter
     
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    Just today as a matter of fact.
     
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    Remember this is a game. If something is broken... report it. Not many play this game to test... Many play this game to exploit. Just saying.
     
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    uhm. they added ur drops to covetous am i not right?

    this dungeon should have been set up in fel
     
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    Care to state why?
     
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    I did not attack you play stule I attacked people who play just to grief if the shoe fits wear it. As i stated this is Not somthing from PvP it is from griefers!!!


    If you dont like colors and large fonts then dont post them twice in your reply.
     
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    Did I say Trammies started it? Learn to read.

    No my post didn't say anything about who started it, but the Fel hate machine sure can out in force with some seriously off the wall accusations.
     
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    It's ok I put on shades.......
     
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    We are done here for the evening. We will revisit this tomorrow. Nothing is gonna happen tonight.
     
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    Done here for the evening too. Send your feed back to Bioware. I will revisit these threads tomorrow.
     
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    I promise to make sure this is top of forum tomorrow.
     
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