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Purchased Britannian ships should never EVER be subject to decay....

Discussion in 'UHall' started by popps, Aug 25, 2014.

  1. popps

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    Just on the topic of britannian ships subject to decay........

    Since their inception, I have always said, and still think, that an item like that which is purchased for real money should never EVER be subject to decay if the account monthly subscription is paid for.......

    I can understand the issue of sea lanes being clogged, but that could be taken care of by having the ship NOT decay but be dry docked (in bank?) after the set amount ot time expires.... Yes, I mean that ALSO should the hold contain items....

    At the very least, the VERY least...., the items in the hold "could" be deleted before dry docking the ship in bank box but I'd rather prefer not...

    Regardless, an item purchased for real money should never EVER be subject to decay while an account that holds it is active....

    That's how I think about the Britannian ship.
     
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    They should decay as normal ships do and the items in the hold should be lost. They should, however, be able to redeem a new one at no cost.
     
  3. Uriah Heep

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    I personally don't think they ought to get special treatment anyway. A lot of the items from the store get used up, wear out, etc etc. It's a boat for crying out loud, a tool, and item you use. Nothing special there
     
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    Does anyone else notice a certain delicious irony in a thread titled "the Last Word" having the last words posted being from Kelmo? :D
     
  5. Lord Nabin

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    These can be secured through the in game reward systems without being purchased.

    I think its fine to have them decay.
     
  6. TheDrAJ

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    Light House!
     
  7. Uriah Heep

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    Well, there has to be some secret codeword or decoder ring or something, cuz my lighthouse lost the boat, and no, it isnt in the moving crate
     
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    boat as to be empty for the lighthouse to work, not sure about add ons though.
     
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    there is the option of a LightHouse & I don't think
    they should get any special "treatment" - so NO
     
  10. Uriah Heep

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    Seriously? Well hell, if I gotta empty it, I'll just dry dock it...sheeesh
     
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  11. MalagAste

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    The light house should work and stuff in the hold is supposed to be lost and the ship is supposed to go into your moving crate. However, this doesn't work if you haven't LINKED the boat to the lighthouse.... it also doesn't work if you transferred the boat from one char to another you might have to relink it.... also.... it won't go in there if your house inventory is full either.

    So it's really buggy. Just because you have a lighthouse doesn't mean that it will recover your boat automatically.
     
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  12. Voodoo Bad Mojo

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    ive always thought the same as the OP.
    these boats cost'd a lot of money in RL and a lot of gold in game to buy, i think its a shame they rot away like normal ones, really makes picking them up not worth it.
    and lighthouses.... yuck, dont get me going on those, ive lost so many boats to those already, now i just use them as house deco and i dont even use my Brit Boats anymore, not worth losing them.
     
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  13. Aran

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    Boats shouldn't decay period. As long as the account is open that placed it a boat should be constantly auto refreshed, just like houses.
     
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    Makes perfect sense to me. Agreed. Might have to limit boats per account, but whatever.
     
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    If you knew how the lighthouse does (or more specifically does not work) then you wouldn't have posted that.

    The lighthouse, unless it is changed, is not the answer.
     
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    Maybe changes rules for Galleons, after 5 days, move them to deep water, then after randum 5-10 days, let pirate ships sink them. Now all can entre and loot them. Now start the decay and after 5 days more the galleon will be gone or in light house.
     
  17. popps

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    Hold.....

    Let me see if I understood this right...

    The game mechanics is intended to work that, IF a ship, ANY ship (i.e. including a purchased Britannian ship...) is LINKED to a LIGHTHOUSE then when it decays, items in the hold are lost BUT the ship gets AUTOMATICALLY stored by the Lighthouse ?

    Is that so ?

    If yes, then it is pretty much close to what I would want (less the items in the Hold lost...).

    What do you mean about the boat "not going there" if the item inventory of the house is full ? That the house needs to have at least 1 item free space to hold the ship ?

    If so, I think this could be corrected and give to Lighthouses a small capacity of their own albeit limited to, say, 10 ships total ?
     
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    I am sorry, but even though I'd much like boats not to decay (lost way too many of them over the years....), I understand that if that was the case Sea lanes would make sailing a nightmare.....

    So, I cannot agree with no decay, period. This said, IF the Lighthouse was safe to use and working well, that would be a great solution to the problem....

    So, probably the real issue here is just looking up at the Lighthouses code and fine tune it for good ?
     
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    Hrmm, are you guys using the actual house owner to check for your lost boats, those of you that have it linked to a lighthouse ?

    A friend of mine recently had his boat decay, and it was linked to a lighthouse, however his account that actually owns the house is down for now.
    He says the "Moving Crate" option is greyed out for his co-owned characters.
     
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  20. azmodanb

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    If ur not using it dry dock? I don't see the issue..

    Yes u bought it. So did I.

    Mine is at home in my bag.

    This is UO not fairy tale town. ;)
     
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    I have a boat. When it's launched it's linked to the lighthouse. I do as many fishing quests as I'm in the mood for, or some mibs, then I dry dock it. You don't lose loyalty for refusing quests, only for abandoning them.
    Also I use the windows accessory 'sticky notes' The note on my desktop currently says 'boat is docked'. When I am using the boat that says 'boat is not docked'. It reminds me to refresh it.
     
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    I make sure my Brit ship is always dry docked and in my backpack before logging out. So many little bugs with this game I just feel better to be safe than sorry.
     
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    House owner looked, a couple of co-owners, and a pet cat all looked. No ship
     
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  24. Gedgerez Tesherd

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    Also allow vendors to place on all high seas ships, so people can access shop keeping on more than one low pop server. This could boost economic growth on low pop servers that lack vendors.
     
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    All this over one lost boat?
    Maybe all that needs to be done is to insure that the light house works better.
     
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  26. Lady Michelle

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    Hope players when placing lighthouses are using the owners of the house, and also double clicking on the lighthouses to link the boats to it. I know every account is allowed 1 boat per character but to be on the save side I would have each character double click the lighthouse.
     
  27. Capt. Lucky

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    My boats go home with me. I consider my Light House insurance. Hope I never need it, but if I do need it, I hope it works! With crashes and reverts of late you may think you have it safe, but who knows... I lost 3 mill in a morning Great Lakes crash about a week ago. Things can always go wrong regardless of the systems in place. Just the way it is. Just do the best you can and hope for the best. As far as the original topic... hmmm I see pros and cons. Not sure if I like the idea or not. I don't think cause it's bought at the store it has more value than someone that goes through all the quests and earns them. I would think the item earned in game would actually have more value than someone just dropping 20 bucks.
     
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    The light house is to large for a small house
     
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    I agree boats should automatically dry dock or not decay, I used to use 4 boats as decorations around my Trinsic house, refreshed daily for months, then one day real life got busy and I forgot them for a while, when I remembered and rushed over to save them the orc ship had decayed, and the three Britannian ships were about 20 minutes away from decaying as well. I got extremely lucky by getting there at the last second and still being able to save all three, unfortunately many people lose their boats every week. I would have been pretty irritated realizing that 200 million in ships (at that time) had been lost due to one mistake after months of obsessively checking on them.
     
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    I personally think that people who put the time an effort into in-game farming this boat have more of a sense of loss than those who simply RMTed to attain them.

    But nonetheless. Ships at deep sea, it is understandable that they decay permanently (regardless of what they are), however the decay rate (which has been changed back to the original 14 days according to UO.com producer updates) was quite silly. I lost a dozen or so Orc ships over the course of 2 days when the decay rate was changed originally (simply because I was unaware of it and also house sitting for a friend, each of them sat for about 36 hours since they had last been refreshed as I typically refreshed them daily, if not then at the very least every other day). Either way, what is lost is lost and as much as it may suck the chances of ever retrieving what you lost (unless you had a lighthouse) are slim to none. On a side note, despite the fact that we are owed an apology for this oversight on the Developer's end (that we will more than likely never receive), at least it has been recognized as an issue and thus has been amended.

    Anyways folks, it could always be worse. You could lose a "blessed" house (typically Large Towers, Keeps, Castles) placed in 97 that was decorated by staff and was a part of your server's early history and player providence. Simply because servers don't update fast enough to refresh houses when accounts are re-activated. RIP Baja Mage Tower (Caught at somewhat worn, decayed 8 hours later) and others like it.

    o7
     
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    Rip mage tower was a huge loss.
     
  32. Viquire

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    Once upon a time we had dockmasters. They would "stable" your empty ship for a fee. I wonder if they could be made to stable non empty ships for more money. That might be a decent gold sink.

    The light house should work as advertised, period.

    All ships should be subject to decay, even on active accounts. Unless, like housing, we are willing to limit, severely, the amount of boats an account can have active.

    Last, there is only one kind of Britannian Ship. The game is not looking at how that ship was brought into existnce once it is placed in the water. And satisfying a relatively small portion of the population with a, obviously, hefty task of delving once again into the game code regarding ships is not likely to be the best use of our still rather limited developer resources
     
  33. Peekay

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    As I recall, the ticket claim method of ship long ago was a method of dealing with ship overpopulation. (It used to be impossible to do anything at the harbors due to the vast amount of ships)

    On a side note, I found this kicking around in one of my bags of forgotten rares :X

    [​IMG]
     
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