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Put some "Native American" themed items into the game?

Discussion in 'UHall' started by Hunters' Moon, Apr 9, 2010.

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  1. Hunters' Moon

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    This was something I was wanting to post during the thanksgiving holiday and the "turkey hunt" that the Devs made available,but never got around to it...until now.

    Just a few things I would like to see introduced would go something like this.

    Armor: Add a wolf and eagle headdress that is comparable(or maybe even craftable?) to the bear and buck headdress that we already have.

    House Deco:Craftable Dreamcatchers,and Teepee "walls" added to the house custom options.

    This is all I can come up with right now because it's late. I may add more ideas later. So what do you think? I am sure it's do-able,but will the Devs be interested in adding something like this?
     
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    I can't lie down in my bed to have any dreams. :(
     
  3. Hunters' Moon

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    You would only lose out on the bad dreams.
     
  4. Derium of ls

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    While I HATED the japan stuff they did, and more so the Tom Mcfarland C-R-A-P that was put in because (Tom's stuff is = to an preschool kids skill) I hated that we moved away from the typical 'middle English' theme.

    I will say that not they broke that and started adding in other things, I would like to seem them honor other customs. Even little items as you stated, Deco is huge in this game now, so even if Native American items were added for home, I would be happy.
     
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    I agree and it is my feeling that the items/house custom additions would not overpower anything. I do fear that anything non-asian and non-garg would not get much consideration :(
     
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    I think if they slowly released a few items from each culture it would be pretty big, You could hang your dream catchers and that would not be ruining anyones gameplay. people get pretty creative with Decro in their house, and everyone loves holiday stuff to put up.

    Anyone know why they did the whole Japan thing? I know they did Tom Mcfarlands stuff because he created it for an Ultima project that was scrapped, so they just tossed it into the game
     
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    i must have missed that expansion Of Uo cow boy and indians...

    imo that would be a waste of time.
     
  8. Mairut

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    I believe they did they japan/asian theme when they opened up the asian shards. To show good will or that it is possible to have asian themes and UO go hand-in-in hand. I'm sure there's a quote around here somewhere from one of the devs about that.
     
  9. Hunters' Moon

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    Native Americans...
     
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    I agree.
    Now Im from Europe and even here the Japan / asian themes is so much different. I just hate picking up a weapon named wakabudu or bokuto and whatnot. The culture is just so different.

    I think Ultima would be better off adding fiction based on fantasy and not adopt names and cultures from the real world.


    Although I do have an understanding of UO being big in asia and thus "bigger market".
     
  11. Merion

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    Pirates first! Indigenous people later!
     
  12. Hunters' Moon

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    But that door has been opened with the release of SE. Fair for one is fair for all,right?
     
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    If pirates were introduced in true form,this would mean the addition of single-shot pistols and muskets....which means gunpowder.....umm no please. I would rather stare at neon-covered bank-sitters all day.
     
  14. Merion

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    By the way, on could say we already have indigenous tribes, with the savages and juka :p


    (just joking, don't you your panties in a bunch)
     
  15. Hunters' Moon

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    Well...I suppose maybe...possibly...the "savages" could be seen as the Blackfoot Tribe....I guess...
     
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    Well, we already have cannons in the game... But muskets and such would be a really bad idea indeed. But the general idea and theme of pirates would be great. Like brigands sailing around on ships, maybe cannons (or make them catapults) on ships. New Water monster, underwater dungeon, water champ spawn only doable from boats, new weapons (harpoon, yar!) and so forth. There are so many great ideas floating around (bad pun intended) for a pirate expansion.
     
  17. Aran

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    Yes, they'd be totally out of character and wrong for UO, what with the robots with lasers and the Japanese dragons in this here classical-Europe-style medieval RPG...
     
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    I agree with the OP.

    I've always seen roleplayed 'Wood Elves' as culturally similar to Native Americans; but that has a little more to do with the books I read. The Savages and Orcs could also have some Primative Tribal and Shamanistic Themes.

    There are several examples of Asian Culture in the Ultima Canon Games.
     
  19. Aran

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    I think what would save UO is if we exterminated all non-human races and went back to our roots.

    Humanity is supreme, the other races drag us down.
     
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    OK for those that may have misunderstood what I am actually asking for,I will recap.

    1)Dreamcatcher graphic
    2)Eagle and Wolf Headdress graphic to go along with the buck and bear headdress.
    3)New teepee "walls" added to the house custom menu

    What I am not asking for

    1)New expansion with more unneeded lands
    2)New skill(s) that must be balanced against already existing templates.
    3)Anything that would be overpowering even in the least.
     
  21. Uvtha

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    Id be all for more animal hats. So long as they don't look stupid.
     
  22. quig

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    No way we need Canadian items in game! Like Moose and toques and loons (the bird loon not players, we have plenty of those).
     
  23. Aran

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    And a hockey mini-game, eh!
     
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    :) Try being in character as a savage in native garb only, in an itemised artie sort of game and just playin a savage to pvp or even pvm with.......... all ya end up as is a corpse. :(

    So much potential artistically that they could put/add dreamcatchers into the game even as *savages* for their homes in UO, or some other items even a bit more orcy. But they do not.

    Architecturally or artistically, they could add anything *more* that could be from UO human history time of many euro cultures too, for housing addons etc. since people have traveled since the beginnings of time, every culture has a bit of just about every other culture in it anyhow.

    Our npc gypsies have tents, would not be a far stretch to permit our *savages* to have tents or huts that remotely resemble Native Americans either..with dream catchers kin paint and spiffy new headdresses..which actually have the %%%%%%%%%% to be worth wearing to fight in or pvp with or pvm with besides kin paint and a spear that amt to ..........being naked and defenseless. For that matter let US be gypsies ! :) Give us some tents, some fancy rugs, tapestries imported from Hungry or Romania or Ancient Persia ;) , let us live the simpler life in UO, yet able to compete in the pvp and pvm as *natives.*

    :)
     
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    Imbued bone armor and spears.

    Next!
     
  26. Violence

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    Can I haz real dual wield skill first or at least dual versions of all one-handed weapons? And timers on all potions?... :sad2:
     
  27. Cal_Mythic

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    Before this goes too far off the rails ... :)

    Being of African descent and part Algonquin (no my hair does not flow) ... I think we really have to consider what Ultima and Ultima Online are actually about.

    Unfortunately canon does not contribute to the idea ... however that does not mean that even if it's not overtly done, that there are not way we can incorporate some of the aesthetic aspects of the culture.

    That's big words for ... "There might be cool stuff we could do ... but I doubt it will be anything major ..."

    We have other stuff to do first :)

    - c
     
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    I kind of like to see some Roman weapons and armour maybe some Ancient Greek weapons and armour .
     
  29. longshanks

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    i sorta thought the True Brits ran all the native americans off their lands. I know for a fact that they bought Britain for 8 copper shillings and a gwenno's harp.

    In all seriousness anything the Dev's choose to put in game to pay tribute to a particular heritage would be fine by me.

    Hey Cal,

    I'm Italian. Any chance of getting some hanging provolone and Prosuitto I can hang in my Kitchen???

    Please.
     
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    I'd like to see that...

    Along with new boats and a Pirate expansion that adds life to the seas... part of UO that's been sadly left behind for far too long!

    And I'd LOVE to have a dead wolf pelt and eagle to adorn my head... especially since they've taken away my nice circlet and given me the dead deer back for my headdress...


    Actually I'd much prefer the ability to "Alter" any item from one slot to another item of the same slot... so I can alter the Rune beetle carapace into some nice leaf armor.... so I can keep with my "elvenness" and not have to dress like I'm an insane tourist.

    I'd like to alter my hunters headdress into a nice circlet... and then alter my leather leggings into leaf leggings.... And I think you get the picture Cal.

    If Gargoyle have taught us how to Unravel things.... one would think that we could learn to alter them as well...

    I'd say that you could keep the properties of the item but just change the appearance.... however if you take plate armor so long as it's not "mage" armor... it's NEVER going to be Medable... But I think it would be very nice to allow us to alter our armor...

    And of course in this way if you wanted to play a "savage" you could alter your runebeetle carapace into a very nice bone armor one...

    I'd say you could implement this with some sort of need for "resources" such as using up some of the currently useless items like "Fur"... and those little trees you get from doing Lady M... and how about using things like that stuff you get from killing Troglodytes... I forget what it's called right now.... I'm so bad with names. Anyway there are 100's of things in-game that can be gathered but have ZERO use. You could even put to use more of the ingredients that we currently use... like Peerless stuff, Blight, Scourge and whatnot...

    But that's my thoughts on the matter.
     
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    Ice skating during the winter with bone sticks and hitting blackrock around the ice for the win.

    I like the idea of more masks. I would also like more trophies from animals and monsters. Dragon, wolf, pig, pirate...all whatever masks are good in my book. Allow them to be imbueable though.

    -Lorax
     
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    And what is Ultima and Ultima Online about to you,Cal?
     
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    I'd like to see a Scottish theme where men in kilts gather together in Skara Brae and get drunk then batter each other with an assortment of deadly weapons.

    Oh wait, we can do all that already. Add whisky and haggis to the game and we're all set.
     
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    This,also,would be a good addition. I have asked many times for brewing to be added,but the devs have dismissed the idea every time.
     
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    OK, if anyone wants to discuss who is more native, where and why - please take it to OT-NHB.
    Do not have this discussion here. Or else.
     
  36. Berethrain

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    Oh yes, and then we can add skyscrapers, automatic rifles, and then we can run around playing cowboys and indians while driving a corvette down the streets of brit. :thumbup1:

    Oh Please Cal? Oh please!?
     
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    This is an interesting thread. There maybe a in game solution. Savages and ORCs can be updated with a few things as far as armor, clothing, crafted items. NPC quests to learn to make these items etc. This shouldn't stretch the UO story line much if at all. But let me remind everyone there were more than just Native Americans as far as a tribal culture.
     
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    How do you get "skyscrapers,corvets and automatic rifles" from my request of dreamcatchers and teepee walls and a couple of new headdresses? And we already run around playing ninjas,samurai and paladins...so whats the problem?
     
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    Because it has nothing to do with UO.
     
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    Yeah just like Samurai Empire and anything asian in theme.....
     
  41. Lost-Soul

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    NO....and don't we already have bow and arrows?
     
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    I do like this idea , especially for house deco and events.

    Great post ! :thumbup1:
     
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    Yes we have those and I am just asking for a very few additions here.Nothing at all that would break the game or anything that would have to be balanced at all.
     
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    They fit the theme more than dream catchers and teepees. Don't be rediculous.
     
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    Is that all you think it takes to be a native?
     
  46. BeefSupreme

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    Well then we can make GM mean something new too!

    blah. Samurai Empire was a stupid idea, but I guess they had to do it
    seeing there are so many asian players.
     
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    Are you suggesting Teepees and Dreamcatchers are?




    Lol.

    I agree.
     
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    Thats your opinion but I hold a different view on how this game could be,and my opinion is just as valid as yours.So before you start calling any ideas that are not your own "rediculous",maybe you need to try to see things through someone elses eyes.
     
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    If I saw the idea through your eyes, I would think it was a good idea. But I don't think it's a good idea, which is the reason im posting.
     
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    What if he's blind?
     
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