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PvP "balancing"

Discussion in 'UHall' started by John Shaft, Jan 22, 2009.

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  1. John Shaft

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    So the newest balancing idea has to do with potions making someone temporarily "immune" to the potion. In my opinion, potions don't need to be balanced more than greater dragons or apples. Here are a few of my opinions on balancing 'fixes'.

    1. Go ahead and make EP based on alchemy.
    2. Fix the Maul. It has the same specs as a diamond mace but is slower and less damage.
    3. Don't 'fix' things that everone does, because by definition it isn't unbalanced.
    4. Greater dragons can two or three hit kill almost anyone. This is much more imbalanced than potions or apples.
    5. Apples have made necro templates very weak in open field and have made mortal very weak also. They are far more imbalanced than potions.
     
  2. ColterDC

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    They will never get any "balance" in this game until they start dealing with all the 3rd party programs.
     
  3. TheScoundrelRico

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    For someone who is so against 3rd party programs, you certainly seem to be very knowledgable on the subject. How is that? Hmmmm?...la
     
  4. J0KING

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    Simple... detectives are very familar with crime scenes and murders... that doesn't mean that they slaughtered a bunch of people to figure it out...

    It is sad that a person can not be knowledgable about a subject without being accused...

    *tosses cracker to Rico*
     
  5. Ender

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    It IS possible to know about the 3rd party programs without USING them. I don't use any, but I know the names of some popular ones.
     
  6. TheScoundrelRico

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    It's sad that accusations need to be thrown without proof that someone is "cheating"...la
     
  7. Divster

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    You mean kinda like u just "suggestively" replied to colter?

    It is odd how some things do not crop up on the balance list, and yet others do. maybe they are stealthily making more changes to be announced , i sure hope so :(
     
  8. Lynk

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    I wonder what Rico would do with his time if he lost his stratics posting privelages.
     
  9. Ender

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    I dunno, he lost his modding privileges already. He's just a regular troll now :p
     
  10. Diomedes Artega

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    I on the other hand am not familiar with them, but I mean...IF you PvP or have frequently and you see someone do something and you have to scratch your head?! Then yeah enough said. I mean some people can do some amazing things, but I've read about people getting auto detected while stealthing and just stuff that is not possible. Especially when you know that person has a dexxer template. They could have detect hidden skill, but yeah...I doubt it.

    I for one am in agreement with other games I have played where they have software that detects 3rd party programs. I hate to be one to say this phrase, but if you have nothing to hide then there should be no objections. If you computer is deftly slow, go get another one. A good desktop is CHEAP these days.
     
  11. Diomedes Artega

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    And actually forgot to mention BUT, the spec requirements for UO are FAR below some other online games.

    Granted, there is a difference between barely functioning and operating at an optimal speed but when you have pentium requirements and 32 MB RAM memory...that's not saying much.

    Some games require Pentium IV and tons of RAM as well as a couple GHz CPU.

    Other than what I have said already, they need to do better testing/balance with weapon skills. Adjusting something after the fact does little when people like to move onto the next weapon that has not been "nerfed" and start using that one.

    After all, most any person likes 2 second kills.

    And in staying with the topic, I think the immunity thing is an awful idea.

    1. Implement software to detect illegal 3rd party programs.
    2. Ban 3rd party users of illegal programs.
    3. Better testing and capping of weapon skills. Not nerfing after the fact.
    And other points but they slipped my mind at the moment.
     
  12. Dragkiris

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    I liked Rico as a mod. He was the only one who wouldnt delete any non tram based thread. The rest of these mods hear anything that doesnt glorify tram and go crazy. And as for Rich...every post he makes is about some damn 3rd party program.
     
  13. Pfloyd

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    No regular trolls are good at it.
     
  14. Ender

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    Rich? Rich is a joke. Colter made the 3rd party program post. But it's a genuine issue, so it's okay.
     
  15. ColterDC

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    As usual, total crap spewing from your mouth. Kelmo (another Mod) never deletes non Tram threads and also is one of the most vocal Siege supporters. Get your facts straight.

    We already know your stance on cheating. Should I go find the post you made a few weeks ago where you admit to using 3rd party programs yourself?
     
  16. Dragkiris

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    You really have no idea on how to pvp DC. Greater dragons are far more detrimental to pvp than 3rd party programs. The Illiegal version of UOA does nothing in PVP that the legal version of UOA doesnt do. Pot scripts are an annoyance but if you know what your doing you as the player can be far more efficient than a potion script. Autobandage healers are an annoyance but nothing you cant do as a honest player by paying attention. Anyone who uses magery heal/cure scripts is doing nothing but hurting themselves because scripts cant time or anticipate and they also interfere with what your trying to cast. So if you die to someone using a script to use magery to heal/cure themselves you really dont need to be in fel. But you can cry this and that and the other but it all comes down to you have no talent and dont want to learn. You choose to cry about people who are better than you.
     
  17. ColterDC

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    HAHA...... the old arguement of I must just suck and no one else cheats. I've been listening to that pathetic argument for years......and it's always some cheating pile of dung who's only source of self worth is based off killing people online.

    So a program that makes you run 3 times as fast as everyone has no effect on PvP?

    The ability to instantly chug pots or start a bandage is not going to give someone an advantage?

    How about the very commonly used tree stump and field mods? Reducing lag while improving your visibility and ability to lay fields wouldn't give you an advantage either?

    Please go back to whatever bunch of losers you normally associate with, they might actually believe your crap.
     
  18. Dragkiris

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    Duel me. Ill post a video. I wont even use UOA. Place a bet from 10 mil to 300 mil. I'll take all your money. I wont use UOA you will be able to see my WHOLE DESKTOP. I'll prove that player skill matters you piece of ****.
     
  19. TheScoundrelRico

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    You mean like I did when I was perma banned for 3 years?...la
     
  20. kelmo

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    Settle down here folks...
     
  21. John Shaft

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    I hate to agree with Drag, but no really good players use scripts for healing. I have seen screenies of speedhackers though, and that does unbalance the game a bit. I laugh when I see someone going through poison fields chugging 20 cure pots because of thier script. That being said no 3rd party program completely nullifies a template the way apples nullify necro. Greater Dragons being able to destroy people effortlessly with little or not technique or good strategy on the part of the tamer is much more unbalanced than potions or 3rd party healing scripts.
     
  22. Ender

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    I'm pretty sure there's not much of a reason not to use a script that automatically applies bandages and uses potions. If you used one that casts close wounds and/or heal/greater heal, then that would be stupid.

    And I'm pretty sure you can just temporarily turn it off to run through poison fields <_<

    They're still a problem that needs to be fixed.
     
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    See ya at Brit bank on Siege cheater?
     
  24. TheScoundrelRico

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    Are you going to be bank sitting?...la
     
  25. Dragkiris

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    Ya know I decided to stop complaining about the dreadmare and greater dragons and made a pvp tamer myself. Same setup and all as my necro mage I just replace necro/ss with taming/lore. In tera keep the other night I killed 7 Pvpers with my dragon while I was just running around healing and chugging. It was stupid all i did was say all kill then target....run around healing/curing myself. It was stupid how many people I killed with the only effort of my part being keeping myself alive.
     
  26. Turdnugget

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    Were these Trammies that came over to Fel for a spawn?

    They must really suck if 7 of them all died to you.
     
  27. Dragkiris

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    Not trammies but mediocores.
     
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    No offense Colter but IMO you will never get ANY enjoyment out of this game if you obsess over cheating.

    Unfortunately, based upon your posts you(and many others)seem to have given yourselves the ability to skew every piece of information on the boards into a rant about cheating :(

    Do you really feel the need to pay $13 per month to obsess? Ouch
     
  29. slayer888

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    Just take out super dragon's firebreath damage and put a cap at 35... then all is solved la.
     
  30. Gellor

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    Colter is right on bringing up all the cheats available when one of these "balance PvP" type posts pop up every other day *smirk*

    If they can't fix the multitude of cheats out there BEYOND that script program(tree stumps, speedhacks, etc), "balancing" PvP will never happen:eek:

    If EA really wanted to fix any of these issues, they could have with minimal effort for a good portion of them.

    Graphic hacks? Check the graphics file integrity before allowing UO to be played.

    Speedhacks should be as easy as doing server side checks... assuming what the client sends is good is ********:scholar: Granted, this type of fix will add lag:sad4:
     
  31. Petra Fyde

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    I thnk this thread has deteriorated beyond useful discussion of its topic. It's done.
     
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