Over the last few weeks, there has been a thorough discussion of the PvM Necro warrior/Sampire type templates and their strengths, weaknesses and how to tweak them. However, unless I missed it, little has been offered regarding their PvP cousins. I'd like to see this topic aired. However, I'd like to place some restrictions. Firstly, Archers are both powerful and popular - and there is a long thread on archer templates already. So no more please. Secondly, Stealth templates. I have a lot of affection for Hiding/Stealth assassin type melee characters but the way they operate is fundimentally different from straightforward melee characters as the balance between offence and defence is very different. So - please confine contributions to melee dexer templates only. If you feel you have a good hybrid, that's fine. Next - some assumptions: What are the "must have" skills? I'd suggest that: Weapon 120 Bushido 120 (don't think this is in doubt - max chances for LS crit) Resist 120 Tactics 90 (giving access to all specials) are the minimum - leaving 270 points for allocation elsewhere. As a starting point, it is very tempting simply to top up Tactics to 120 and place the rest in Anatomy and Healing giving you a 6 x LGD dexer. So how does: Weapon 120 Bushido 120 Resist 120 Tactics 120 Anatomy 120 Healing 120 look to people? Solid, unimaginative, basic tank..;p Comments: Will need to rely heavily on potions and apples. A good Ecru ring would be *very* useful. No real need for FC/FCR, wants a suit with lots of hits, 150 dex and good HCI/DCI. Depending on weapon leeches, might be tight on mana so LMC useful. Travel restricted to runebooks or gates/friends might restrict soloing ability. Other possibilities: Who would consider running Vamp form for PvP? It can be difficult to tell initially what with funny coloured Elves and hooded robes... If you did, could you run it without SS and what extra spells would you use (that don't need SS to be effective) Do you want to include Chiv for RC? (and get some travel thrown in) What weapon specials would you consider desirable? Is macing the obvious weapon choice due to stamina drain or are the weapons too slow? Is poisoning on a dexer worth it with Archcure, apples, potions etc? ..and so on. Let's hear from the people actually playing PvP dexers.