I've read your guides and a few on how to 4xGM bard with a new char. However! Poo i kow you like to startup on new shards, and i was thinking of having a dabble in europa starting a new char - having read all the info on bards and not being able to make enough on my home shard (Im trying an ABC + Disco as you recomended ) I'm going to try a disco tamer bard elsewhere... How would you recomend i go about starting? i was thinking +50 tame and +50 mage as tame is a bugger, and I'll need the magery to move/survive? I'd then train up tame first to 100 keeping other skills locked where possible to max tame gain rate, and once that's done do the rest? Maybe allow 100 mage, 100 med, 100 tame for ease of living at first...? Sound sensible? How would you start or tweak it for efficiency? part two of the Q - i have a good mage, i'm thinking of making into a disco/provo mage bard. Is this a viable template for Doom?