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Question for the FoF: silver farming on ghosts.

Discussion in 'UHall' started by Traveller, Nov 28, 2008.

  1. Traveller

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    Joanne, here is a perfect question for FoF: is silver farming with ghosts in felucca an exploit, or not?

    And if it is:
    - do GM ban people for it or not? Currently, it seems not, but might be a perception issue.
    - Are there plans to fix it, or not?
     
  2. WarUltima

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    This is probably off topic but I would love DEV to respond this and when they can fix this in FoF.

    Currently Shadowlord war horses are inferior. They have 100 Less strength and 60 less HP than Minax/TB/CoM war horses. Shadowlord war horses do not have better resistance, they do not have more dex, and they dont have casting ability they have NOTHING special. Shadowlord horse is no different than any war horse in other three opposing factions BUT they do have 60hp and 100str stat penalty.

    This is obviously a bug. And it can be easily reproduced thru 100% normal game play. I am confident to say "all the current/future shadowlord war horses are bugged/will be bugged as soon as you purchase one".

    Please investigate.
     
  3. Vexxed

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    YEP... I agree..

    1) Ghost Farming should get a quick Dev Response & the GM's notified if they say it's an exploit etc..

    2) The SL WARHORSES definately are inferior and should not be.
     
  4. Lynk

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    All of the things that are wrong with this game and you seriously have to whine about your war horse having 60 hp less? Wow...
     
  5. MaryForUo

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    All of the things that are wrong with this game and you seriously think you'll receive an answer from devs?
    2XWow..
     
  6. Lord Kynd

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    if you thin you should not do it, then don't do it.
    it sounds like one of Two things your trying to do..
    either your trying to find out so you yourself can farm this way...
    or...
    you are one of them people that just can not seem to live there own lives and think they need to page on everyone that they think might be doing something wrong.

    someday i hope to see the GM's ban people for 'pointing fingers' falsly.. that would be sweet.
     
  7. Radun

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    it's more than just 'paging on someone you think is doing something wrong' like when you suspect someone of scripting begging skill gains... you're supposed to be able to kill them, get a killpoint, put them in statloss, and take their silver. that's why you can only farm silver in fel, it's supposed to come with the risks you associate with going to fel... you also have to be in a faction too, so they're circumventing all the risks associated with being in a faction. allowing ghosts to farm silver is even less risky than if you could farm silver in tram. if you're in a faction and you see an opposing faction ghost using their pet to farm silver in their ghost's backpack (potentially afk), you're the victim of a pvp exploit.
    it's also like using an exploit to dupe silver, and i'm sure the majority of players in this game would page on someone immediately without thinking twice, if they were to witness duping.

    p.s. instead of asking if it's an exploit or not (which i think is pretty obvious), the question should really be whether they have any plans to fix the exploit or not.
     
  8. T'Challa

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    Best post in this thread, bar none.
     
  9. Traveller

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    By your own admission you don't pvp and don't care about pvp. So you are just trolling. Certainly you have no clue about fel and/or factions.

    /ignore
     
  10. WarUltima

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    You have zero clue about faction PvP. If you are saying 60hp doesnt matter. Please do not harass us. We are trying to point out an obvious bug that can be easily fixed.

    Reported.
     
  11. drinkbeerallday

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    yeah, that is what I have been doing lately. easier than arguing with them.

    it's so easy too because rules A and B are so broadly defined. then you can pick through the others.
     
  12. Sweeney

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    War horses are an easy fix, as simple as a dev editing info on a mob. There are many issues with this game that should have been fixed 10 years ago, but you are obviously not concerned with a simple attempt at balance.

    Silver farming and war horses are two worthwhile issues to be addressed. No more CR crap about which way a deco item faces please.

    /bump
     
  13. ZippyTwitch

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    Well who really cares if the warhorses have 60 hp less? I mean seriously whoopy. Noone uses them to fight anyways. They are mounts.
     
  14. drinkbeerallday

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    Why is everyone so furious over this?

    The Dev's stated they will tweaking/fixing factions. Obviously it is going to take more than one Publish. Both of these bugs need to be fixed ASAP.
     
  15. Splup

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    60hp is 2 hits targeted to your mount instead of you :)
     
  16. Nystul

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    sweet.

    i shall do this tonight when i goto bed.
     
  17. Sweeney

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    I'll keep bumping this until it gets answered on a FoF.
     
  18. laurlo

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    didn't even realize you could ghost farm...
     
  19. Sweeney

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    I doubt the devs knew that either when the faction items came out.
     
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    This needs to be fixed badly
     
  21. Dragkiris

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    So if I take my tamer to the deamon room and a deamon kills him and I get mad and get off the computer for 10 or 15 mins without logging out I should get banned? If there not using any illegal program to keep them logged in I dont see how there doing anything wrong. They are not actively making anything do anything. So we should also ban all those afk banksitters?
     
  22. Sweeney

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    I don't think anyone wants them banned. We want an issue addressed.

    Allowing people to keep items gained by dead pets is ridiculous. Whoever thought of the idea of rez'ing with silver (who was a dev not thinking of future consequences) never considered this last publish. By supporting item gathering while dead (no matter if a player is afk or not) you are condoning it.. and you're probably a faction tamer.
     
  23. Anakena

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    Bank sitters do not receive a constant flow of gp in their backpack.

    There are two different issues : the fact one can receive silver as ghost and the ability to do it unattended. The first one is an exploit if you do it on purpose and the second one just falls in the unattended macroing category.
     
  24. Traveller

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    If you are not gaining any undue advantage from it, no. If you are gaining undue advantages from it, yes

    I don't understand how people can seriously argue that they don't see the distinction.
     
  25. Dragkiris

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    No, I'm not a "faction tamer". But I did put my tamer in factions for easy silver.... 50k a night or so while I watch tv.
     
  26. AesSedai

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    ...---...
    Pa-the-tic
     
  27. Traveller

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    As I thought. What shard are you in? I would like to report you, if you don't mind. Since you are so sure it is not a bannable offence you have nothing to worry, right?

    I concur.
     
  28. Cho hag

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    fix the ghost farming and I think we will see a lot less dexxers running around with faction bandies only to as farming 60k+silver a day ain't really something u want to do unless u do it as a ghost while u ain't there...
     
  29. Traveller

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    Just found another farmer in hythloth. One already reported before. And no word from devs. Depressing... Draconi, whatever you do to attract people to factions will crumble into dust if you don't bother to fix the loopholes...
     
  30. Freelsy

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    Wanna know why the devs arnt answering? Its because no one is breaking the rules. Sure its somthing that may need a fix but there are no rules that state you cannot sit somewhere in the realm of Ultima Online dead with your pet near by. These guys just happen to be doing it in a dungeon. Now you'll argue "but there gaining without risking anything". Yes, but there "legally" doing it for their own personal gain. Its not hurting you, and it shouldnt be bothering you. I dont understand why people are making this such an issue. Its not like gold farming that is driving up the cost of every item in this game. Its silver. Silver has only one purpose and that is factions. With unlimited amounts of faction items to buy, farming all this silver does not effect you at all. Besides its going to get canned here soon its just up to the Devs to create a patch. With all the complaining here on the boards im sure it will be on the next one, but who knows.
     
  31. Viper09

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    Here's an idea, submit it through UO Herald for FoF like Joanne requested for all FoF questions....

    My goodness.
     
  32. Traveller

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    I did. You see that answered?
     
  33. Traveller

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    Another one who needs to learn to read... Are you reading the messages you reply? The question in the OP "is silver farming legal?". Why devs shouldn't at least answer "yes, it's legal. We meant it that way." or "it was an oversight we are fixing. In the meantime it's legal." really beats me...

    Yes, there is. Besides the obvious fact that people in this thread have stated to have been banned for this (again, you may want to read?) and the fact that if it was not intended you are exploiting (for the illitterate, the definition of exploit: "use a bug to your advantage"), many devs in the course of time have stated that if you gain advantage without risk while not being at keyboard that's to be considered unattended macroing.

    I beg to differ. By the same line of reasoning you could argue that duping is not a problem either... As usual, many people in mmo think that if they do something in a _multiplayer_ game that does not directly kill me, that automatically does not affect me. Well, you are flatly wrong. I suggest you sometime play a game with a serious economy instead of this sorry excuse of MMO. What a silver farmer does, actually DOES affect me, in the same way as an afk gold farmer, or an afk miner, or a gold duper. The guy farming 50K silver without risk is crashing the value of silver, because it's RISK that keeps high its value. And while I don't either sell nor buy silver and I don't care about its market value, it affects the amount of people that come to fel to farm silver with regular gameplay (while in the first days I could find many poeple in farming spots hunting for silver now I only find ghosts...), defeating the rest of the work devs have done to bring people in factions. Yes, it DOES affect me, big time.

    Which again leads to the issue of reading comprehension... That was one of the questions. I just asked for answer... which is not coming. Besides even if it gets fixed fast it's probably too late. Silver farmers have probably alredy stockpiled and they stockpile silver for hundreds of consumables every night. This alone will keep factions on a low regime for at least a year. And devs should know that people who got back to give this game another chance, after years of neglect and sometime outright lies, won't be very patient with this kind of things.

    Oh well, no matter, 22 Jan is not too far off.
     
  34. Cho hag

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    still no answer from the devs regarding the sl faction horse and the ghost farming ahh well just shows that they don't care...

    on the positive side 22. jan is not to far away :)
     
  35. I understand the want for an answer from the "Dev Team", however they have not responded. It also sounds like the 2 problems are the War Horses have 60hp less, and farming silver on a ghost letting your pet do all the work.

    A. Unless you "train" your warhorse fully, then they are useless, they are just mounts, and you can rez them with 1 bandaid. Big Deal if it has 60hp less.

    B. Silver farming with a "live" pet, while you wait for a response from the "Dev Team" why don't you just kill the pet or lure the pet away. Seems like an easy fix you can do at home!
     
  36. Traveller

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    You don't pvp. I don't either (except in my special non-violent way) but I bother to learn the basics. Survivability of your mount, in a game allowing dismounts, is extremely important.

    That doesn't fix anything. That just means the scripter gains less money for that night, and he will be there again next time. I don't want to spend time to fix devs mistakes. Now, if I could kill the scripter and get his silver it would be a different thing... :)

    On a good note it seems the GMs ban people for that. Can't be sure about it, but I paged on a scripter, go to sleep, and the day afterwards I find his pet untamed in the same room and no sign of the scripter... Can't be sure of course, but always keep a GM spiritspeak available, it might be useful.
     
  37. Joanne_Mythic

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    Don't forget to send in your FoF questions through the Feedback Forum on the UOherald!

    :)
     
  38. Littleblue

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    I am wondering if we are seeing more players scripting their Animal Taming gains because of this unintended ability to farm silver like this. :(
     
  39. Your answer is ridiculous. You assume everyone that has posted about the SL Warhorse having 60hp less doesn't pvp. If you are worried about your mount dying so much I would say that you don't know how to pvp to begin with, aside from the fact that as Lynk stated there are much bigger problems in the world than you not being able to stay on your mount and keeping it alive...

    And if you read my post, I said in the "meantime" of waiting for the response from a Dev that the luring and killing of the pets would be an easy alternative while you wait...
     
  40. Traveller

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    Sorry to say, but that's so much more applicable to your rebuttal.

    You are right, that's not the only possibility. There is also the possibility that those people play in another faction and want to keep an unfair advantage. Really, there is _no_ reason in the world why one faction should be at a such an evident disadvantage; 60hp more are a couple of spells directed towards your mount instead than on you. Saying that it isn't a disadvantge is just an elaborate form of trolling.

    I did. You called it "a fix" albeit temporarily. I told you why it isn't a fix. However, there is an exception to my reasoning. What you suggest would actually be a temporary fix iff one person per shard wastes all his time patrolling farm areas "in the meanwhile". I suppose you volunteer?
     
  41. Salty Pete

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    Yeah, because it is obvious you people have no clue how to gather information from people in the game or by glancing at the hot topics of debate on the forums.

    :)
     
  42. Cho hag

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    I was under the impression that traveller had allready sent it in but if u want the question spammed to u by a multitude of ppl I can allways go ask all the sl players on eu to send in the question to u so that we are sure u guys see it...

    PS send in the 2 questions through the feedback forum. but if u need to get the question from 50+ different ppl then please tell me and I shall rally up some ppl to spam the question to you...

    thx in advance
     
  43. Traveller

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    I just sent the following question (some of them 2nd time around):

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    Factions are heavily bugged. What are dev team plans about:

    - silver farming with ghosts.
    Is it an exploit? If yes, do GM ban for it?

    - SL faction horses weaker than other horses.
    Is it intended? If not is there a fix planned?

    - kill points farming.
    Is it intended? If not is there a fix planned? Will characters with millions of killpoints be banned/deleted?

    - Trial accounts voting in faction elections.
    Are devs aware of it? Do they have plans about it?

    - Factions sigils/city ownership seem to exhibit some bugs erratically. Are devs aware of some? Which ones? Fixes planned?

    -------------------------------------

    EDIT: Just realized that the third question has already been partially answered. Oh well, the others are still valid.
     
  44. Cho hag

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    weee they fixing warhorses with publish 57...

    now just need a statement on the ghost farming...
     
  45. Black Spirit

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    If you see a ghost and he or she is farming silver with there horse, Why did'nt you kill the horse.???? easy fixed.
     
  46. Cho hag

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    please read the posts in the topic before u answer next time...

    thx
     
  47. Cho hag

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    well they fixed the war horses

    but seems they ignore the ghosts

    they should really just hand out 5m silver for all new members of faction and remove all faction obtaining of silver from monsters would mean less silver around...