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Rampant scripting

Discussion in 'UHall' started by VorteXPete, Aug 23, 2010.

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  1. VorteXPete

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    Anyone elsse notice scripting on the rise? On gl there is always someone scripting bulls,sometimes 2 ata time,scripting library rewards and so many lumber and miners in fel,the most ive ever seen.. I guess there getting all they can before the detection kicks in. And it seems all they will get is a warning.
     
  2. Taylor

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    Apply DP to kryss, apply kryss to bots.
     
  3. Travis82

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    ohh and if people do that scripters just do this.

    if C in #charstatus
    {
    event macro 15 201 ;cleanse by fire
    Target 5s
    event macro 23 0 ;target self
    wait 10
    return

    :gee: I mean all the bots I see end up curing themselves anyways.

    But I'll wait to see if the dev team does something which I bet my account nothing will change. Scripters will still script. :popcorn:
     
  4. icm420

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    This games economy is so screwed up i dont think it matters much. Imbue completely destroyed all crafting in the game, so there isn't much left for the crafters to do. Any armor you make from tailor or smith, any weapons you make, etc are all useless when you can pick and match mods. Sure you sometimes get a super nice item the old way, but how many kits, how many hammers does it take to get that item? Sure is a lot more then the little bit of gold (if any) to make an item threw imbue. Years of crafting and burning threw kits and hammers turned out to be a total waste, the best of the best that a crafter made threw the years has been made worthless. Fortifying powder was a nice way to make gold but I don't believe that to be very fun. There is little for a crafter to do these days aside from imbue, and harvesting materials for donation.

    Another reason that there are so many scripters, particuarly in fel is that almost all the pkers/pvpers have left. Why play WoW/Uo when you can play darkfall, which is what uo used to be with better graphics. There is rarely anyone in fel side that will fight and how many scripters can you kill before it gets boring. I for one had a blast pking the gold farmers, becuase they were run by people who had multiple comps/clients up and you could get them almost dead before they came back and tried to run. Then they would ask why you were killing them, etc etc. It was also funny to have a gold farmer from japan pay me a mil gold to not kill them, then turn around and kill them upon payment. EA actually "fixed" this issue by destroying bags of sending for a while and by the random overnight super buff of a dread spider. I have not since seen a gold farmer in fel.

    Until they do something about it, which i doubt they really will, i say that the above post is the best solution. Kill them repeatedly and have fun doing so. But don't complain about there being no resources or Library turn in items to purchase if and when they do address this.

    The real issue is how to fix crafting in this game.

    I swear the people who come up with ideas for this game dont even play it.
     
  5. Taylor

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    I haven't had one escape yet. Although, you might try talking with them first. A couple of the supposed bots I've killed managed to report me. >.<
     
  6. Travis82

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    Hehehe I've seen plenty run protection and just cast arch cure and recall off. Maybe some people got smart. But on topic here really unless gm's start just mass banning scripters wont stop and im afraid even if they do they just buy accounts with uo gold and rinse and repeat. Soo in short what are they going to do really they know they cant stop it. So I guess they decided if you cant beat them join them. Hence the DEVS wont do a damn thing and just make an example out of them, how make them perma stuck at a bank... :lol: rolleyes:

    I honestly don't see a solution. :sad2:
     
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    I was pretty optimistic for a little while there. I thought maybe the third party cheat detection would actually produce some results. But as far as I can see just as many people are scripting in pvp as ever, and no one that I know of has even recieved a warning, let alone any kind of effective action against their account.

    So yes, I'm discouraged. As far as I can see all that information the devs collected and sent to customer service was put on the shelf where it is now collecting dust...
     
  8. Merion

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    I didn't notice a change on my shard. On the contrary, scripting seems to be on an all time low, over here.

    For the leather scripters, there's an easy fix, that works even in trammel: get herding of the soulstone and just lead all the bulls away :)
     
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    Ward removal, parasitic poison then ai them they are then oOOooOoing
     
  10. Travis82

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    ok so they can scan the journal for "is attacking you" and instantly recall away.

    Ohh and the LJ and Miners I see are elfs and wear bloodwood armor for the hp regen... So try again AlvinHO :lol:
     
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    Your pessimism is noted, but does resonate with my experience. My PvP thief, who has 0 tactics, is able to stealth up to a bot, hit with infectious strike, and spam death strike until said bot takes a dirt nap. Works every time for me. Perhaps the scripters are smarter on your shard than on Europa.
     
  12. Travis82

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    Maybe but if they are I wish they were not :) It is annoying as all hell to be honest. I have paged and paged and paged waited many hours checked my journal to see if any responses and guess what. NOPE

    I like what was said in another post. double whopper with cheese OR GET OFF THE POT. :thumbup1:
    either start fixing the problem NOW or shut up about saying it will be fixed.

    I know that is very rude but it's to the point where I don't even want to play uo anymore because of all the bs devs say they will do and don't. Feels like I'm flushing my money down the toilet playing uo. :sad4:

    I enjoy the game but all the mass scripters around make it not so enjoyable anymore.

    I've seen people scripting mining, lumber jacking, magery right in front of luna bank lol, I've seen people scripting the bane event with sampires, crystal daemons gold farming, ice dungeon gold farming, seen people scripting swoops on tamers, I'll stop at that I'm sure you get the jist of it. :gee:
     
  13. Babble

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    Pff, communist propaganda!
    There are no scripters!
     
  14. jack flash uk

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    MY question would be this

    do you think that the script miner/lumberjackers, idoc timers, etc etc are in any way run on a persons "main" acct or accts?

    I bet NO,

    they are used with FREE acct codes, or bought up by those that get the bargin bin box sets with multiple codes in, or buy from brokers. ALL FREETIME,NO INCOME

    NO LOSS TO EA IF THEY BAN THEM

    the main accts will be safe, either the scumbags will close accts and leave for good, or fall inline till the next scam is out there



    BUT

    what also worries me are the amount of MYSTIC trainers that are tucked away in houses way away from the main drag as it were, only found by players like me on idoc runs

    now i am not going to be bold enough to accuse directly, but it seems VERY strange to me that SO MANY are doing the same thing, for long hours, casting mystic spells, and meditating over and over if you get my drift


    what ever happened to the days when players went out HUNTING and gaining skills in dungeons etc, entertaining themselves?

    Are you telling me its FUN spamming spells on yourself in a house somewhere for hours on end? am i missing something?

    whenever i highlight what i believe to be script miners on the boards, i.e small houses,again in the middle of nowhere, VERY heavy chests on steps, blackrock littered within reach of the recall points, the miner spamming recall over and over when i block their houses, i get the replies

    EC CLIENT MACROS blah blah, well i dont run EC so i have no knowledge, all i can say is that these players are creating the same *script* cough macro from somewhere as they ALL do exactly the same thing, and set up their houses in EXACTLY the same way, so they are reading instructions from somewhere

    maybe the EC client users can post a link to where the legal, for everyone to see EC MACRO pages are?



    but yes, in a long answer, YES it appears that more people are EC CLIENT MACRO/SCRIPTING!

    and some are so blatent that they do not CARE or WORRY, but then again, like i think, they are just throwaway accts



    now to add FLAMES!!!!!

    i used to buy acct codes from a broker to place and hold plots, so sell on when there was a market for plot sales, uoauction2 days! i used to hold plots to get castle sites, now there is no market for such purposes my vote is to REMOVE all FREE PLAYTIME! make them PAY!!!!!!! and say GOODBYE TO SCRIPT BOTS on FREE accts!

    EA gets NO revenue from such things, so remove, and say goodbye to scripters, thoses that are left, who script with their MAIN accts, bin them too, they are in minority, and from what i read on the boards, the steady return of fun loving players will dissolve any fear from lost revenue form this plague on our game!

    THAT is how you HIT the scripters, the scripters that mine all DAY to then sell on their own income generation websites, you can see the books littered all over luna on your shard RIGHT NOW!



    But DEV's know this, i send PM's and page on scripters, i even read the easy site to see what these players are up to, thats how i KNOW they are following instructions

    the DEV's only have to READ that same site, to get all the evidence they need


    the GM staff are hopeless at policing this game,we all know that, the script cheats certainly do

    I have friends ingame that ask me why i get so animated by all this cheating, it does not directly affect me, which is true

    BUT, if i was walking down the street and someone else was getting mugged, not affecting me, or a house on fire with people in trouble (off duty!) would i just walk on by and get on with my day?

    LIKE F*CK would i , i would do something, and i AM doing something here

    i have seen players banned because of my pages, not as many as i would like, but i have, i see players, demolish thier little houses and they pop up somewhere else, i start again, till they are gone

    i CAN do both, i enjoy the game, hunt, have fun with my Guilds, AND i report the same old crap doing the same old thing, and will continue till the day i call time on UO


    And breathe!
    lol anyone still reading my "little" statement?
     
  15. Picus at the office

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    A buddy of mine got hauled off to jail yesterday for a stearn talking to from a GM about swearing in game(rated mature I might add).

    This all happened at the gate whilst the masses were speeding around with no concerns.
     
  16. Yalp

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    Huh? My crafters have never been as busy as they are now. I can't get enough bods to get low end runics, I'm making pieces which I then imbue. I'm repairing those same pieces more often. I never could compete with the high end runic duping market, now I can. Are you playing a different game?
     
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    Huh? Do you play a crafter? I have play crafters since I started in UO and my oldest account just hit his 13th year.

    I am crafting as much now as I ever have. Well, maybe not as much when I was standing at the forge in Britain, but pretty close. I am making a lot of base pieces for people. And then imbuing them.

    On top of that, I am having MORE FUN CRAFTING than I ever have. I am jazzed up again to go out and gather resources.

    As far as the best of the best being useless, that just shows how clueless you are. The top items made from runics are better than anything you can do imbuing. Not only that, but the low end runics are better in ways than the top end for making things.
     
  19. Wenchkin

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    Well, I can't say I'm surprised - it's hardly like there's anything to fear now. Oh the devs might have some fun with you later...Yup, that's got us trembling in our thigh boots for sure!

    It would be truly refreshing if Cal posted to the effect "if you cheat we'll find and ban you. No if's, no buts and don't even start on how our subs no's would nosedive. Open season on cheating has just begun." And at least banned a few determined cheats in a first wave, just to see what happens on the cheat counter. Nobody would miss those cheats, and it would give the devs a more accurate figure of the more stubborn cheats. Then either continue banning or decide to "have fun" with bots if the cheat no's don't fall.

    The cheater numbers are going to be high for as long as said cheats feel invulnerable. Which of course makes the cheat no's high, and only fuels the fires of the "omg you can't ban en mass, nobody will be left!" collective. So yup, I expect cheats to be everywhere in UO for the forseeable future.

    By the time the ban hammer is raised I'm wondering if there'll be any attended players around to notice :D

    Wenchy
     
  20. Cetric

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    Yep


    I'm kinda sick of the talk, i mean, hell, all Cal's even hinted about is scripting, and never really even mentions speed reductions
     
  21. Myna

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    scripter accounts are paid accounts

    with a free account you canot mine colored ore or lumber colored woods, or place a house etc etc. there are to many restrictions with free accounts to be usable for a scripter

    but it isnt a big deal to make a fake account on the name/adress of your mother father uncle whoever who dont play uo ... just use their name/adress for the account and using gametime codes. one account banned, pff no problem to buy a new real game code ... what do they lose ... a few dollars compared what they win with scripting.

    and face it ... the dev wont do anything agains acripting, they didnt for 13 years, why should they do it now?
    if i would own ea i wouldnt ban people who give me money, face it. uo is dying ... yes the agony is very very slow but it dies .... you can watch luna on europa how it dies, vendors vanish, some resources are not available anymore, even there are scripters around etc etc. ... so why to ban the last players .... laughable.

    everybody who is thinking ea really would do something against scripting after 13 years, except to talk about it to satisfy the masses, is naive *no offense* .... i say it over and over ... the detection of cheaters is not rocket sience but ea wont do anything ... take it or leave it ... sad but true
     
  22. Silverbird

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    Those restrictions are for TRAIL accounts. Several ppl still might have plenty of new account codes. (I should have around 15-18 of them left from my two 7'th anniversary boxes.)
     
  23. you mean trial?

    i dunno, this is just a thought i know i havent logged in lately, but could it be maybe ea/mythic are running scripters? i mean to me that would be the logical thing to do so they can see how the scripts work. Maybe it would give them a better idea on how to fix it.
     
  24. Beer_Cayse

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    all talk + no action = zero believability
     
  25. Kellgory

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    Agreed. Until Cal does something with his little Excel spreadsheet, people are going to continue doing what they've always been doing. They might have stopped or slowed down when it was first announced, but after a couple weeks, then a month, and now a couple of months and no one has mentioned mass bannings or even mass email warnings, they just figured it was a false alarm and fired the programs back up. Even if there was a simple email sent out to those on the list informing them that their account was flagged by the 3rd party detection program and at this time they are only giving a warning until they were certain all the kinks were worked out and if they get flagged again then more sever punishment will considered, people might stop using the programs since they know they are being watched. Then there will always be those that won't stop until perma banned because they are either that lazy or their ego can't handle getting beat.
     
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    yep totally. wrap it up already Cal, enough delays and BS excuses...
     
  27. Picus at the office

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    Sadly I fail to even see how the detection could work for the pvp enviroment where some people seem to talk about. There is only four things that, I believe, could be tracked: 1 trapped boxes after a para, 2 cure after poison, 3 apples after curse and 4 auto buff. Everything else is variable to some degree and even these four a practiced person could do almost as quick and effecient.

    I could only see the detection working for very structured and repeating types of scripts. Mining I suspect would fall in this area: recall, mine, recall drop and repeat(as the difference in timing would not vary at all save for runing out of of ore but would this slight change in the normal action mess up the detection?). This I could see the systems catching but something with a slight variance I just fail to see how you can prove it.
     
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    No one knows for sure how this mystical "detection program" is gathering the data. I think when it was first mentioned, they said it worked on the server side, but since then there has been speculation that it works by checking the programs running on your machine to it gathers the info everytime your client crashes and the game automatically sends the error report. It really doesn't matter how they are getting the info...if they actually are...if their not doing anything with it.
     
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    I can see somebody has commented already

    to clarify as it gets mixed up often

    trial acct, ie free 15 trial on uo.com have restrictions

    30/45/90 day accts do not have restriction, these are what are used, the user just cancels before having to pay to pay fees, if they have like hundredsof codes they just swap about
     
  30. ChReuter

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    Now, first off I only read some of this thread, I'm being lazy. (I know, I'm probably going totally not make sense with whatever direction the thread has gone but oh well. *Places soap box at feet and steps up*)

    Anyways, my thoughts on the recently released concepts for punishment (and lord do I hope that they are only concepts and not set in stone yet) is that like so many of you, I believe the idea of not banning people outright initially is partly a bad idea. I think it should depend on the nature of the crime. For example, those doing stuff such as art mods that allow one to run over certain objects and get an advantage in pvp should not warrant a full on ban. It's wrong but I look at it as a misdemeanor and not a felony. Those people who run very in depth resource scripts should on the other hand in my opinion be banned right from the get go. Skill training scripts though? Maybe a temp ban for the first offense or whatnot.

    Basically, what I'm getting at is they need a very precise set of rules that judges and sentences each offender on the nature of their crime. Not just a quick guide on how to deal with everything, no matter how minor or major.
     
  31. Taylor

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    But whose standard shall they observe? I dare say some view so-called "art mods" as more egregious than script mining.
     
  32. Trial accounts should not be allowed to have any one skill over 50 even while wearing skill altering items. Nor should they be allowed to write books.
     
  33. Madrid

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    Give it an effin' rest already! Another thread? Can't you people (Anti-Scripters) place your posts/opinions in the 100 other existing threads on the subject and then let it lie?

    Do you have to start another thread daily on this subject that has been discussed how many times now. It's exhausting trying to constantly debate on this subject because another thread just pops up. Then the advocates of scripting get tired of posting and Stratics becomes the silent minority.

    Everyone I know uses a script of some kind to do something. The site which I'm not allowed to name has 30,000 registerd users! Hello!?

    In two days...this is thread #2! From here on out I'm going to keep a running total of the number of threads we have on this subject.

    I'm gonna start cutting and pasting my posts from previous threads so I can put my 2 cents in all these threads so both sides of it can be heard.

    You people (anti-scripters) worry far too much what other people are doing in the game rather than enjoying the game itself. Your like a little baby crying Mommy!

    I find it both sad and pathetic! Lighten up and enjoy the game for crying out loud instead of worry about what other people may or may not be doing.

    Hopefully Petra or some other mod locks this thread and throws it in the garbage can where it belongs.
     
  34. It Lives

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    This!

    Crisis control Cal, should be a breeze for you and your team by now? It will be 50/50 chance win/fail. So get on with it before my gray turns white.

    *crusty old lady voice* where's the beef?
     
  35. jack flash uk

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    After the Dev's read if first:)
     
  36. Madrid

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    Well maybe the Dev's should go visit that other site with 30,000 registered users and ask them what they think.:thumbsup:
     
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    YOU are going to? Damn, don't reckon you have a script to do that for you huh?
     
  38. Yalp

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    Another month down the drain with no forward progress... and as posted previously.. Cal's comments on the subject in his last letter were tepid at best. Doesn't bode well.

    At this point, I'd be happy if his next letter provided the links to all the cheat programs and he said.. go forth and even the playing field!
     
  39. Madrid

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    As a matter of fact I just happen to have *Garbled*...
     
  40. Masscre

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    I dont know what pretend world the majority of you live in, but I play daily and I never see a scripter and have lots of other things to do in this world rather than go around and look for a scripter, but i digress, so people do not have a RL and spend all there time in game and get really bored and decide they want to go pester a poor player that had to go to the bathroom and then later call it a script because they killed it wooot you are a big boy !! Like before there are lots of things to do in game rather than go looking for a so called scripter that really does not exist (just crazy paranoia in your head from boredom) and then harrase someone calling them a scripter which if i am not mistaken harrasement in game is a a violation of the TOS !! TADOW !!
     
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    Well ... I guess you know 'the wrong' ppl then. Not to mention that 'everyone' usually includes the poster as well. And now here we are .... 'Everybody uses scripts' is the most often misused argument from those that script. But it explains, why you always can offer bulk bod-rewards on europe (including runics up to valorite). I feel very confirmed in not selling any ingots to you (when you cry another time for shadow iron in the general chat.)

    Scripting needs to be stopped! I fear the population of the shards will drop afterwards but the remaining players would be more satisfied then any new and fancy expansion could do. (Thought probably most leaving players wont be the professional scriptors but those, that heavily rely on them. Those that only play very small parts of the game and are accustomed to buy everything that they feel, they would need it. )
     
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    Yeah. I was a SUCKER too to believe in the last 6 months of BS.

    They will do something, but it will be bs. You will most probably see 2 pink "totally unknown" people running around Luna saying they have been detected and that will be the end of it.
     
  43. AesSedai

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    - Yeah, I am interested in UO anti-cheat; but I don't want to talk about it until at least after this Town Hall on Saturday. If this is not a key-point on Saturday then I doth protest too...
     
  44. wanderer1origin

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    as it is summer and once a year we get ban of evil ones and this year only one town hall and short notice at that i predict Friday a bad day for a few peeps

    guess will be 20 real players judging from past bans

    this will be done to instill fear into rest for 2 years :)



     
  45. Travis82

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    hey can we get a public script library here too i can help fill it up :thumbup1:
     
  46. Madrid

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    Well there's up to 30,000 wrong people playing this game then and that's just one site...

    Anyone recall that poll last month "Will you quit if EA doesn't do anything about cheating!?".

    A few people cried yea I'll quit...

    "Well EA hasn't done anything for 10 years so why haven't you quit yet?"

    Scripting effects and harms no one.

    I don't care if some guy wants to tame bulls in Jhelom Pit. Let him do so and I'll go on my merry way doing the things I want to in the game.

    Live and Let Live.

    Your all way too up tight.:popcorn:
     
  47. Lord Chaos

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    Sadly several of the whiners are cheaters themselves. Several of them likely using the EC cheat, which they're counting on won't be detected at all, as the creator of that program so proudly proclaimed.
     
  48. hawkeye_pike

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    There is hope!
     
  49. Warpig Inc

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    Yup three different named miners I've seen so far. Doing the recall a few spaces along the rocks for new location. The area is in BFE and they hit the same spots crossing from one side to the other in the same order. Day after day at all hours. That makes three accounts on the same code that I've seen so far.

    I still enjoy the game. Just to bad the fun meter is on the same level as Mine Sweeper now.
     
  50. Lord Chaos

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    You are aware of that you can do this without a script easily?
     
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