.... since it is down for update this might all get changed. Red thingies: on my pally Vriak sa Hodel - 120 swords et all/ using eoo, a blaze hally, and whirl wind I am getting about 20 threads per hourish. the thread drops into my pack as it starts to make a black whirlie thingie, before it dies. Yellow thingies: on my necro Luminar (thank you friends for all the resses) 119 spirit speak; don't have to stay onscreen once talking to the ghosties, have gotton about 24 threads in hourish - some (many) from off screen. Walking ghosties: have gotton two "though threads" after about 1 1/2 hours - if they are standing still they don't do anything but complain, (kind of like UHall posteres heh heh).