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Really Devs?

Discussion in 'UHall' started by S_S, Dec 4, 2013.

  1. S_S

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    I'm a thief. I go looking for the new stealables in the new dungeon on several shards daily. Twelve...TWELVE shards right now have hidden tamers just sitting there hidden why their Greater Dragon/Cu does all the work farming minax artifacts without having to so much as say "All Kill". Is this really what this game has come to that a char can hide, not press 1 single button, not have to say 1 single command, yet reap rewards? Maybe UO just isn't for me anymore. :(
     
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    Wow, is that in the invasion part or another area of the dungeon?
     
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    I am using similar tactics with sealth/mystic mage and RC's. So the hidden tamer part isn't the issue, it's the unattended part I don't like.

    If the developers do address this, I don't want them to make hiding and stealthing impossible down there - it does serve a purpose. Just don't use a sledge-hammer to cure the disease.
     
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    It's at red mages, it's at hell hounds, it's at golden elements. And most are on the Tram side so there is no risk to them at all.
     
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    Well at least you are having to cast for an RC... these hidden tamers don't have to do jack sh*t.
     
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    Oh well. I'm going to log for now, rather sad that I'd rather go unload my dishwasher than play when I actually have some free time.
     
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    Put herding on your thieves and have some fun...
     
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    Isn't using a dishwasher a bit like unattended gameplay?
     
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    Same exact thing happened during ToT. I would be shocked if it WASN'T happening now.
     
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    Maybe if they changed to where they only drop from the the invasion monsters. Which, honestly
    I thought that was how it was. I have not received anything outside the mini towns.
     
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    If you read comments from Kyronix you will find where he talks about the lower spawn being easier for solo players, while the north end of the dungeon being designed for group play. Each area gives the Minax arties based on a points system.

    Removing Minax artifacts from the solo areas just punishes the honest players.
     
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    I think the prevailing sentiment around here is "better 1000 honest players suffer than 1 cheater be allowed to roam free."
     
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  13. Winter

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    Yeah, but then 900 of the honest players give up and quit. I'm sure there is a better compromise.
     
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    2 artys per hour x run 3 tamers x 16 hours = 100 minax artys.
    100 minax things are worth one major arty.
    major arty sells for 200 mill.
    200 mill a day for doing nothing but watching TV.

    and we wonder why this is happening?

    one the market on them drop this will stop happening.

    people use to do the same thing with silver for factions with demons in hyloth.
     
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    years ago they changed it so that you recieve LESS of a chance of getting stuff if your hidden.
    but you still get SOME.

    what they need to do is change it so you get NONE while hidden.
     
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    I could be wrong, but I think that change was just for the Virtue dungeon artifacts. Still, I use a stealth mystic/mage and should have a chance, even a reduced chance to get the arties while stealthing.
     
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    Make it so tamed pets can't auto target down there? I mean if all they do is stand there and look stupid this wouldn't be an issue.
     
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    im sitting on sonoma right now watching a guy working the mage room.
    hour so far, no one showing.

    im on my lunch break and came in to check for stealables.
    thought id watch this fella while i eat my soup.
     
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    He's been there over 3 hours now that I'm aware of. And it's his 3rd day there. I know who it is and if you use human char and track you will see who it is too.. trust me you won't be shocked.
     
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    got bored and paged.
    was a funny chat with the GM.
    he was making some good pokes at the tamer too.

    [​IMG]
     
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    i love the GM!
    he chucked us both out of the room into the hallway.

    after a minute the tamer comes on and runs back into the room.

    me "bet that woke him up"
    GM "thought it might :)"
     
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    So take your GD down there or your Warrior or what ever you want to and kill everything before his GD does. Problem solved. This has been going on in UO forever.
     
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    Certainly. I think people worry far too much about it personally, wanting game changes that seriously hamper game play for regular people to try and stop scripters.
     
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    S_S you have way too much time on your hands to try and police 12 shards and I find it rather pathetic. Surely the carpets need vacuuming,lawn needs mowing, and the car needs to get washed along with emptying the dishwater.

    There is absolutely nothing new under the sun. Why is this a surprise to people especially when this is the "grind of all time". It's fun for all of about 10 minutes.

    Why do you care what someone else is doing? It's not going to affect you on iota.

    Furthermore you don't know that a GM hasn't showed up because you won't see him and you don't know whether or not a player has responded.

    I got my character parked right now and when the GM shows up I'll be more than ready to have a conversation with him.

    If your properly equipped many of these spots you don't have to do anything but auto-defend. You don't need to run any so called programs to do anything.

    If I want to sit there hidden with my Dragon that's my prerogative.

    I paid for the account and I'll do what I please with it.
     
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    Hard? Not at all... I have ghosts I log in, check for the stealable item and log out... Takes a whopping 3-4 mins tops to check shards. Sounds to me like you are just pissy that players want this abusive, exploited little bug fixed so you can't sit there doing nothing while farming arties.
     
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    I'm just aware of the realities of Ultima Online and enjoy UO for what it is.

    If you want A GM to come and ask anyhere from 4-6 players on 15-20 Shards "Are you there?" only to have the vast majority of them say "Uhm..Yeah...why? Am I doing something wrong?" then UO is not the game for you.

    This would be a full time position and need to be done year round (around the clock). Yeah....okay...:rolleyes:

    Like I said nothing new under the sun here folks.

    Players need to focus on enjoying UO and not worry about what the "other" guys is doing.

    You guys are worried you won't be able to sell your Blackthorn Artifacts for bajillions when the whole point of the the Blackthorn Artifacts was to give players, especially new players, equal access to some items such as the Conjurer's Garb that are no longer available.

    And the reason players are down there for many hours in one spot is because it takes' forever to get a drop. And those guys on small populated shards have little choice but to farm the small mobs in order to get a crack at the Blackthorn Artifacts.

    If I wasn't on Atlantic where I was able to join large groups I never would have gotten my 1 epaulette which took over 3 weeks of playing.
     
  27. Winter

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    So, you're okay with luring dragons onto unattended pets? From your point of view, that just saves GM's the trouble.
     
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    This is a simple and elegant solution that should have no negative effect on legitimate players.
     
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    Unattended pets? How does that work?
     
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    You may not leave an active character or pet in game while unattended. If your character is performing a skill, text or action, you must be able to respond to a Game Master when one attempts to speak to you.

    This is the rule that those hidden players may or may not be breaking. It is not up to me or you to make that call, it is up to a GM. PAGE. Do not take matters into your own hands because you will be breaking more than one rule.
     
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    I'm not sure if this is a good idea - pets still should be able to defend themselves, but not attacked unless aggro'd. So maybe make it so that mobs don't aggro pets in this dungeon? Not sure. We don't want this to affect summons, like EV's and RC's that don't take commands anyway.
     
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    It always amazes me to see how everyone else is more concerned about what everyone else is doing rather than play their own game.

    Go play the game instead of trying to police it, you may find you actually enjoy playing the game more than you think!
     
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    No that is against the RoC.
     
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    So is unattended play, but VS wants us to ignore that. You can't have it both ways.
     
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    You have no clue if they are unattended or not, only a GM does. PAGE! A player is not required to respond to any player in UO. Luring a GD down to kill another players GD is in direct Violation of the Harassment Rule and telling others to do it is in Violation of the RoC. S.S. assumes that no one is there. V.S. is there and will answer any GM but he also knows the reality of UO and that this has been done from day one of UO. Yes we all know that unattended play happens and it is up to us to either page or walk away. Those are our only 2 choices.
     
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    Actually, I do have a clue if there is a tamer hiding and paying attention nearby. I did NOT say I was luring anything on players, only onto unattended pets - that does not so clearly violate the ROC. Other than that, there are several people here complaining about people paging GM's and wasting their time. Someone will complain no matter what.

    There is a 3rd choice, not just your chosen two. If I get paged on I'll not complain about whatever punishment comes my way should I choose to take the third path.
     
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    RoC https://help.ea.com/article/ultima-online-service-rules-of-conduct
    Rule #1
    WHAT IS PHYSICAL HARASSMENT? https://help.ea.com/article/what-is-physical-harassment

    You do not have to "Lure" onto a player to "grief" that player. If their sole intent in luring a GD up to what may or may not be an unattended player is to kill their "PET" then it is against the RoC and the rules of Harassment.

    Someone did this on Baja the other night and the player was paged on for it. Guess what we stopped hearing all of his gloating in Gen Chat about "Luring" a GD on to a hidden Tamers GD. Yes that Tamer was there and talking in Gen Chat and was the one to page.

    It is not a waist of time IMHO to page a GM #1 that is what part of our subs are for and #2 it is their job not ours to take care of this.
     
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    Pet timer no commands or not fed in an one hour time. Pet teleports to the stables. Sure would solve a load of other issues players are having with pets. Besides if the spawn is so weak you don't need to attend the GD then why hide. Invis and "All Kill" are the classic tamers one two punch. And if your not looting the corpses or veting, then ya your taking the easy path. Watching classic Thundercats DVD on one screen while a GD works the spawn is not attended play. If there are no wrinkles on your finger tips, and only nicotine stains. Unattended dishwashers tend to charges less reflecting the effort put in. I may not be in the biz of selling drops or mains. I just dislike others belittle the effort for pixel crack. Paragons across all lands or bring back the BLR infestation. Shadow relm world with creatures that spawn and jump about all the lands and dark places. They only can see and agro on the invised or hidden/stealthers players and mobs. And make the shadow relm creatures a new tame. There is some stealthing spawns that need a fire breath exposing. That way a tamer with the hide and stealth skills would have an excuse for the skills. Skills ment for scoundrels.
     
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    ...

    What's the average GM wait time and who has that amount of time to waste waiting for GMs to clear out other (sometimes pointless) calls before they get to yours?

    If someone is actually there but hidden, then they'll be able to take action to protect their pets and/or themselves. If not, tough... what happens is free game in my book. It's a risk on either side (luring vs unattended farming) for those willing to take it.

    I shed no tears for Bad Thingsā„¢ happening to Unattended CHaracters or Pets.
     
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    now i know what tard keeps luring stuff on my dragon while im afk,why dont you worry about yourself instead of crying like a little ..... and i only have 1 tamer and only get 1minax arti every 1-2 hours and 76 total so far since your all up my poop shoot
     
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    now i know what tard keeps luring stuff on my dragon while im afk,why dont you worry about yourself instead of crying like a little ..... and i only have 1 tamer and only get 1minax arti every 1-2 hours and 76 total so far since your all up my poop shoot
     
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    Mobs not aggressing against pets can also work, or we could have a modification of what Warpig suggested: a while after the last feeding, a pet will be "hungry" and won't auto-defend itself. Summons definitely won't need to be affected in any way, since after all they require effort to keep casting.
     
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    Well now, that's a confession if I ever heard one.
     
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    Do people actually think that the Devs or anyone else care about what people do in this game? If they did, unattended macroing, attacking, and such would not be allowed. For years this type of actions have been occurring and still nothing done about it. I honestly think that these type of issues are not important enough to make the "TO DO" list. They are more concerned about putting out new content and bringing in new players to a game that has many flaws that they have been promising for YEARS to fix. If it was that big of a deal to them it would have been fixed by now.
     
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    Having read this whole thread, I see both sides.
    Why worry about me, do your own thing, on the other hand, someone's hogging a spot for days on end.......UO is an online game we all pay for monthly. We can either interact or choose to ignore......there's common courtesy, and plain out rudeness. If one pays a monthly fee, play where you want, when you want, it's your buck. You're either going to succeed, or have a fight trying to play an area. If you don't want to listen to someone moan, set them on ignore, or whatever it is we have.

    Either way, arguing back and forth here, on Stratics, name calling, and making accusations.......I mean, come on, we're how old guys?
    Chill dudes...............
     
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    Who is paying 200 million for any 100 point arty. I think if I am simply farming gold, I can get 120K/HR farming miasma or 300K/HR farming Champion Spawns...that is like over 1000Hrs.
    Farming Red Mages, I get 2-3 Martis/Hr for a whopping 34Hrs....That is if I don't play the regular invasion, which I do, hitting about 5 Martis/Hr...Catskillls/Sampire/1125 Luck

    What the Devs have to do to stop all this is NOTHING....The worst thing they could do is lower the drop rate or eliminate items, giving them rarity.
    There is no real market for these items. No one is going to get the amount of money that makes it worth the time it takes to collect 100 points.
    There will be a few people with the gold to buy items, but that will be a significant minority.

    Right now everyone has 7 characters they need to outfit. Once they get their characters set, attendance in the dungeon will drop. It will be a while, since it will take months to achieve your goal and their are only a handful of decent spawn spots. I need personally 1000pts, a robe and a doublet for each. Once I'm done, I will be off to do something else...probably to get that elusive Jackal's Collar.

    So Devs, Great job on the Dungeon, DO NOTHING, keep everything equal to all players.
     
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    The pot calling the kettle black lol.

    A player that logs thieves on 12 different shards to steal the goodies is a real benefit to each shards community. Not!

    Those tamers are doing nothing illegal so what's the issue? Does the OP honestly think that his stealing takes some great effort or skill as compared to the tamer? Too funny
     
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    I love to play my tamer, though we don't reap a lot of the rewards. We sit back and let our dragons take all the damage while the fighters use their specials and bonus up. They have a better chance of getting the drops. Generally we don't mind, we enjoy the fight. So if I want to take my dragon and "patiently" sit and wait for drops why deny me? I must point out that I still die daily..
     
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    There's an altar there. I'd like to see it made into a champ spawn.
     
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    Actually from the observations I've seen it's mostly the funny characters that fly up when there's 1/8th of a life left yelling the same thing over and over... Nyraxle... Nyraxle.... Nyraxle.... I really think it's the only spell they know.. the poor things.

    Those are the people who seem to get most of the drops when I'm around. Funny enough, they're also the ones I have to keep resurrecting since they're the same ones who have to make sure every captain is vulnerable at the same time... and located in the same place. ;)

    -P.E.
     
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    i always thought AFK farming was illegal.. oh well... at least arti prices are dropping like lead balloons.... they will hit 1/200k a pop come the new year....so all the high level stuff will be peanuts again!!!!..... hey the same happened with the ''turn-in points''.....they nose dived after a few months to peanut prices for the top stuff.....when dupers started duping the high point pieces to gain millions/millons of points....nothing was done..nothing will be done this time.......
     
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    I feel bad for you as it seems that your UO experience is based on the ups and downs of its virtual economy :(

    Game on bro!
     
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    I see a Troll crossing.............. Many people play UO because of the Virtual economy probably for the same reason you play a crap dexxer that can't kill anyone :(

    Game on bro!