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Red Vs Blue Whats A GM To do?

Discussion in 'UHall' started by Lord Sir Scott, Sep 1, 2008.

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Red Vs Blue What one are you?

  1. Red Rules!

    51.4%
  2. Blue is Best!

    48.6%
  1. Lord Sir Scott

    Lord Sir Scott Lore Keeper
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    Does a GM Have to take into Consideration The color or evil status of a player to decide what to do with said player?

    IE: Blues are good Reds Are bad, The bad action of a red is considered ok becuse he is bad?
    But if a blue did it off to jail....


    Discuss.....
    Thank you for reading and responding to this message...
    Lord Sir Scott
     
  2. kelmo

    kelmo Old and in the way
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    Actions speak louder than color. I am not really sure I am clear as to what this poll is measuring...
     
  3. Hemisphere

    Hemisphere Always Present
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    It would be nice if GMs were able to inflict topical ingame punishments for minor infractions like posting URLs or using inappropriate language!

    Player A calls player B a c***
    Player B pages a GM
    GM autokills player A and renames his character "Fairypants"
     
  4. Lord Sir Scott

    Lord Sir Scott Lore Keeper
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    Well the poll is mesureing your preference, red or blue.
    The question is well the question....

    Should reds be punished for doing evil ingame things, after all they are evil...
     
  5. Sebrina

    Sebrina Guest

    The question is a bit vauge.

    I hope this does not turn out to be another Fel vs Tram discussion. I've never run a "Red" before but have run "Dread Lady," status. I've never had a GM called on me, nor have I called on another. If it comes to (harassment,) I know where the IGNORE macro is, and if in my house, I know where the "I ban thee" macro is.

    I know how to fend off most attacks if in Felucca, or get the hell out, so what is the real question here? Do they "Have," to consider one's reputation and karma? I would think that is one of the reasons the GMs are over-taxed with people paging them over silly little incidents that for the most part can be handled by the player.

    -No vote- on this one!

    It would probably be more accurate to ask: "Do you prefer to run a blue or a red character." I don't see how it affects a GM's decitions in any respect over particular incidents. That is a presumed bias that you have thrown in there.
     
  6. Lord Sir Scott

    Lord Sir Scott Lore Keeper
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    NO this is a red VS Blue Action By GM's Disscusion....

    Ok an example:
    I am red, i see some blues in game in felluca ok so as a murderer i decide to drag a dragon twords you and hide.. it kills you and i kill the rest of your distracted party & loot the bodys then kill the dragon, to get what ever it autolooted off you...
    You get mad and page a gm cuse i wont return your reg pack....
    the question is, what should the GM decide to do?

    to me that would be exceptable actions, What i did is evil, i am red, I enjoyed it and thats my gameplay style. Soory your blue and good and cant run or fight, you chose to stay and fight the dragon....Ect

    or think like a bunch of blues hanging out at the chaos Shrine just to grief reds... So the red pages a gm on the Blue group or player...
    allthough as far as i know thats fine lol
     
  7. Sebrina

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    Well, "leading," as you put it IS an offense, attacking is not, but I myself would not page on you. I take my chances when in Felucca, and how is the GM to know that you (dragged) that dragon there. If I get killed, well so be it, but there are alot of cry-babies out there, that I'm sure the GMs are tired of.
     
  8. Lord Sir Scott

    Lord Sir Scott Lore Keeper
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    heh see crybabies are to be considered too right? Ever been thrown into jail for sobing?

    Dont think trammel, it does not apply hehe, I thought leading in Felluca was ok...
    Shrugs...
    Goes back to lurking...
     
  9. Desperado_SE

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    It is allowed in Felucca, just not in Tramel, Malas, or Ilshenar. My take on the whole thing would be that anything within reason goes as long as your in Felucca, regardless of what color your character is. By within reason, I mean the normal things like kill stealing and res killing, stealing, and so forth.
     
  10. Budweiser

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    I know alot of Blues that need punished....blue chars do evil things too.
     
  11. D'Amavir

    D'Amavir Guest

    One ruleset to rule them all and in the darkness bind them. In other words, color should have no impact on a GM's actions. If its legal its legal. If its illegal its illegal.
     
  12. Sebrina

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    ;) -you're probably right about leading in Fel. -and as far as I'm concerned as I insinuated, when pvping, there should be "no-holds-bared!" You should be able to use everything you can to your advantage within the game limitations except for the TOS limitations of 3rd party programs and dupping of course, harrassment is borderline.

    The last thing anyone wants to hear is the cry-baby. If one goes into Felucca, they should understand the risk of PvP, Blue OR Red. I think that most GMs will say, "Well this is like real life - have a good one, bye!" - No jail or suspension, ect. "You all work this out yourself, and if you just want to walk away with your loot, that will be fine. *turning and pointing to the pager* - and you, young whiner, learn to suck it up, if you want to play on these terms." :loser: End of story."
     
  13. Bomb Bloke

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    Your red/blue status should have no bearing on how the GMs judge you. That's like saying all people who play GTA are cop killers and should be jailed; it's ridiculous. Especially when you consider that half of the blues sitting at Luna bank are there working off counts so that they won't show their true colors...

    Is luring a dragon really illegal? That's... that's pathetic. Yup, it's time to ban all people with the Herding skill, apparently.
     
  14. Gildar

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    They better not (with the exception of a Red being in a Trammel-ruleset area... you obviously wouldn't take action against a Blue for that, but would for a Red [though that action should be "*moves Red to a random Felucca town*" if there is any chance they simply became red while in Trammel]).

    Doesn't matter what color you are - if it's bad enough to be actionable by a GM, they should take action against you. If it's not bad enough to be actionable by a GM, they shouldn't take action against you.
     
  15. xStrikerx

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    Red =/= Evil
    Blue =/= Good
     
  16. drinkbeerallday

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    it's not attempting to measure anything. it is obvious he is just trying to start a big argument.
     
  17. drinkbeerallday

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    luring spawn onto people in Felucca is legal. so is res-killing and looting. these are discussions people had in like 1997 why are we doing it now?
     
  18. Ender

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    This.
     
  19. Oriana

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    I'm with you Kelmo, not sure I understand what he's looking for. I know many reds that I trust way more than some blues, and I'm not even a pvper. The actions speak for themselves the GM should be color blind as it were when taking any sort of call.

    Oriana
     
  20. Dermott of LS

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    If you're saying that a GM should look at the actions of a Red character vs a Blue character in terms of breaking the game's rules, I would have to VEHEMENTLY disagree.

    GM's should only see the names of a character in white and do their job accordingly.

    Red and Blue only differentiate in a very specific gameplay manner. It does not give one side more lax rules to play by than the other (in terms of GM actionable offenses).

    Basically I don't think this poll is owrded the way you intended it to be.
     
  21. Beefybone

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    So the OP is suggesting that the EA Terms of Service for UO, as enforced by the GMs, should vary on a per-character basis dependant upon how many murder counts they do or do not have?

    This is the worst idea I have ever read in my life.

    You can't have posted this with a straight face.
     
  22. Alvinho

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    A red can become blue by sitting at a gate for hours on end, makeing the "Red" turn into a "Blue"

    Color only means that a blue spent countless hours at a gate dead
     
  23. Radun

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    dragging/luring is legal in fel.
     
  24. There is a complete difference between role playing an evil character with an evil personality then breaking TOS .....so basically you do the crime you do the time no mater what colour you are.
     
  25. D'Amavir

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    A slight correction there. Hope ya don't mind. In game status in regards to character name color should have no bearing on the rules of the game. If its illegal, its illegal. That's pretty clear.
     
  26. Aurelius

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    You confuse 'players' with 'characters' - ain't no such thing as a red or blue player, the rules of the game should apply equally to all players.
     
  27. Black Sun

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    I'm going to put myself in the role of the GM for the situation stated above. (Let's pretend I actually show up rather than just send the usual canned response) Personally, I'd have to side with the Red player in this case. For reasons not having anything to do with color. Simply this, you are in Fel, anyone who has played this game long enough to lose their young status knows that Fel is a PvP ruleset. You go there you take a risk. Don't waste valuable GM time on your hurt feelings, They are stretched too thin as it is. Being the GM I would explain to the pager that going into Fel is risky, and if you're not prepared to defend yourself and possibly lose everything you're carrying you should stick to another facet. Then I would tell him to please not waste GM time on something like this in the future.

    And finally just before he left, I would turn all of his clothes (if he had any left) bright yellow so everyone would know what a chicken he was. :D
     
  28. The GM should rez the dragon so it could kill the person that paged again for wasting the GM's time.