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Discussion in 'UHall' started by rainbow101, Apr 10, 2011.

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  1. rainbow101

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    So.... Devs what are you going to do about it?

    So as most people have figured out there are a bunch of bugs with the recent magincia draw. Some for example are people not being able to place what they won, people winning plots that they haven't put a ticket in for and im sure there are others that I am not aware of but these are the most serious. It will be interesting to see what the devs do about it. I don't so much care about losing it happens, but if it was an unfair draw due to bugs than,it makes sense that something needs to be done about it. And I am sure some people will come along and say oh you spent a bunch of money and didnt win therefor you are whinning, I can assure you that is not the case because I didn't spend lots of money because I can always buy from another player. All im saying is that there are bugs,and there might need to be something done about it because it was an unfair drawing. Thats what people would demand if there was an unfair drawing in politics etc. Im sure you can see what I mean.
     
  2. ilot

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    No need to post 10 times the same thing.

    Is anyone surprised it turn out that way ???

    Seriously ?????

    Anyone could have seen this comming...new system, massive use of it, and as usual, not tested at all. Like any new system they have put in lately, it is bugged...so what?

    Im not surprised at all, i am sure they didnt tought about it a second, that the loto would be drawn on weekend = no support...

    There wont be any revert, there wont be any redraw.

    Accept the fact you are paying huge montly fee for a poor developed/supported game. No QA as far as we can see was done on this system.

    Remeber that they have no clue how to stop duping and other hack..or even how to track cheater in their own game...

    But as usual your thread will get lock/deleted because stratics admin don't respect freedom of speech when you talk against the game/developper/support/etc...they still make too much money out of it (read RMT)
     
  3. popps

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    Are you serious ?

    This has REALLY happened ?

    I am speechless.
     
  4. Martyna Zmuir

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    Re: So.... Devs what are you going to do about it?

    Sorry to say this, but...

    We deserved this.

    This is what we get for repeatedly accepting sub-par, bug-riddled code from the Team for over a year now. Everything major since SA has been released in an unQA'd, horribly broken state - and people have just accepted it.

    Too few hold the Team to any kind of professional standards.
     
  5. Re: So.... Devs what are you going to do about it?

    To be honest, I think someone bought tickets somewhere and forgot and ended up winning. This is the first I've heard of it and only one person has claimed that. =/
     
  6. Petra Fyde

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    Re: So.... Devs what are you going to do about it?

    The system was tested on test center and on Origin. I think it worked there?

    How much of what's being posted on here is true? How much mass hysteria over misunderstood rumour and how much sour grapes from people who gambled and lost?

    Let's calm things down please?
     
  7. Widow Maker

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    Re: So.... Devs what are you going to do about it?

    *the sky is falling* *the sky is falling* *the sky is falling*......
     
  8. Lings Bro

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    Re: So.... Devs what are you going to do about it?

    I want one of the people that won without buying a ticket to come forward..
    Only then will I check my gift collectors on other shards

    I guess I could believe soneone buying a ticket on GL and winning on Atl.--

    And Honestly, why do the Lotto of a Sunday when the Devs are trying to relax! IS someone trying to log a little OT or what?
     
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    "accepting sub-par, bug-riddled code from the Team for over a year now".......

    How do player not accept it, if I may ask ? Make a Revolution ? How ?

    For example, how could players reject these Magincia drawings if they were so faulty and bug-ridden ??

    Personally, bug ridden code or not, I just find it absurd that there is players who got multiple plots.

    Whether on the same shard or across various shards I find it most amazing, in a game that allows to own ONLY 1 HOUSE PER ACCOUNT ACROSS ALL EXISTING SHARDS, that Design allowed accounts to win many, many Magincia Plots.

    That is yet another addition in favour of the "Haves" rather than the "Haves not".

    Not a surprise, though, I have seen it many times over the years that additions to the game would end up being in favour of those who had so much wealth already and did not need them rather than those who actually needed them...........
     
  10. Black Sun

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    Re: So.... Devs what are you going to do about it?

    Warning: Do not turn this into a rant thread about EA's customer service department.
     
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    How is it absurd? If you've got enough money and know how to play the odds then you could have had a very high chance of winning most of the houses in the south of the island.

    Its luck, but when you can buy unlimited amount of tickets on the 2k plots, then you can push luck into being more favourable to you.

    Simple mathematics.
     
  12. olduofan

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    Its not what you know its who you know!!! :eyes:
     
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    The only one problem that I see in this mathematical logic here, is that those with more wealth can push up luck way more than those with less wealth........

    What does this mean ?

    That those who have more, get even further more, while those who have less (and probably need it more....) will keep lagging behind.

    It would be really interesting to see how many of those 22 Magincia plot winners on Trammel actually end up either being already Luna/Tokuno owners or are part of Guilds who have a strong foothold with vendors.

    I would not be much surprised to see again the same names whether of players or Guilds popping up at Magincia as it is for Luna or Tokuno.

    I may well be wrong, but I think that the new additions to the game should more come to the aid of those who actually need them the most, rather than those who need them the least because they are already well covered either from their accounts being well off or from being part of a well established Guild who can support them in all of their needs.
     
  14. silent

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    :violin:

    IBTL
     
  15. Lings Bro

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    New Mag House lotto thing

    I did not win so it must have been fixed. I vote for a server reset and redraw~!

    But I really love the fact that people are posting they spent Billions in gold to buy a small house deed.

    Revert the servers -- do it again until I win!!!! LOL
     
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    UHU ??

    I am not sure I understand what that exactly may mean........
     
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    Did you not see the post of the guy who spent almost 2 billion on a single plot and won nothing? I bought 250 tickets at each plot and 1 of each 10k plot and I won 2. All of these threads are people crying because they didn't win. Stop crying, if you want a mag house buy one, if your uo gaming experience is made or break based on a one time lotto system then you should reevaluate why you are playing uo. Move on people sheesh.
     
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    no revert/redraw needed my hind end.

     
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    How were the winners picked?
    First ones lucky to log on at server up had beter chance or what?

    Or was it done the night before and just waited till morning?
    Like your number was picked.....ticket holder 12345 is the winner?

    Im seeying alot of plots for sell in Magincia, i wish i won, but ill wait 3 months for the idocs or lower prices on them.

    I wanted the North plots mainly , the single ticket purchased one.
    Figured Magincia would be a nice quiet place to move to..

    Well grats to who ever won..
     
  20. retrorider

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    You have to admit that they have good reason to be ticked off.

    If we have people winning who didn't buy tickets for what they won, then it's safe to say that there are people who did purchase tickets for the bugged property who should have won and didn't.

    Not very equitable and clearly cause for upset when a raffel, lotto or other variable reward system shows that it's not working as it should.

    You can make fun of them but it doesn't change the fact they are entitled to be angry and want answers.

    FYI, I only purchased the "one per acct" tickets, so either way it doesn't bug me a bit.
     
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    One person, ONE said that they won a ticket for an area they didn't buy and everyone who is trying to push for a revert cause they lost is running with that statement. I ended up winning ALL the plots in mag on a server i dont even have a char on! ZOMG I just made a claim and it has to be true! REVERT AMIRIOGHT?!?!
     
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    shard you play?

    you bought 250 of what 1000 prolly?

    how about buying in a plot with 1,050,000 tickets were sold. and you own over 95% of them and not win?
    not once, not twice but on 3 plots.

    i can tell you 3 diff people on GL who owned 95% or better on multiple spots.

    SW 1 C 1 and SE 1

    each investing over 2 billion to get those odds and all win nothing.

    now add in...

    people winning who did not but tickets..

    people winning plots on one facet when they bought for another..

    people winning one plot they didnt purchase tickets for but win another..

    the scripters walking all in necro newbie form all named the same on trial accounts who were able to walk around and buy tickets...

    add all this up, was not done real well. how can they not revert to server up and redraw with gms or something? if you dont the scripters win again.
    This was suppose to be done so everyone could have a shot at a nice vendor city ran home unlike all the scripted house placing in luna, well it hasnt turned out this way.

    we all pay for their services, i just want what we paid for.
     
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    I bought 250 each on baja, I won the se1 spot which had 20k when it was over and the sw2 which had around 14k if I remember correctly. You dont want the "service" you pay for, you want the house plot you think you SHOULD have goten because you spent 2 billion on a plot and didn't win with 87% chance. Oh and just to rub it in cause, I also one side by side fel atl plots on the 10k tickets.
     
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    You should read more. It's more than one person.

    Let's say its only one person. That still invalidates the model.

    Don't get me wrong. There is nothing that can be done about it but it doesn't mean that it was legit and therefore people do have the right to scream about it.

    Now, if they only had the sense not to...

    :lick:
     
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    :thumbup:
    So this person might even have beginning Alzheimers or *shock* he might not be telling the truth? :eyes:
     
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    That someone might have an extreme bad luck, or someone an extreme good luck does not change the average occurrancies of a tiny bit.

    On average, those with the most wealth will still have gotten way more plots than those having the least wealth.

    Odd upper or lower straying figures do not change the bulk of the issue.

    Designing something in favour of those with the most wealth rather than those who need it the most is not something that can possibly find me in agreement simply because I do not think it is in favour of the game itself.

    The game needs more subscriptions and these can only come from new or returning players who, being starters, play at a handicap versus those who are already well off and uber developed.

    The game does not need new or returning players who pop up for a week or two and then leave for other games because they see that catching up as a daunting task.

    The game needs new or returning players who actually come and STAY with Ultima Online for an extended period, thus securing monthly charges for several months.

    But in order to obtain this, the game must be friendlier to these new or returning players than it is towards well off, uber developed existing players.

    Lastly, I do not care about a plot in Magincia. I do care, though, about seeing what the game really needs, IMHO, a Vendors' Global Search system that does away with the location of Houses and allows ALL players, regardless of where their Houses may be, to be still able to sell their wares on an EQUAL footing as compared to all of other players of the game.

    Ain't it VERY strange and odd that a game that declares scripting illegal yet does not do much to stop the very one way that brought so much wealth to Luna and Tokuno vending Houses ??

    If scripting is illegal, HOW COME there are search sites that use scripting to list the wares up for sale in only those 2 towns which can continue listing the vendors in Luna or Tokuno (and who knows, perhaps now also Magincia?) ?

    That's how I see it.
     
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    But I made the claim on stratics so it had to of happend right?
     
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    By not lavishing praise on the Team for tiny good things while major things go boom repeatedly. By not hiding our heads in the sand when things get published WAY before they're ready, instead of speaking out against it. Would you rather have things NOW, or would you rather they work as intended/designed at release? (Read the High Seas Beta board, Mythic was told over and over things were wrong/bugged and they released anyway. Some of that is EA's fault for unrealistic deadlines, the rest is entirely their fault.)

    People here seem happy to accept broken things, hoping they will get fixed somewhere down the road. Two perfect cases in point: The original release of the new T-map system and High Seas. The T-map system got fixed a month or so after publish, High Seas is still broken in many respects.

    If the New Magincia raffle is as F-ed up as people say it is, the Team needs to take responsibility, investigate, and potentially reroll for the plots.

    Eh, just like in any raffle-type drawing, people can purchase multiple tickets and have multiple chances of winning. Sure, nobody is happy when one or two people win multiple items, but thems the brakes.

    Would people be happier if the process had limited you to only winning one plot? Possibly. However, its too late for that now.

    I mentioned this when the design doc was released, so not shocked.

    Remember when they first said that New Magincia wasn't a gold sink? Billions of gold later, *ta da* suddenly it is a gold sink - apparently a damn good one. (Atl and GL total over 16.7 BILLION removed from the economy)
     
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    It will take me a good solid week or two to place on all the plots I won across the shards. I didn't win them all but I did snake in quite a few. Looks like it worked correctly to me.

    But I could be wrong..I was once before...


    But I divorced that and fixed it... :thumbsup:

    :drama:
     
  30. Forte~

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    Fix the problems for sure but on a case by case basis. People won what they won. If it was an accident then the UO market can correct that or those peoples good will. I believe some are reporting errors because they done like the results, they are pushing for a revert to get different results. A revert is not what is needed, if errors exist with a plot then a gm should place the max house size for the ticket owner.

    I won 2 tickets and traded them for a tram ticket, placed the tram house no problem, on a non winning account. Some errors happened in the drawing but can be overcome in the game by the gamers. Think of all the other "errors" that are made and overlooked.
     
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    That's called life. Get used to it.



    Seeing as this is turning into one giant *****-fest.
    *click*
     
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