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Reds should be able to start Champion Spawns on Siege Perilous

Discussion in 'UHall' started by GoodGuy, Dec 17, 2008.

  1. GoodGuy

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    This is a PROBLEM for a lot of solo red playing characters that mad they can't actively start spawns, how is a guild of reds supposed to do this?
     
  2. drinkbeerallday

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    you aren't supposed to be able to.

    give an argument that you should besides "we should be able to" otherwise no one is going to care.
     
  3. Sweeney

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    *watches another thread about Siege issues get ruined by Trammelites*
     
  4. Smokin

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    pay a blue with a scroll for starting it.
     
  5. mr.blackmage

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    I always thought it was a silly thing anyways, even for production shards. On your red and can't do it? Spend 5 minutes on your blue to work the virtue and then start it, and relog onto your red. It had a purpose at one point when there was a difference to being red or blue, but that difference is long gone.
     
  6. Pfloyd

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    Just because there is no difference to YOU doesn't mean the same thing...Blue's get the virtues...starting a spawn is based on a virtue...pretty simple.
     
  7. kelmo

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    *sighs* It is a Siege thing.
     
  8. kelmo

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    I agree with Goodguy on this issue. Color should not matter on Siege. *nods*
     
  9. Pfloyd

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    Isn't Seige supposed to be for the advanced players? Isn't it supposed to be hard? I can understand when people complain about blessed arties and things that shouldnt make it on Seige but this Blue and Red Virtue thing should be removed on Seige before people should complain about being able to start a spawn on a red.

    Don't you guys have Good and Evil system? Why? It's all about choosing sides on Seige isn't it?
     
  10. Speedy Orkit

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    PROBLEM IS:

    Only blues can start. Ok, that's fine. But what if you only get one character? It's easy for prodo players to say it doesn't need to be changed, you can have a blue PvMer, two red PvPers, a Blue Pvper, a crafter, etc. We get one character,\
     
  11. kelmo

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    *smiles* Gray, blue or orange should be the only colors on Siege.
     
  12. Pfloyd

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    Petition to instead remove the virtues then on Seige is what im saying...don't beg for something that you should work for...You are on Seige after all.
     
  13. kelmo

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    We are not asking to change a thing on your shard. Not one thing.
     
  14. JC the Builder

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    There are always at least two spawns going. At least that is how it is supposed to work. This is before they added the Valor virtue allowing you to start spawns on your own.
     
  15. Speedy Orkit

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    Ya, a spawn like Succubus or Spiders. That's fun to work on a mage.
     
  16. Sweeney

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    I hope GoodGuy sent this in using feedback. While this thread isn't as bad as the others I've seen, it's still mostly Prodos commenting on a game dynamic they don't have any experience with (ie a group of only reds).

    If they want to punish reds, bring back the bounty and head system. At least on Siege.
     
  17. Petrify

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    Yep.

    Theres one T2A one and one dungeon one that spawns at server up.
     
  18. Viper09

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    How is it so different on Siege that you believe you deserve to have the virtue ability to start a spawn on a red? There are solo red players on production shards too.
    So what's the difference between the solo red on a production shard wanting to fight a spawn than a solo red on Siege wanting to fight a spawn? (aside from the obvious insurance difference)
     
  19. Zippididooda

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    theres a difference between solo character and solo player
     
  20. Tomas_Bryce

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    The fact that there is only one character slot available on Siege (and with spawns getting useful again) works in the favor of keeping this system! Unlike prodo shards, on Siege going evil does take a price. On prodo shard it really does not matter and the argument can be made against it. Siege is the only shard where your decisions have some impact on your character. You do think twice before acting on Siege.. well, at least compared to the production shards.

    If you are going to go red and murder people then you should pay the price. And yes I do play on Siege. keke
     
  21. Petra Fyde

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    Now you know why some smooth-tongued red talked me into taking my poor helpless crafter into Despise when she got 'knight of valor' collecting bones in Ilsh!
     
  22. RichDC

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    I have just joined siege so i doubt my points are valid.

    But i dont think the reds should have virtues! how can you be a virtuous person AND a murderer?!?

    These imo are the only true UO left in the game its what i fell in love with, "the knights code" so to speak.

    I say activate the other virtues, oh and mayb stop thieves gaining in virtues as well (actually scrap that Robin Hood after all!)
     
  23. Sarphus

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    I don't see this as a siege issue. I see it as red status working as intended and annoying people who like red status not actually penalizing players.
     
  24. QueenZen

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    I really do not care one way or the other per say if one has only one chr. on only one acct. on Siege. Yall griped when the ML came out and could not get your reds into Elfyland but then unlike other shards with 2 one fel side one tram side Siege only has one Elfyworld to enter. . so I actually went along with permitting reds into the area even though elves were anti reds anti the anti virtue sorts they changed it for Siege. Primarily yall as customers PAID for the same expansion and with no trammel elfwood for folks to also enter ie only ONE fel side one that made sense sort of.

    But do not forget, despite all the DIE INSOLENT BLUES comments and attacks we as blues go thru *just for merely being blues* cuz some feel blues are *favored* by UO EA......we get killed FOR THAT ...till yall are colorblind.........TOO........hard to expect more and more favors be given to reds whom are supposed to be in theory...LAWLESS...........some game mechanics are set up to be ANTI the lawless ones as some in game form of punishment for opting to be murderers.....course there were many a red that did not kill innocents at all.......like the KNIGHTS whom were all nearly all reds they killed the *blue* of some reds.........so they became red too, yet never attacked innocent blues.

    Siege SHOULD BE COLORLESS ie hueless..............it goes BOTH WAYS ya know.......DIE INSOLENT BLUE is as silly as reds needing a blue to start a spawn or buy THEM a boat..............if ya off every blue every time.......ya run out of blues that will do for reds and visa versa. We are supposed to NEED each other there REGARDLESS of hue ...................if to some degree too many concessions ARE made for reds ....there then they won't NEED a blue to be any friends with either nor DEPEND upon...we need each other there regardless of hue so if reds get accessed everywhere............they won't need US for squat there.................kinda defeats the purpose of Siege also meaning NEEDING each other ......of all hues.
     
  25. Setnaffa

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    I'm on the wall on this issue.

    On the one hand, being red should have consequences. It has fewer now than it used to, but it still should have drawbacks for being a murderer.

    On the other hand, it's one character per account, so it's not like I can jump on my blue to start the spawn, then switch over to my red.

    I guess I have to agree that Reds need to be able to start the spawn on Siege because there's usually not a friendly blue around to start it.
     
  26. RichDC

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    I have to disagree I understand the problem.

    but then what is the point of being in a Virtue sytem?

    From what ive read (as i said in earlier post im new to siege) it seems the reason there are no friendly blues is because of the way they are treated.

    Howver, if you can find me and i have valour i may pop for you. :p
     
  27. TheScoundrelRico

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    *fixed*...la
     
  28. TheScoundrelRico

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    Have Kat start it up for you. She'll never be red. :) ...la
     
  29. Tomas_Bryce

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    That sounds like a consequence.
     
  30. TheScoundrelRico

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    If a player goes red, even on Siege, there should be repercussions to this action. I understand it's not easy, but then again, Siege isn't supposed to be easy. Reds and Blues on Siege mingle all the time. Get a blue to start the spawn if you can't do it yourself...

    ...or stop killing blue players long enough to turn blue yourself.

    'nuff said...la
     
  31. Diomedes Artega

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    Pretty much says it all right there. If you are in that dire of a need to do a spawn champ then offer up a scroll like someone said or ask one of your blue buddies. I mean...there are blues running around occasionally on Siege lol

    Lastly, nothing really virtuous about being a murderer. You chose the side so you should know that means you have to wait for someone or have a blue friend start one for you.
     
  32. Sarphus

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    Exactly. I think allowing reds to start spawns is completely out of the spirit of what being a red is supposed to be about. Being red is supposed to have disadvantages to it. Of course, there aren't really that many disadvantages to being red (especially on Siege) so we need to hold on what few disadvantages we already have.
     
  33. Dirty Mindz

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    Do you justr go around and hate on everyones threads?