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Regarding the Duped Sticky

Discussion in 'UO Rares Collector' started by Treyster18, Apr 7, 2008.

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  1. Treyster18

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    Can anyone Prove that the Fang of Ractus, Tattered Ancient Mummy Wrapings, Rotgut Wine, or Wisp Fragments have actually been duped?

    The Mumm Wraps, Frags, and Rotgut were given out in the 100's, so theres really, honestly, absolutely no way to tell if its been duped or not, thats just someone assuming....

    and the Fang of Ractus (that i have for sale) is the only one thats been for sale in the past 2-3 years (that i know of). The one i have i bought from StarlaUO and she bought it from Xel Naga bout a year or 2 ago. Now im not trying to argue whether any of these have or havent been duped, all im saying is that with the 100's of those certain items that were given out its next to impossible to say they have truely been duped, and considering the fact that this is the only fang of ractus thats been for sale in probably almost 3 years im wondering how someone could accuse it of being duped, without any proof.

    From what i understood that duped sticky was "Supposed" to contain items that were WIDELY KNOWN to be duped....and these few items that ive listed...well...arent widely known....IF they even are infact dupes....
     
  2. I dont know if Rotgut has been duped or not, but I did attend the original event and knew a few people who participated as the event management staff as Nightmare Casino employees. I was told there were a total of between 60-70 created bottles, I of which owned 2 until they got scammed years ago...
     
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    Exactly....so unless someone has checked all of those bottles then saying their duped is nothing more than an assumption

    kinda goes the same for IBD's, they've undoubtedly been duped, but thats kinda beside the fact that theres absolutely no way you can prove it heh, tons upon tons upon tons of those were given out to begin with =/

    And Gauntlets of Anger....cant say ive seen "Alot" of those either....
     
  4. its nearly impossible to account for quantizied produced EM items. I'm not going to say they haven't been duped but I mean it would be an amazing feet to prove they are. You would have to account for every existing bottle + the ones you find afterwords.

    A lot of things get sold behind the scenes so its hard to say.
     
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    Your absolutely Right, and thats the Exact point im trying to prove.

    So why exactly are those items in the "Duped Sticky" ?? =/
     
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    Take this how you will, but the gentleman who was selling the vine cord sandals on Pacific also had several bottles of rotgut wine for sale as well...
     
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    Yes, but the gentleman who was selling vine cords on pac also had several other items for sale besides the rotgut, about 4 bottles of rotgut and 2-3 ruined bookcases to be exact.....all of which came from an Idoc from what i understand? IcyRaines to be exact i think?

    Icy was no duper tho, a Fencer at best hehe
     
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    From what I understood, that person obtained those items from a packhorse's bag that dropped to the ground when it went wild. I guess if you think about it, he got them from a living IDOC [​IMG]...
     
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    well yes, they did come from a packy gone wild, but the reason they were in the packy to begin with is because there was an idoc [​IMG] hehe
     
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    packy gone wild

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    were they flashing thier naughty bits for a camera man at mardi gras too?

    Sorry, I just couldn't help but chuckle at the phrase. lol
     
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    Come come Trey, how is anyone going to PROVE anything has been duped. No one in their right mind is going to stand up and say "I did it". All I know is that 4 or 5 years ago one thing I really wanted for my collection was a two story statue. They were very difficult to come by, now it seems everyone has them and one or more comes up for sale every week it almost seems. I mean why would I want one anymore, everyone seems to have them, so they obviously came out from somewhere. But prove they were duped? I'm just glad I don't especially like alot of the EM stuff. At least alot of the OLD stuff still doesn't come up for sale as often. And as far as the packy gone wild, I used to do IDOC's everyday. Why someone would do a faller and then go off and let it go wild is beyond me. I honestly doubt it came from an idoc, maybe the guy that duped the stuff got banned and the packy just went wild from him not being around, who knows. But proving anything has been duped is doubtful, you just have to watch the numbers and then you can just assume.
     
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    To no one in particular.

    Why oh why does this just keep on going???

    I considered myself a collector of rares for a while but then i understood the sheer size of the duping issues only a couple of items have not been duped and if you have one of them "hold onto it!".

    Generally if its rare or worth something, its duped.

    I had over 100 rares at one point and to my knowledge one two had not been duped.

    Get over the duped thing!!!
     
  13. StarlaUO

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    I bought the Fang of Ractus from Xel I think 2-3 years back. I have never even heard of that item before until Xel decided to quit and wanted to sell it. Tbh, both of us believed it to be unique during the sale. Xel had used an IBD on it. And I decided to buy it because it was supposed to be unique if not, its not even attractive to me...

    Until recently I decide to sell off majority of my collection, which is quite a big collection... I find it amazing myself too when i list down the amount and worth of items I have collected over 5 years. In the package there's also vinecord sandals which I bought from Xel Naga too for 700mils worth of gold, that was purchased when this item was really RARE and now it is duped to death.... [​IMG]
     
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    Come come Trey, how is anyone going to PROVE anything has been duped. No one in their right mind is going to stand up and say "I did it". All I know is that 4 or 5 years ago one thing I really wanted for my collection was a two story statue. They were very difficult to come by, now it seems everyone has them and one or more comes up for sale every week it almost seems. I mean why would I want one anymore, everyone seems to have them, so they obviously came out from somewhere. But prove they were duped? I'm just glad I don't especially like alot of the EM stuff. At least alot of the OLD stuff still doesn't come up for sale as often. And as far as the packy gone wild, I used to do IDOC's everyday. Why someone would do a faller and then go off and let it go wild is beyond me. I honestly doubt it came from an idoc, maybe the guy that duped the stuff got banned and the packy just went wild from him not being around, who knows. But proving anything has been duped is doubtful, you just have to watch the numbers and then you can just assume.

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    Very Easy to prove something has been duped....there was only 10 Lt. Sash's, tomas personaly confirmed the existence of 12 or more proving it had been duped, alot of the other items were just 1 only any ways lol....like that fang [​IMG]
     
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    I've personally seen more than 1 Fang of Ractus so I know without a doubt that its been duped. Maybe not in significant quantities, but it has been none the less.
     
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    Your absolutely Right, and thats the Exact point im trying to prove.

    So why exactly are those items in the "Duped Sticky" ?? =/

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  17. the forums arent the only place to get rares... the items your listing are items i can get with just one icq. ive seen all of those items sold multiple times over the past few months alone, especially rotgut wine, im sure i can find ATLEAST a few people on every shard with one for sale.
     
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    I think its time that we really consider reality, the term rare implies that there is a limited quantity available, and I for one believe there is sufficient evidence of late to support the belief that duping is happening right now. This means that these items we consider to be rare while they may still have a significant value are being replicated many times over which means that they are not rare and are not of a limited quantity
     
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    Treyster if you did the search on Fang of Ractus on this forum in past 2-3 years then you undoubtedly must have seen where,

    Nails Warstein says,
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    The Ractus Fang was a unique one of a kind event item, but has since been duped, and there is no telling how many exist out there now. So even though its better than the Sharpened Stick, its probably worth about the same unfortuantely.


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    Manticore also lists it as a duped item here.

    I personally have seen more than one fang of ractus on same screen too. I must say that I am rather surprised that you are not aware of this.
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    However, do not fret people. I am going to set up a better system with the backing of (most of) the rare community that can select items that should go on the list. I do not want to be the one who decides only.

    PS can you fix the "Reguarding" typo - it is driving me crazy :p
     
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    Never said it wasnt duped bud, just saying that no one can prove it now, and even if they could its still not Widely Known about nor accepted as a dupe, its not something that sold in masses like tal'keesh shroud, so it really has no point in being on there, the whole point of your sticky was to put up dupes that are widely known about, not items that were duped but no one really knows about and arent sold very often at all.

    If your guna start putting items in that sticky that were just Duped that alot of ppl dont know about or arent sold very often then you might as well copy and paste the events thread in there because im sure more that 70-80% of that list has been duped, but we dont see nearly that many items for sale at a constant rate now do we?

    even in the past 2-3 years the very few that have actually seen more than one fang has seen about how many? 2-3 at best? sure theres only supposed to be 1 but theres nothing Widely Known about Or Widely Accepted about 2-3 extras that may or may not even exist any more, ive yet to see anyone prove that right now, yet we can prove most of the other items in the sticky. and whether someone can prove it or not is still irrelevant because its still not something thats widely known or widely accepted thus meaning it doesnt belong in your sticky

    Nor do the other items i mentioned.
     
  21. imported_tek

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    the forums arent the only place to get rares... the items your listing are items i can get with just one icq. ive seen all of those items sold multiple times over the past few months alone, especially rotgut wine, im sure i can find ATLEAST a few people on every shard with one for sale.

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    If theres one on LA I might buy it [​IMG]
     
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    Trey the item is duped, it belongs in that list. No where is it stated in the duped event rare sticky that the list is only intended to be items that are commonly seen for sale or were duped in very large numbers. It's a list to warn people of what has been duped and to enable them when consindering making a purhcase and contemplating a price.

    As I stated previously bc these items can potentially be produced at will if they are known to be duped they should not be in the rares forum whatsoever b/c they no longer exist in limited quantities and more can be created.

    I for one fully support a ban in this forum on the majority of the items listed in the duped item sticky.
     
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    Trey the item is duped, it belongs in that list. No where is it stated in the duped event rare sticky that the list is only intended to be items that are commonly seen for sale or were duped in very large numbers. It's a list to warn people of what has been duped and to enable them when consindering making a purhcase and contemplating a price.

    As I stated previously bc these items can potentially be produced at will if they are known to be duped they should not be in the rares forum whatsoever b/c they no longer exist in limited quantities and more can be created.

    I for one fully support a ban in this forum on the majority of the items listed in the duped item sticky.

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    So your trying to imply that ppl can Still dupe?.....Duping has been long fixed, so whats left in the game is all theres ever guna be, and they obviously arent going to be deleted. So since they are no longer obtainable, wouldn't you say that they are back in limited quanity, because unless you can show me a way to make these or "produce" more of these I would say that by definition they are in fact rares....


    and yes actually it does say that, it says that items widely known about and accepted by the rares community will be put there. Well, an item that only a handful of ppl truely know was duped isnt exactly widely known about or accepted at all. Neither are any of the other items i stated, im not saying this thing hasnt been duped as ive personally seen more than one my self, but No One can prove that now, and even if they could its still irrelevant because its not widely known about or accepted thats my point. The items in that list are items that are constantly being sold in mass quantities, Items that may have been duped but havent been for sale in years do not belong in that list !! because for all we know now the dupes that we seen years ago could have been lost by now, banned accounts etc, you cant prove theres more than one, and if you can, then great, but its still not being sold by every broker out there like the rest of the items in that list =/

    And furthermore you cant put a ban or boycott any rares, if you did that, then you would have to ban all server births and half the event items and seer items.....stupid and pointless.....lots of items have been duped, we all know what they are, the sticky was intended for the ones that are constantly being sold.
     
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    It actually says

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    An item belonging on this list means that it has been widely accepted by prominent members of the rare community as an item that has been duped

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    Which means that prominent individuals are aware of the issue and accept it has been duped. You accept it has been duped, as does Tomas, and myself. I'ld say that qualifies it for the list.

    As to duping being impossible currently I find that difficult to believe especially considering what I've seen and know, besides while I may not be able to prove 100% that duping is possible currently neither can you prove 100% that it is not possible, which puts us at a point where you are forced to admit that there is a possibility it is still occuring.

    Also as far as putting a ban on event rares and server births that are known to have been duped, if we don't start making an effort to prevent the sale of them then those people who duped them, are duping them, or are fencing for the dupers are continuing to profit!

    So again I say those items that are known to have been duped should be removed from this forum!

    You either support duping or you're against it....there can be no middle ground.
     
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    It says WIDELY ACCEPTED 3-10 ppl is anything but widely accepted. i dont think your reading my posts throughly, ive said that a handful of ppl that truely know the item has been duped isnt "Widely Accepted" nor should it Qualify the item to be put in that list. all of the items, except for the items ive mentioned here, are sold in mass quantities or were on Widely Known about Dupers Vendors for months on end and therefore should be in that list, I agree with that for once lol. But, Items that were not on those vendors or are not being sold in mass quantities or being sold at all for that matter, SHOULD NOT be on that list, they may have been duped but man so has everything else, you cant ban all the freggin rares in the game and im sure that probably about 80% or more of them HAVE BEEN DUPED, the ones we all know about and we all see daily should be in that list, sure, but the others shouldnt be. Items that were given out in the 100's shouldnt be either, thats just plain ignorant as you cant nor would you have ever been able to tell if those were duped or not.


    And as far as boycotting or banning items from this forum goes, thats just completely and utterly pointless, if you wana put the items in the sticky in a different forum then be my guest, but GL on getting the admins to make one. and even IF you do get em to make one ONLY the items in that list should go there. you cant ban or boycott server births at all, at all. 95% of server births have been undoubtedly duped, and on top of that, there was never a definitive number of those given out, there could have been lots taken from each shard to begin with. Everyone knows that server births have been duped, they were duped soooo many years ago, yet they have maintained the same prices and are actually going up in price now.

    Dupes may be a menace to this game and I know that none of us like em, but the fact still remains that they are in the game, we do still have to deal with them, EA has yet to even come close to attempting to fix the issue, and there very well could be a new dupe out right now thats allowing ppl to make more of these.

    But that doesnt mean that they arent rares. These are not Common items, they dont spawn, you cant personally go create your own, and not everyone can get there hands on one, and they arent cheap by any means. So again I say, By Definition these ARE in fact RARES. and even if a handful of us do start to boycott duped items, do you REALLY think thats guna make even the slightest difference? there will always be someone else to jump in and take your place.

    Again, I know none of us like dupes, but look guys, they Are here in the game and theres really nothing we can do about it at all, only EA has the power to remove the items and they're certainly not in any hurry to do so. So we really have no choice but to just Deal with it, Crying, Complaining, Griping, pancakes, Whining etc etc etc is NEVER going to accomplish anything.


    And Actually there IS a middle ground tbh, i mean i know that none of us are in favor of supporting duping by any means, We are ALL against it. But that doesnt mean we cant buy and sell em, i buy collections ALL the time and in every single one of em theres an item thats been supposedly duped, so what would you have me do? throw it away? I think not, Im sure that Gwy, Manti and Nails all have a Shroud of Tal'keesh or Oak leaf in their museums as do most of us museum owners but that doesn't by any means at all mean were trying to support duping.

    A guy comes back from a 4-5 year break from this game, has an original shroud of tal'keesh that he personally won at the event, been sittin in his bank every since he left. He's pretty excited to have what he thinks is such a rare item, and he cant wait to see the value of it. He posts it on here to get a PC, all excited like its Christmas morning or something waiting for a reply, Only to be flammed for selling a duped item and redirected to a new duping forum, Real or Fake all you guys see is something that was duped. And now this poor guy is heart broken, could careless about this game anymore as most of his items are now dupes and decides to quit again not because of duping but because of the member of the rares community who shut him out and labled him a duper or fencer just for owning what he thought to be an extremely rare item. Now sure it was dupings fault that made everyone act the way they did, but they didnt HAVE to act that way nor should they have been allowed to, ppl in this forum shouldnt beable to ridicule ppl or shut them out just for having a duped item nor should they be redirected to a new duping forum. you guys are hurting the game more than duping is just by being ***** to everyone that has them =/

    All the Talk about dupes and bashing the ppl who have them or that are selling them is discouraging to most, it makes ppl wana stop comming to this forum, it makes ppl wana quit the game, because they cant have fun any more They cant sell their items without being flamed, bashed, and shut out by everyone in the rares community. and im really starting to wonder why its allowed to go on so much, I thought that was the entire point of that sticky to begin with is to remove all the talk about dupes, any time someone had something to say about dupes or whats been duped etc etc they could just be redirected to that thread and the post removed, thus eliminating all the talk about dupes. But the sticky is there and everyone is still whining about it daily. Why is it be allowed? Tomas, you and Ryna have both said not to talk about dupes in previous threads, why isnt this being enforced?
     
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    Actually, for the third time? fouth? I don't know I've lost track it says widely accepted by prominent members of the rares community.

    here's a definition of prominent:

    Prominent: leading, important, or well-known

    Clearly this definition should indicate to you that the members of the community which are being referenced in Tomas's statement are not intended to include everyone who makes up the community but those individuals which are more active and more knowledgable about rare items, specifically those which have been affected by duping.

    As far as them being rares thats debatable bc if duping still exists than you're incorrect someone can go creat their own, and it renders these items as merely uncommon. I'm not debating their worth to someone, but I will contest you're ability to call something rare as many of these items are not any longer.

    There is no middle ground, they're dupes, and if an individual says they dont support duping then they should be willing to avoid buying them, selling them, or having any contact with them.

    Also if we remove duped items from this forum no one will have to feel bad about getting flamed for trying to sell their duped former rares.
     
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    I think this type of thread (and the sticky, of course) should not be allowed because every item that existed before 2007 is probably duped at least a bit. And that fact will always cause drama as to what forum or classification to assign it.

    I say whatever collectors are interested in buying should be allowed without any complaining.
     
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    i totally agree for once hehe.

    duping is bad and shouldnt be suported on these forums, just as 3rd party programs and private UO shards are against the rules on stratics
     
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    i totally agree for once hehe.

    duping is bad and shouldnt be suported on these forums, just as 3rd party programs and private UO shards are against the rules on stratics

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    Your right, those things arent allowed in stratics or in game, but the fact still remains that theres absolutely no way to tell the difference in whats real and whats a dupe =/

    And DVI, are you trying to say that everyone that owns a duped item is supporting duping? Raise your hand if you dont own a duped item....DVI you JUST told me that you bought a rotgut wine, and thats one of the many items on that list, so does that mean your in fact supporting duping? I wouldn't think so, your merely buying a nice item to either keep or resell for a bit of profit, thats all any of us are doing, we're just trying to play the game with cards we're delt, duped items are in the game and theres nothing we can do about it.

    and you cant really remove them from this forum because who are you to say which ones a real one and which ones a fake one?

    and yes, again, they ARE still rares whether you want to think so or not, whether there still even being made or not, they are still rares. I mean, ppl consider Vall Hammers, Blaze Cu's, etc Rare and all of that stuff still spawns and more are gotten each day. these event items and server births may have been duped but they are still hard to find at times meaning not everyone and their brothers girlfriends sister can get one, they are not common, they are, again, by definition in fact Rares....

    and Ok, Prominent members only, 3+ still isnt Widely known or accepted =/. I agree that it probably has been duped, but i cant prove it now, and it hasnt been for sale in years, it has absolutely nothing in common with anything else in that list.
     
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    i agree with you to the point of how it hard where to draw the line.

    I think the list is a pretty good start if it is beeing kept up to date.

    If anyone still buys them up its their fault and loss if they get banned for it or the item gets deleted, but the resale and making money of shouldnt be permited on these forums.
     
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    Never said it wasnt duped bud,

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    So, you are arguing about why the items that you personally believe to have been duped are on the duped items list.

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    and it hasnt been for sale in years

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    Incorrect again. It was sold for 75M gold only last year by a very knowledgeable rares dealer less than a year ago. I must say that you yet again display an uncanny habit of not providing accurate information (despite claiming that you researched on it).
     
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    I moved this from DVI's survey since he asked for no discussion there

    I must say I’m a bit confused on why you’d want to do this-

    So what you’re asking is if somebody posts a question about an item they buy/ find/ whatever and it classifies as either a possible ‘duped’ item or a server birth item there post will be removed? Even if the person who posts the thread is unaware of it being so?

    Or what if a person has a large list of items for sale/trade, where a couple of them maybe possible duped, should his whole post be removed? Or does he have to edit it? Will they be banned for trying to sell a possibly duped item, even though they may not know the item is duped?

    Should there be a new forum created for ‘non rare’ but collectable items?

    Are the items that have been duped now considered worthless and no longer rare, is that the reasoning behind this?
     
  33. I have talked to the EM from Legends and he confirmed that he made literally hundreds of the Rotgut Wine and even hinted that tucked away on his account are still hundreds of various event items from Legends. That's another factor we don't include... The Event Moderators kept quite a bit for themselves, so while they gave out "5" they may have kept "50"
     
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    I have talked to the EM from Legends and he confirmed that he made literally hundreds of the Rotgut Wine and even hinted that tucked away on his account are still hundreds of various event items from Legends. That's another factor we don't include... The Event Moderators kept quite a bit for themselves, so while they gave out "5" they may have kept "50"

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    As far as I know, EM's didn't use their personal accounts. If he transfered items to personal accounts, that was against the agreement he signed when he became EM, making that just as illegal.
     
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    I have talked to the EM from Legends and he confirmed that he made literally hundreds of the Rotgut Wine and even hinted that tucked away on his account are still hundreds of various event items from Legends. That's another factor we don't include... The Event Moderators kept quite a bit for themselves, so while they gave out "5" they may have kept "50"

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    None of the EMs I know have done that and as someone said it is against rules. Either you misunderstood his hints, or he was not the EM, or he is lying to you, or he broke rules. The credibility of your information is, however, suspect in all of those cases.

    Lets reflect on this information: Quite a few Rotgut wines were found along with dozens of vine cord sandles. They were also on sale on quite a few famous duper vendors. There are few *other* event items which were given out in large quantities but still fail to sneak into almost every bad situation that has popped up in the past year.
     
  36. Take it for what you will, but up until this point I will personally say I did not realize the Fang of Ractus was considered a unique item due to my own ignorance. Well over a year and a half ago I saw this item on Atlantic at the same time held by two different people on my screen. I had just assumed it was an EM item and several were given out.

    Just thought I'd add that to the thread as it seems pertinent to the discussion being had here.

    edit: And just fyi, if you happen to take a look at the rare's list Manticore has collected, there are still a lot of items that are unique that have probably not been duped. While the rares community has been irreversibly affected by duping, there are still a wide assortment of items out there that have been untouched. The problem is, due to all the dupers out there, the responsible owners do not want them to go to the wrong people and thus you never hear about them being traded publicly. Obviously I can not say this matter of factly, beyond reasonable doubt, but I choose to believe that the most unique items in the game are still unique. If I didn't believe that, I wouldn't be a collector.
     
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    Wow, you guys not reading my posts completely is starting to get old here lol...

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    So, you are arguing about why the items that you personally believe to have been duped are on the duped items list.

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    Yes, because no one can prove it now, and its not an item that 1.) was on dupers vendors and 2.) isnt being sold by brokers by the masses. It isnt something thats known about by alot of ppl, only a handful have seen more than one, everything else in that list is being sold as we speak for the most part (except the items i listed of course)

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    Incorrect again. It was sold for 75M gold only last year by a very knowledgeable rares dealer less than a year ago. I must say that you yet again display an uncanny habit of not providing accurate information (despite claiming that you researched on it).

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    it was sold for 75m to starla if im not mistaken, by xel, and thats the one i now own. and i forgot where exactly Xel had got it from, but the one i have is the one your talking about, the same one has been for sale a cpl times in the past few years, what i was meaning is that there hasnt been "Another" one for sale in years. my information is very accurate thank you, and i did research it, yet i never said such.
     
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    Lets reflect on this information: Quite a few Rotgut wines were found along with dozens of vine cord sandles. They were also on sale on quite a few famous duper vendors. There are few *other* event items which were given out in large quantities but still fail to sneak into almost every bad situation that has popped up in the past year.

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    All of that aside, you still cant prove or disprove whether they were or werent duped as 100's of them were given out, so untill you can go out and personaly confirm each one, i dont see why those are still on the list....
     
  39. Tomas_Bryce

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    All of that aside, you still cant prove or disprove whether they were or werent duped as 100's of them were given out, so untill you can go out and personaly confirm each one, i dont see why those are still on the list....

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    You mean confirmed like the time I saw two people with Fang of Ractus on my screen? That would be kindav hard..


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    it was sold for 75m to starla if im not mistaken, by xel, and thats the one i now own. and i forgot where exactly Xel had got it from, but the one i have is the one your talking about,

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    Incorrect again. One that starla got was much earlier sale than the one that is posted on Stratics and I also believe it was more than 75M gold because at that time Xel did not know it was duped. The sale that is recorded on the forum is when he was quitting and someone offered it to him as a trade for another item.

    [04:08] Xel Naga: it's duped
    [04:09] Xel Naga: ive had one when soc had one
    [04:10] Xel Naga: ive blessed two in my lifetime so i doubt someone unblessed one lol

    Case closed

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    It isnt something thats known about by alot of ppl, only a handful have seen more than one, everything else in that list is being sold as we speak for the most part (except the items i listed of course)

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    So you are proposing that I should add items to duped list only after a large number of people are duped into buying an item that they believe is unique but is not. Hmm, maybe we can agree on a number. 50 innocents sound good?
     
  40. Guest

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    You're wasting your breath.
    Even if you were at the event and got the item yourself you still own and display a "duped item" according to these forums. It's something we're going to have to live with if we want to participate on these forums. Fair? No, not really, out of the items I have in my house only two were not obtained by me personally at the event. One was the two story talking statue (that's on "the list") and the other is a named open book. Both obtained at idocs.
    Am I a duper? Heh.. far from it. I do own a few items on that list though. My house will never be called a "museum" because of it [​IMG]
     
  41. Guest

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    IMO that duped list is laughable.





    Add bulk gold to that list, all the gold everyone uses to buy all these 'rares', since who knows what 1mil check may or may not have been duped or created through exploits over the years and years.
     
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