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Relic Fragments Price over all shards.

Discussion in 'UHall' started by kaldera4, Aug 26, 2009.

  1. kaldera4

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    What do you think will be the average Price for Relic Fragments (lets say after 2 weeks SA) ? I would Think it will be around 29k in the shops. what do you think and why?
    perhaps interesting too is: what will be the price for mining gems?
    and are there other ressources affected?
    i would be interested in several opinions.
     
  2. 250k

    Whats the point of selling them at 29k off the bat?

    Now the items that can be turned into relics are going to be hoarded up.

    Supply issues to started when beta opened.

    Now once enough people GM imbuing... collect relic items, get item id gm'd, tag all items the give you relic, enchanted, residue, prices will settle.

    Say 3 months, youll see prices falling down.

    The thing that will drive the price down is - i believe you dont lose the relics in failure...

    75k in 3 months.

    SO MY ADVICE for merchants sell everything early and fast and buy back later.
     
  3. Petra Fyde

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    I don't think it will be possible to say until the design of the system is finalised, they're still considering changing some of the ingredients I believe.
     
  4. kaldera4

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    i thought that way because most of the minors like Blaze of Death give relic fragemnts. and that kid of minors is normaly found at 5-30k.
    and what do you think about gems?
    another point (that should count for a higher price) is i thought on fail i can loose relics?!
     
  5. This is my understanding as well.
     
  6. Pfloyd

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    Mine too.
     
  7. kaldera4

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    @Connor & @ pfloyd
    so what do you both think the price will be settled? you think its more close to 29k or more close to 250k?
    and am i right that relics can be lost on fail?
    and to all: what will be the gems prices?

    are there other ressources that will change price with sa? i really ask myself, why the hell since 2 weeks in our guildshop colored ingots are completley sold out 3 times a day. (thats about 500k ingots each color inbetween 2 weeks!) i would have suggested that colored ingots dont become more usefull because color-crafted stuff is not imbuable or unravelable. but why do they sell 10 times more often even after raising price? is there something i forgot?
     
  8. Maplestone

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    Are people going to burn up the available supply of items that can be melted down into relic fragments driving up prices or are people going to learn how to farm relic fragments efficiently driving down prices?

    Will lower-end players imbue for themselves or will they find it more lucrative to sell relic fragments up the chain?
     
  9. Maplestone

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    powder of fortification?

    (presumably there will be a spike in usage a first as people burn a couple of jars per piece they wish to imbue, even if eventually less ends up getting used in the long run)
     
  10. Fogsbane

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    My guess was one million to start for Relics.
    (? 95.1 skill to unravel would keep the prices inflated for a few months ?)

    I'm not sure what - when you say - "in the shops" is intended to mean.
    I did not see, nor take time to look to be honest, them for sale anywhere on Retribution.

    By next spring I would expect the prices to begin to stabilize, and probably remain at least in the 100k area.
     
  11. kaldera4

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    right. i think pof will raise in price too. we normaly sell at 35k but i think after sa it will be 45k?
     
  12. Tay M'real

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    you can't use PoF on imbued items so why would price spike? if anything - it will lower
     
  13. I didnt do any extensive testing.
    I thought the gems get burned on failure. The ones you by from NPC's.

    Someone will let us know.


    The thing with the Relic is...
    They are new. They will be held for a while.
    So it will look like they are scarce.

    Soon everyone will have information on what makes a relic.

    So the bottom line is the prices will be chaotic for the first weeks.

    The other thing is... how much imbuing needs to be done before everyone has a set of perfect jewelry and a perfect weapon? That will reduce the market for relic fragments.


    And then how long do they take to break. That will effect pricing too.
     
  14. kaldera4

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    no! it ill raise because you can pof BEFORE imbuing. and you will have to ;)
    what do the others think will be the future pof price?
    and i heared nothing on mining gems till now
     
  15. Maplestone

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    Because you want to raise durability to 255 on armor/weapons before you start imbuing?

    (even though in the long run less will be needed, there might be initial spike of usage as people try out making their dream item? Then again, it might just disappear into the background demand ... I don't have a good sense of this, but I'll be curious to see how it unfolds)

    *steps aside to let more skilled merchants than I speculate*
     
  16. Yep. They will be burnt.
    Then we will adapt and the farming will begin.

    but in the end it will give arties majors and minor a purpose and remove a bunch of clutter from the game.

    Thats a good a thing.

    Unravel.

    Now do fragments stack?
     
  17. Maplestone

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    Yes.
     
  18. Brynthe

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    Because PoF can be used on the item before it is imbued, which people will be doing to every imbued item they intend to keep or sell, since they won't be able to do it later on down the line.

    As for the original thread topic, I think it will be some time before we even see many fragments for sale at all. Most people will be hoarding what they have for their own personal use during training of the skill or for use in imbuing their own items, once they've finished training. So its hard to guess what the average price may be, given that they'll be in pretty high demand.
     
  19. Tay M'real

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    REALLY? But i thought that when you unravel - you're essentially taking essence from the item and destroying it....that whatever is crafted using those ingredients still have only a 'standard' of durability??

    I am finding alot of information that doesn't make sense on imbuing - I am so intrigued by it but missed out on open beta while i was on vacation :(
     
  20. Alezi

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    My guess is that relic frags will be ~100k each and will drop in time to 50-60k each. If they're 100k to begin with I think I'm gonna make a few million by unraveling some BRSK made items ;).
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  21. Brynthe

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    To try and ease some of the confusion, you will use PoF on the item you intend to imbue with special properties, NOT the item you are unraveling.

    So if I want a sword with some extra SSI, HCI, etc., I will use PoF to get an exceptionally crafted sword up to 255/255, then I will imbue that sword using the fragments, etc. that I got from unraveling OTHER items.

    Imbuing is seperate from the crafting process. An artificer (person who imbues) will imbue an item AFTER it has been crafted by a blacksmith (or you could by a weapon from a vendor, but won't be able to get as many properties on it.)
     
  22. Lord Kotan

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    sorry for the question.. but do you need mysticism with imbuing to be effective?
     
  23. Petra Fyde

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    No. Imbuing supports Mysticism, but mysticism has no effect on imbuing success.

    A bit like you can have spirit speak by itself, but it supports necromancy. Not quite an exact comparison, but similar enough.
     
  24. Maplestone

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    No, imbuing is a stand-alone skill (disclaimer: last-minute changes are always possible).

    However there are a couple of mysticism spells (stone form, rising colossus) that do require imbuing to be full-powered so it's a natural combination to build.

    Doh! Petra beat me to it
     
  25. guum

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    If this is the Price Is Right, I'm gonna go with the guy who said a million at first. Sure, we've all got a few dozen ML minors, but if the formula doesn't change by release, we'll need (on average) about 60 relic fragments just for that fifth mod just for one piece of gear. That means to do a whole set of gear, uhh...a lot. More than the vast majority of us have. Plus any required for training, accounting for failures on the fourth mod, etc. Demand's going to exceed supply by a substantial margin for at least the first 3 or 4 months. Some people will stock relics for only 100-200k at the very start, but once they realize that they are selling out almost instantenously, even they will start stocking them at the going price.

    Also, I wasn't getting relics from barbed kit-made stuff at all on Retribution -- I unraveled about 50-60 items and they were all essences. Were others having more luck? Just based on those tests, I didn't get a very warm & fuzzy feeling about barbed kits as a good source for relics.
     
  26. Silverbird

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    No one can say for shure, how prices will go. Players are too crasy when it comes up to use/buy something new.
    Some already made mistakes/asked questions in this thread:

    - you can loose relics on imbuing (actually you are loosing relics/essences/residues und the normal gems on a fail)
    - clever ppl will start off from a runic made item which already has 1-2 properties, that would require relics
    - clever ppl imbue properties, that require relics first and reducing teh risk of loosing some on imbuing attempts
    - minor artys/artys/other items giving most of the time more than 1 relic/essence/residue on unravelling
    - i was getting about 2-3 relics from weapons made with a bronze runic hammer (35 charges, in the beta)
    - you can start unravelling for them at 95.1 but ppl actually will starting risky imbues after they have passed 100/120
    - 'every' imbue will need 50 relics for the 120 powerscroll (Assuming 1 mill per relics seems way too crasy for me. That would equal the 120 ps to about 50 millions and most martys to 2-3 mill. Cannot believe that.)
     
  27. Maplestone

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    Um ... that's not quite true :)
     
  28. Saris

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    your right, only items I made with val hammers became fragments, It is posible for a barbed kit to get one by my math, but not good odds.
     
  29. kaldera4

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    why would you need 50 relics for the scroll? does the quest demand 50 relics? i not made the quest on beta. so i dont know

    why noone gve a opinion on the prices of mininggems? would be interested in that too.
     
  30. guum

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    I'm curious about this one. Bronze runics can only give 3 mods, each up to 100% -- total 300%, max. You need 400% for a relic fragment. You get a free 100% from the 40% DI at 100 armslore, but that means that your other 3 mods have to max out. The chances of that happening should be very, very low - something like 1 in 1000 bronze hammer swings would give a relic-producing item.

    Am I missing something?
     
  31. ACB1961

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    That's a very interesting point. IF you can use pof on an item before you try to imbue it. Are you sure it will work like that?
     
  32. Well merchants
    You got info.

    What I do think is minor arties for the slam.
    Runics for the base building.

    And the rest of the info is out there.

    I guess my buying of the Yew fletches wont pay off with relics. Maybe they will be good for building a basic weapon to imbue. So much to learn.
     
  33. Maplestone

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    ML craftables have extra free properties (as does exceptional samurai armor). Special material gives a bonus when unraveling.

    However, in the last publish of the open beta, the DI bonus for exceptional weapons did not count as a property for purposes of unraveling (but still did for imbuing).

    Standard disclaimer: everything is subject to change - we can expect the devs are still taking the data from the open beta and doing another pass
     
  34. Saris

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    kinda wish I knew that TOT lessers will turn relics about 4 weeks ago
     
  35. Beastmaster

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    All the initial sales of relics will be to hoarders. They have no use until you reach 90 or 95 skill, forget the exact number, except for turning in for powerscrolls. That is what will make the prices crazy fo rprobably up to a month. As more people get trained up high enough to use them, then you may see more stable prices.
     
  36. Tina Small

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    Are there 105, 110 and 115 Imbuing powerscrolls? If yes and they come from quests, can you repeat the quests and then bind them together with the new scroll binders to get your 120 Imbuing powerscroll?

    (Sorry for the dumb questions. I haven't experimented much with Imbuing yet.)
     
  37. It will be fun finding out which ore or wood provides a property that counts then matching it to a runic.

    Im sure something will slip by.
    Then there will be a patch.

    And like I said 3 months of chaos pricing.
     
  38. Myna

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    nice collection but i think you cant unravel barbed (special material) stuff
     
  39. Maplestone

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    Yes, yes and yes. The quest givers are the three gargoyles surrounding the soulforge in the Royal City (one asks for residue, one asks for essence, one asks for relic fragments). Rewards for these quests include both powerscrolls and (more rarely) stonecrafting runics.
     
  40. bumblefutz

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    A few months after release there will be hundreds of thousands of relic fragments duped and salted away on holding accounts. They will sell for whatever dupers decide will bring them the best return. Just like everything else in this game's economy. Just like when all those val hammers appeared and suddenly val-crafted sammy plate became the big thing.
     
  41. Sweeney

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    Not on Siege. ;)
     
  42. guum

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    Even after all the duping, Val Hammers go for 20mil on my shard. And the difference here is that normal players can acquire a decent number of relic fragments...a "normal" player might never see a val hammer (especially before the recent changes), so the dupers could completely corner the market.

    I do want to revise my estimate downward a bit, though. After reading this thread, I spent a couple of hours hunting around my shard for bargain-bin ML marties, and I found about 50 of them for under 25k. I still think Relics will be pricey at first, but I'm going to go with somewhere between 300-500k. Within a month or so, they'll be down to probably about 250k, and I'd guess that they'll eventually settle at around 100k each (after all, imbued items break).
     
  43. Silverbird

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    40% DI from beeing exceptional only counts as 80% intensity, but you can/were able to get some other bonus along. (Using special material, beeing a gargoyle at 120 skill)
     
  44. Ender

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    You lose the number of relic fragments/enchanted essences/magical residues and minor gems displayed in the imbuing menu whether you succeed or fail.
     
  45. kaldera4

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    if i remember right- on beta you only lost a portion of the relics. not all of them on fail.
     
  46. Brynthe

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    It worked that way on test, during open beta, only time will tell about the finished product though.

    Mining gems will likely be a different story as people likely have been hoarding those for much longer, and they also already have a base price on each shard (for the most part).

    But still, all bets are off, until people are done training imbuing, I don't think its likely we'll see many of these items up for sale in the near future, and once they start becoming available, it will be a seller's market as everyone will want them for their own imbued equipment, or so they can train imbuing themselves.
     
  47. Lord Frodo

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    You are correct. You can not unravil those. Only stuff made of Wood/Leather/iron.
     
  48. Lord Frodo

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    All the high-end monsters/named monsters/doom/spawns will be farmed for the loot and then the pieces will be unraviled. You will not burn a Val hammer just for the chance that you might get 15 relics. At 250K a Relic thats 3.75M for 15. Not worth it.
     
  49. Tay M'real

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    cool man - thanks for the info...this helped alot...i wonder if this was the intent...sounds like something they missed during the design process becuase they talked so much about imbuing having the downside of lack of durability - LOL - guess this will come in a patch shortly after release
     
  50. Lord Frodo

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    Will not effect PoF because the first time I impued anything it jumped to 255/255. I got lucky or this is intented becaused you can not Pof anything after imbuing.