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Remove the Dismount change

Discussion in 'UHall' started by Promathia, Jul 18, 2014.

  1. Promathia

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    There is practically no reason to ever dismount someone with a thrower or archer anymore. People can remount or animal form SO FAST now.

    I am not sure why this was even a thing. Did you seriously read that one thread by a superfast Tamer who complains about dismounting for no reason? When Dismount is the only way to ever kill them because they run away so fast?
     
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    no - do NOT remove it
     
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    maybe change from 4 secs to 6? their had to he a happy medium
     
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  6. Aran

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    Get rid of dismount, nobody should be able to knock someone off their mount.
     
  7. darkvulf

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    Change it to 5 seconds
     
  8. Podolak

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    Archer's dismount special should be left alone, period. For those of us who for some "unknown" reason have trouble keeping up with others even though we have a good connection, it allows us to be somewhat relevant.

    **Shoot now that I think about it I haven't been relevant since...ever. Damn!
     
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  9. MalagAste

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    If you leave dismount then nerf disarm.

    Dismount is the only decent skill given an archer since all others are nerfed to oblivion... as well Remember we archers can't disarm, bleed or anything else. So leave our dismount alone or give us something else that others have that we don't. Bleed, deadly poison, disarm, etc...
     
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  10. Podolak

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    We can mortal! Not like there isn't 30 billion ways to counter it...oh wait...
     
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  11. MalagAste

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    Everyone can mortal.
     
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  12. Podolak

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    OK...we have moving shot?
     
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  13. Smoot

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    you gotta get your 300 skill points somehow. i suppose if you have stealth / ninjitsu there is little room for other skills. 300 skill points is alot to fill up tho. thats why many go swords / archery / poison. My newest archer is bushido / archery / swords. Necro also goes well with archery, or spellweaving.

    I agree that disarm needs a nerf, however archery as a whole is a very powerful skill with decent room for supporting damage skills.
     
  14. Quickblade

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    I think 7 seconds should be the timer not 4 seconds
     
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    I assuming this timer was mostly implemented to discourage dismount ganks.

    The 10 second timer was definitely not oped for one on one

    Perhaps have 4 second timer if archer is stealthed, 10 second timer if not stealthed.
    that way 1 on 1 dismount archers could still have the 10 seconds to get in a kill, however a victim could at least have time to realize a gank was coming on and he was vulnerable to a 10 second dismount otherwise.
    time required to be revealed could be 2 seconds.
     
  16. Promathia

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    Dismount has been fine for years. There is NOTHING WRONG WITH DISMOUNT.

    Now, if you want to make changes to Bolas, go ahead. Make it so they can be parried or something, but changing dismount is plain silly.
     
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    I am surprised it took 3 hours for a "remove the change" post to appear. Good luck.
     
  18. Smoot

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    of all the things to change, why dismount? if your going to start somewhere dismount isnt exactly the place to do it. No one likes a dismount archer, but thats just the way it is.

    If something is to be "fixed" i would place a timer on disarm of 30 seconds (like evasion) and fix bolas.
     
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    Why dismount?
    Because they were doing what everyone complains they don't do. Listening to the players.
    http://stratics.com/community/threads/its-about-time-something-was-done-about-dismount.317779/

    Damned if they do and damned if they don't aren't they? I know how they feel.
     
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  20. Promathia

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    They listened...to like one player. They also avoided the major discussion in that thread, the overpowered Bolas, and how Bolas are the problem, not an archers dismount.
     
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    best change ever
    dismount sux
     
  22. Poo

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    not everyone that is playing this game is pinging 20.
    not everyone who pvp's is rolling around in a guild with 14 guys in all tricked out suits.
    the only people this change helps are the people who dont need help in game already, the fast moving crowd.
    ive always used dismount as a equalizer, guys moving to fast, knock him down and level the playing field.
    now that option is gone and as such so is my only real option for pvp due to my location/connection.

    so all this change is doing is pushing people/me out of pvp.
    couple more changes like this and all we will hear in general chat is people complaining that no one will pvp with them.... oh wait, that may already be happening.
     
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    there is nothing wrong with ranged dmount. if anything just nerf the bola only. dumb idea
     
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    Yep, to make it clear, I ping 10. I also dont player an archer. Surviving is so much easier for me now since I could already outrun almost anyone. Now they cant even dismount me long enough.
     
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    This is a good suggestion..... if you have stealthing then it's 4 if not 10. Seems fair to me.
     
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    so they listened to 1 person and took there advice? who was it Llewen?
     
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    Imo the current dismount system was ok. i feel like being able to ninja away 4 seconds after dismount is kinda silly and people will never die..tho alot of people thought people would never get away with the change to ninja that made it 0 fc and u can fizzle it which turned out to be ok, I do think that the timer to remount a horse after range dismount should be lowered but keep the timer to ninja at 10sec if at all possible , This would allow a lot of out plays and would not cause pretty much instant death from a gank if you dont have ninja and with it lowered it could still be countered from poisons (darts) para and mortals to the horse..Also the fact that melee dismounts would be better is cool imo. As for people saying bola is op and is dumb that it takes 0 skill while archer d mount requires skill points is silly. archer d mount = instant / not disarmed... bola = timer / u stay disarmed / easy countered by dismounting your self.
     
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    Can anyone honestly say they ENJOY getting dismount ganked? The move was too powerful bc it's effect is HUGE.... 1/2 movement speed when the game is all about movement is crazy.... I think eliminating the pop out of no where dismonts effectiveness isn't a bad thing. I also think that melee can use this as a nice perk. Personally for me this will increase the likely hood of fighting a zerg who will only dismount gank. I always found it unbelievably lame when I was fighting say 4 on 1 yet the 4 people would only camp around a hidden dismounter and never even engage in a fight unless they pulled off the dismount... great change.
     
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  29. Jerec KTM

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    Ban ethereal mounts in Fel or deal with it. The game has more important things to work on.
     
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    A dismount from a hidden Archer/Thrower should be 4 seconds. Dismount from a "shown' character 6 seconds.
     
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    Ya know, unless they bola you or the stealther stealths up and dismounts you.

    Nothing changes except archers/throwers getting screwed.
     
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    Truth.

    Not sure why it was ever changed in the first place?
     
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    Changing bolas would be fine, but IMO that isn't really overpowered either.

    The other idea that was good is having a different remount timer for mounts vs form. Agreed that mounts could be quicker, but Ninja form after 4 secs is just stupid.
     
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    Devs. Stop listening to part time and noob pvpers when making changes. Come to fel and ask the people that are killing everyone. We'll give you our honest opinion. Seriously, the changes you make are horrible for pvp usually. Get some real input before you alienate the population that could grow the game... Don't believe me? Look at how outrageously popular Dota 2 is... it's 5 on 5 UO basically. 10 million dollar prize pool all paid for by the people who play the game. The reason you don't have some of those people in UO? Pvp changes alienated them. If you want to make it fun again, listen to real pvpers in fel, the others in tram... Why not use targeted polls? Don't you keep kill/death ratios in a database? Poll the top 10 percent of UO killers in game with one of those horrible menus you use like vendor search. ;) Thanks.
     
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    Couldn't agree more.
     
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    Why would bolas need to be changed...? Also disarm is fine. The thing that needs to be changed is mortal, that is what is a little OP
     
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    Disarm is the one that needs to be addressed if you ask me. At the moment as a mage you cannot play a char with a mage weapon. Almost all dexxers are going to try to disarm first since they expect it from everyone. Where I play it's all dexxers and disarm archers. Parry becomes the way to go on my server, but the problem I have is not adapating, it's the lack of template diversity. I like when you can go into a fight and have 12 different kinds of templates to fight, not the same 3 or 4. I like when you can pick any guy to pvp with and have a decent chance at winning.

    As for dismount, does that even matter with splinter weapon? Splinter is going to become standard procedure, I can see the llama forming away being annoying but if they can't run what does it matter?

    I'm curious what the problem with bolas is? Is it because you can teleport while throwing one? Why should you be able to parry a bola? I like that it allows anyone the OPTION to dismount. It does 1 dmg and removes all items from your hands. I don't see how this is unfair..it's actually more like a wrestling special since without a weapon in your hand how are you defending yourself from being hit?

    I also really like balinor's idea, put a poll up and let the killers choose.
     
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    just make everyone fight dismounted..... problem solved.
     
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    disarm is not fine. and i play a disarm archer. spam disarm is pointless. disarm. run. disarm run. with a spam disarmerer this is a "fight". timer should be a 1 min cooldown so that disarm is used sparingly and becomes a tactic, not a spam.
     
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    because if i were a knight on the battlefield, if i saw a bola flying at me i would attempt to block it. if its argued that a dismount attack by nature is on the horse, then archery / melee dismount should not be able to parried either.
     
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    I think we listed every single way to prevent yourself getting dismounted and how to survive didsmounted. I survive 9 out of 10 times when I get dismounted and I don't even run ninjitsu. This change was ********. Bane is never going to die now. Really what this did was screwed archers over, made ninja a must, and took away the point of the better pvpers being able to survive or block dismounts. People just need to get good. IT's not a hard game to get good . This change is not needed at all. Also the Antique mod is BS. You're defacing the value on shame loot. There is no need for shame loot with the Antique mod counting as a negative. It's total BS. The only thing that will be worth anything will be Mesanna named EM event items and that is even more BS. All the hours I spent farming in shame is now worthless with all the arties I have because now people can get antique ones easily and my arties diminish in values. I can't stand this at all.
     
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    I haven't tested the Antique mod, but unless it loses a durability every time you get hit, it's OP. I Don't think it's like that. You can repair it? and Powder it 3 times to different durability. I've never had an imbued suit that needed replaced cause of the loss durability and you can't even imbue that ONCE. WHY IS THERE ANTIQUE??!?!?!!?!??!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!!??!!??!?!?!?!?!?!!?!?!?
     
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    No.

    The dismount change is a great addition to the game.

    Dismount as it is right now is abused and too much of a gank death sentence.
    The gate always has a couple of gimpy hidden dismount archers that do nothing but pop out every 10 minutes or so to dismount and help gank.

    And the argument that the change now ruins archers is a joke. Ninjas not quickly getting into animal form only came about with last years animal form nerf.
    For many, many years before that ninjas were able to get into form and archers still were able to play and use dismount all the time. Saying they cant use it now is a lie and a joke.

    It's funny though because if you listen to all the supposed elite pvpers on these boards, dismount is no problem at all in the field so why should they care in the first place?

    Nobody except the speedhackers running disarm archers should have any issue at all with the change.
     
  44. Smoot

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    im assuming antique can only be repaired 3 times. ill have to test if you can pof it back up. if you can pof it then yeah its OPed. it was to replace cannot be repaired tho so makes it a little more usuable, but i think its still not very desireable if your playing a character more than an hour a week. I read this as pof or repair, as current antique in the game cant be pofed.

    the mods seem pretty good to me. the high insurance one is bascially clean, but the high weight one, only 1 or 2 pieces in a suit could really have that mod for it to be able to be used.
     
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    Antique – Increased durability loss, can be powdered 3 times. Each powder will reduce max durability to 250, 200, and 150 respectively. Can be repaired.

    Ok...
    I just thought about the above statement.... When they say "powdered 3 times" Do they mean 3 Whole 10 use powders applied to the item...? or do they mean you can only apply 3 charges of ONE powder to the item.. aka increase the max durability by +30 since each "USE" in that sense is +10 max durability.



    The way I'd interpret Antique is that if the item spawned with 255 durability then you would use it until it's max durability was at 240 a which point you'd apply the 1st charge of powder to it bumping it back up to 250 Max Durability (Also Max durability for having 1 powder charge applied). Then you work the max back down from 250 all the way down to 190 Max durability & apply powder charge #2 bumping the Max up to 200 (which is the max durability after 2 powders). Then work it down from 200 to 140 and apply 3rd powder charge.. All assuming that by

    "powdered 3 times" means 3 charges of powder and NOT 3 whole 10 use powders applied...

    After that it just comes down to what Increased durabilty loss amounts too...
     
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    Can be Repaired I was expecting this to be a typo, because if it can be repaired.... wtf would be the point in EVER using PoF on it, you lose -50 max durability instead of -1 from failing to repair.
     
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    If your at say 240 / 255 Max Durability and you repair the item there is a significant chance that the max durability will drop to 254.... So ultimately since you can only apply 3 charges of PoF (Most likely) the item WILL DIE... I know I have a PvM luck suit for my Sampire that's imbued and been legitimately worked down to 215 ish Max durability over probably 3 months of heavy use... It really just depends on how much faster Antique stuff breaks down. If it's like a Factor of 10... Well that would mean for myself at least that I wouldn't use such a piece on anything that takes heavy durabilty loss.. I'd still probabbly use them for PvP but then again that can cause more durability loss than PvM in some cases...
     
  48. Smoot

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    it doesnt make sense that its 3 charges. becuase you would be losing 50 dura to gain only 10 each charge.

    Im assuming it means power to max durability 3 times.
     
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    Well.. like I explained above... if you can only use 3 charges then you simply have to wait until it's WORTH it to use each charge.... So if each time you use powder on the Antique item the Max Durability CAP is decreased by 50 then you simply wait between using each of your 3 charges for the appropriate durability.

    1) At 240 Durability use 1st powder increasing current Durability to 250 while at the same time lowering your CAPPED max durability to 250.
    2) At 190 Current Max Durability use your 2nd powder.. Increasing Current Max durability to 200 and lowering your CAPPED max durability to 200.
    3) At 140 Current Max Durability.... etc...

    A Wee bit confusing maybe.. but just means that it forces you to tend your item over time with powder to get the most use out of it... That's actually not too different then how it's always been prior to imbuing.. hehe... now with imbuing everyone powders up then imbues.. and the piece is good for life except for repairs..

    IT really comes down to what increased Durability loss amounts to. and that's only useful if they give it in terms of what current durability loss is..... 3x as much or 10 or 20x as much etc.