1. This site uses cookies. By continuing to use this site, you are agreeing to our use of cookies. Learn More.
  2. Greetings Guest!!

    In order to combat SPAM on the forums, all users are required to have a minimum of 2 posts before they can submit links in any post or thread.

    Dismiss Notice

Renowned Hijackers

Discussion in 'UHall' started by Xalan Dementia, Apr 25, 2010.

  1. Xalan Dementia

    Xalan Dementia Slightly Crazed
    Stratics Veteran

    Joined:
    Jul 1, 2008
    Messages:
    1,355
    Likes Received:
    81
    so last few nites ive been fighting renowneds and have had some other person just walk up and jump in on the renowned fight. Now I wouldnt mind if I was asked but since I wasnt asked and he didnt kill any of the spawn before hand, I found it to be quite rude. Now again tonite another unknown by me character keeps running in on the renowneds I summon. Now since its not fel whats the rules? I dont think its fair that I do all the work just to have some one run in to hijack my artie chance.
     
  2. MalagAste

    MalagAste Belaern d'Zhaunil
    Reporter Professional Stratics Veteran Stratics Legend Campaign Supporter Royal Knight

    Joined:
    Aug 21, 2000
    Messages:
    18,972
    Likes Received:
    5,458
    Nope.... not fair... but..... get used to it.... because that's the way it will always be.

    You see.... some folk are rude, insensitive, selfish pigs...

    Unfortunately you will find that many of those folk play UO.

    And even if it were Fel.... there isn't a single thing you can do about it...

    Because those pigs will always have more greedy, rude and insensitive friends than you will have.

    As I have found in my many years of playing the number of kind decent folk is on the decline... and the number of pigs is holding steady...

    Have a nice day.
     
  3. Viper09

    Viper09 Grand Poobah
    Stratics Veteran

    Joined:
    May 16, 2008
    Messages:
    6,680
    Likes Received:
    824
    The rules? It's legal. Perfectly legal. Just not nice.
     
  4. Xalan Dementia

    Xalan Dementia Slightly Crazed
    Stratics Veteran

    Joined:
    Jul 1, 2008
    Messages:
    1,355
    Likes Received:
    81
    *sigh* yea guess so, wonder if they could make it so the renowned only drops artie to someone who helped kill spawn, but thatd mess up left over renowneds i guess.
     
  5. five oclock

    five oclock Guest

    Sounds like champs to me...do the champ..get almost to the end..a bigger guild comes in..kills ya and takes the champ...

    Its UO. :D
     
  6. Viper09

    Viper09 Grand Poobah
    Stratics Veteran

    Joined:
    May 16, 2008
    Messages:
    6,680
    Likes Received:
    824
    Hehe so true. In Fel you have at least a fighting chance and in some instances is much more fun then just watching someone steal it from you :p
     
  7. WarUltima

    WarUltima Babbling Loonie
    Stratics Veteran

    Joined:
    Mar 3, 2004
    Messages:
    2,385
    Likes Received:
    0
    No its different from champs.

    You worked it to the end and got OVERPOWERED by other bigger guild, you lost, thats your inability to keep your spawn. Yes they might have zergged you up badly but at least if you (or your guild) is good enough you can stop them from taking it.

    And it's funny you used the word "bigger guild" and I can tell you at least on my shard we beat out bigger guild with less numbers all the time and either way win or lose you have a fighting chance.

    You choose to play in tram, where the whole idea of it is based on everything is nice and pink people all love each other and are all willing to shard their piece of pie and that's exactly what you get... grifers in godmode.
     
  8. Aran

    Aran INFRACTION INFRACTION INFRACTION!
    Stratics Veteran Stratics Legend -A-

    Joined:
    Apr 1, 2000
    Messages:
    14,717
    Likes Received:
    1,021
    I love jumping in on spawn.
     
  9. popps

    popps Always Present
    Stratics Veteran Stratics Legend

    Joined:
    Feb 27, 2004
    Messages:
    13,445
    Likes Received:
    461


    That is actually what I think is the problem, that game design allows for it to happen....

    Personally, I do not think that players should be allowed to play in a way that may disrupt other players' gameplay or, make their time spent in the game upsetting or annoying.

    Game design should prevent that, IMHO.
    Just change the spawn so that working up the spawn assigns points to the character(s) working up the spawn.
    Eventually, when the renowned spawns, the artifact chance drop is assigned to those who have the most points for having worked up the spawn from start.
    All others who stepped in the spawn later on, will get no chance at a drop.
    Problem solved........

    I do not know others, but personally, I play games for entertainment and relax, not to get frustrated or stressed out. I have plenty of stress and headaches from my real life and I do not need to pay for a game to get more.............
     
  10. Vaelix

    Vaelix Guest

    Siege Perilous..


    If you don't like what they are doing, you slaughter them.

    Playing a 100% Fel Rule-set server makes my mind boggle when I read posts like these.
     
  11. Gheed

    Gheed Certifiable
    Stratics Veteran Stratics Legend

    Joined:
    Sep 24, 2003
    Messages:
    1,911
    Likes Received:
    173
    Oh her's a good one for you... a few weeks ago two friends and I are fighting slasher (first time for me). So I am dual boxing a melee and mystic bard. My other friends are both bush/pally melee. We are going along quite well. A few deaths and a few retreats. We get it about half dead and a stealther pops out of hiding and starts casting ev's.

    Ok so this is a public place... pretty rude but bound to happen so I guess it's anybody's loot. Slasher dies and we all run up and start looting. The stealther didn't ask... didn't say one word after the kill.

    My friends are into imbuing so they take all the loot they can and head back to store/unravel. I didn't see what happened to the stealther. the open area we lured slasher to (I think) was on the path to an artifact spawn so my guess was he was looking for arties and stumbled upon a nice half dead slasher bonus. He probably moved on.

    My friends want to do another slasher. They are still not there but I pull another slasher back to the area we killed the 1st. I wanted to see how long I could dual box it. It was pretty intense but I was staying alive. Well I guess the stealther decided to stick around. Cause the slasher revealed him and promptly ate him. I would be lying if I didn't think "well pal I guess that's kharma biting you in the a$$".

    A few minutes later the stealther comes back from afk. A ghost pops up and runs around shouting "ooOOoOoOoo" for a few minutes.

    I am in a good rhythm fighting this thing. My mystic bard had it discorded. I was jousting it w/the melee and keeping rc summoned while spamming healing winds with the mystic. It was a real click/macro mashing fest and just didn't feel like running both chars off to res a guy who didn't have much more to offer to the fight then claiming part of the loot (ev's last about 2 seconds on slasher)... heck he could have at least been pleasant and maybe I would have felt some sort of obligation to help.

    Now comes the jaw dropper. The ghost stands there for a bit and disappears... help/stuck I'm guessing. My friends get there and soon after the stealther pops out of stealth alive and healthy. I see some text but it disappears when he hides again. I saw "page" and "GM" in the flash. I am busy fighting this thing so I don't bother with the journal. I'm on speaker w/my friends. They ask me if that guy just said he was paging? I told them that I didn't know... just keep fighting and we'll sort it out if a GM shows up. Every once in a while the stealher would say something and immediately hide. So I have no idea what he was trying to say.

    The stealther drops a few more evs and recalls out. Good! No.. a few minutes later he comes back with his mystic, summons rc and stats casting. Oh Brother I guess we made him angry.... whatever.... We were done after this one anyway. The things dies and we start gathering the loot. Just as we finish he is luring another slasher to us. We recall out just as he is invising. No use even trying to sort out that mess.

    I was really just kind of floored by that attitude. I see it in pieces from others... myself included. But never as severe as: Help yourself to the fight (loot), don't ask, don't say anything, do very little to actually kill it, get yourself killed, expect me to res you after being such a jerk (9 times out of 10 I would have anyway), page on me when I don't res you then have the nerve to lure on me after.

    I think that we just didn't understand each other. Maybe I missed something he said in the beginning, one thing led to another and things just went completely the wrong way. Oh well, I don't have these run-ins too often after many years of play.
     
  12. five oclock

    five oclock Guest

    Very well said. :D
     
  13. Harlequin

    Harlequin Babbling Loonie
    Stratics Veteran

    Joined:
    Jun 11, 2008
    Messages:
    2,716
    Likes Received:
    32
    From the post title, I thought it was about the new customizable character title. Was thinking what skill would give the "Hijacker" title.

    To the OP, there are the 2 peerless-type renowns that require keys to get in if you prefer less interference.
     
  14. jack flash uk

    jack flash uk Crazed Zealot
    Stratics Veteran Stratics Legend

    Joined:
    Oct 21, 2006
    Messages:
    3,260
    Likes Received:
    76
    I think it sucks too

    i ask everytime in renowned is being fought, i mostly get a help yourself",which is nice, and i have had one of two, "no help needed" messages, so i bid them good luck and move on

    not that i get many arti drops from renowneds! but i have a personal rule, if one drops under these circumstances, i will offer it to the other fighter, as it was due to thier hard work than the renowned was there in the first place

    so quite simply, i add to the arti drop chance for the other player:)

    and it add more clout to the good name of the europa guild for which i am a part of
     
  15. Petra Fyde

    Petra Fyde Peerless Chatterbox
    Stratics Veteran Alumni Stratics Legend

    Joined:
    Jan 5, 2001
    Messages:
    30,889
    Likes Received:
    5,175
    I'm with Jack. Some people appreciate help clearing the renowned. I do myself if it's the renowned pixie. But I never join in without asking and if they don't want my help I move on.
     
  16. Kellgory

    Kellgory Certifiable
    Stratics Veteran

    Joined:
    May 14, 2008
    Messages:
    1,639
    Likes Received:
    1
    Funny how UO works, before the renowns dropped anything people were complaining about others working the spawn and then leaving the renowns, now its the other way around. My rule of thumb is if you run across someone and the renown is up, then help the person fighting by keeping them cured and healed, and if your a discorder then discord it for them, but let them finish it off unless they ask for help. After the renown is down then ask if they wouldn't mind sharing the spawn.
     
  17. Flutter

    Flutter Always Present
    Stratics Veteran Alumni Stratics Legend

    Joined:
    May 12, 2004
    Messages:
    21,553
    Likes Received:
    3,840
    Isn't it kinda dumb nowadays to just run past a renowned without attacking it?
     
  18. Smoot

    Smoot Grand Poobah
    Stratics Veteran

    Joined:
    Nov 17, 2009
    Messages:
    6,761
    Likes Received:
    3,549
    Unless its a person / guild i know and respect, hell yeah i would attack any renowned. UO actually encouraged this by lowering the required damage to get looting rights. Its great to see an almost dead renowned, whack it a few times, then get half the looting rights. Really cant complain about this because its how UO has made the game. Only thing you could do is play on siege, and kill the guy stealing your kill, if you value your spawn territory more than your blue status.
     
  19. Fat Midnight

    Fat Midnight Visitor

    Joined:
    Nov 25, 2009
    Messages:
    413
    Likes Received:
    2


    What shard do you play on? I frequently run through and see Renowneds with no spawn and no one else in the area, In that case il take the kill. I have only been asked to help once. Im sure it would take a hell of a long time for a lone mage to kill Vitavi with EVs so I was happy to help with my ABC.
     
  20. CroakerTnT

    CroakerTnT Guest

    Move to Siege where you can do something about it.
     
  21. jaraxlebaenrae

    jaraxlebaenrae Journeyman
    Stratics Veteran

    Joined:
    Jul 2, 2008
    Messages:
    151
    Likes Received:
    7
    QQ........Most of the time I welcome the help if someone runs up and starts hitting it....less time to kill it that way....otherwise what gives you the right to tie up a spawn by yourself for 10 minutes or so?
     
  22. Perhaps because there are 3 spawns available, so you can really only tie up one spawn at a time.

    The only time it bothers me is when the other person doesn't even have the courtesy to say, "Hello," let alone ask to join in. I don't "own" a spawn, but that doesn't excuse common courtesy either.
     
  23. jaraxlebaenrae

    jaraxlebaenrae Journeyman
    Stratics Veteran

    Joined:
    Jul 2, 2008
    Messages:
    151
    Likes Received:
    7
    lol get over it......oh and QQ.....
     
  24. omgmir

    omgmir Guest

    While the delivery is off a bit, I do agree with the sentiment.

    If you want to do something about it, play Siege. Otherwise everything is fair game.
     
  25. Warpig Inc

    Warpig Inc Babbling Loonie
    Stratics Veteran

    Joined:
    Jul 2, 2008
    Messages:
    2,416
    Likes Received:
    397
    I have found the arty laying about after someone did a spawn and handed it to them. They didn't even know about the random spawn drop BS and their stupid meter pegged out as mine does about it.

    Keep harping on the SP is good and great. One character per account with no discount if you play only SP will always lose.

    And some players have suspender back straps always clipped on their undies. Parked my frenzy and discorded the monster and helped vet their dragon. They still complained.

    Some known players or guilds get my full on "who's the better killer" playstyle. A pack always gets rights after an "all kill"
     
  26. Nails

    Nails Journeyman
    Stratics Veteran Stratics Legend

    Joined:
    Apr 15, 2004
    Messages:
    257
    Likes Received:
    0
    Your in tram where spawn and champ jumping doesn't matter.
     
  27. Stupid Miner

    Stupid Miner Guest

    It's not fair, and I don't like this either. But... that they would compromise their integrity on something so worthless and meaningless? It's pitiable and revolting.

    Still, feel for you, I get people who do this a lot too.

    Kinda funny how so many people in this thread just don't get it. Funny, in a morbid way.
     
  28. Nimuaq

    Nimuaq Lore Master
    Stratics Veteran

    Joined:
    Jan 25, 2010
    Messages:
    1,017
    Likes Received:
    280
    This was not an issue before the publish 65 when the loot of the renowneds were pretty weak, getting an artifact from a renowned was very uncommon and most of the artifacts were gargoyles only. So, killing a renowned was just to get a re-spawn and people didnt kill them, just kill the lesser creatures, get the essences and shift to another mini-champ.
     
  29. The sad part is, it's a 2 sided coin. One side being, you did all the work and, seemingly, deserve the right to the rare reward.

    On the flip side, everyone pays the same subscription and has the right to kill what they want, when they want......as someone said, your integrity, and reputation is at stake, whether you care or not. Saddly, alot don't care.

    I blame the devs, current and past, for overlooking Ultimas core roots, virtue. I may be wrong, but I believe all the Virtue tasks, to date, are still not fixed. Yet, look at how fast they are willing to dish out eye candy to the players......especially at an Em event.

    I've lived without alot, for the longest time, and will always show common courtesy, that's who I am as a person in real life, and in game.
     
  30. twoburntfouryou

    twoburntfouryou Journeyman
    Stratics Veteran

    Joined:
    May 29, 2008
    Messages:
    276
    Likes Received:
    11
    As said by a few others above before the arties were dropping off the renowneds most wanted others to help. Now people are complaining??? Those rats take forever and I make more gold off the spawn than the crappy artie I might get from the renowned rat.Go do a Medusa or something then you can control who you may want to help you.
     
  31. omgmir

    omgmir Guest

    Wait.. what..?
     
  32. Vaelix

    Vaelix Guest

    The mindset that "We're all friends and should hold hands" is exactly what introduced Trammel and turned UO into Hello Kitty Online.

    Siege Perilous.

    :thumbup1:
     
  33. Obsidian

    Obsidian UO Forum Moderator
    Moderator Professional Premium Wiki Moderator Stratics Veteran Campaign Supporter

    Joined:
    May 21, 2008
    Messages:
    3,143
    Likes Received:
    780
    I think that all of the SA bosses (peerless, mini-bosses, and renowns) should base drops on a Doom-like point system. Then there would be rhyme and reason when you got an artie. All arties should fall into you pack (or have a corpse only you can open). Then we aren't really competing against each other for drops. It is simply and individual battle against the RNG for the number of points you get toward your quota. Once you reach the number of points needed, the system awards you a random SA artie. If you put in the time, you will get something.

    -OBSIDIAN-
     
  34. Thunderz

    Thunderz Certifiable
    Stratics Veteran

    Joined:
    Jun 3, 2008
    Messages:
    1,729
    Likes Received:
    64
    Best way to counter this and **** them off even more is first make sure you have max honour. Make sure you can hide/invis/pot invis or what ever way. Kill kill kill the spawn and as soon as the renound spawns just honor yourself and go in and use all you have to bang him down as fast as possible while they run around dying from the other spawn or trying to res dead pets while getting hit, why you just spank the boss ;)

    little trade secret there but it works wonders to **** off the people who **** you off.. As there like.... O00ooo0oo0oo and your like FU wait till its dead and the corpse opens to all :p

    Thunderz
     
  35. Thunderz

    Thunderz Certifiable
    Stratics Veteran

    Joined:
    Jun 3, 2008
    Messages:
    1,729
    Likes Received:
    64
    Its going back to farming mate as people just write scripts to farm a spawn [which is scarrly easy to do] and it doenst matter if others are there as your GUARANTEED an arti. I like this renound system as there is ways to beat others, if you hunt a spawn long enough you find the trix and key points to it which make the spawn easier for you were as the scirpters cant script it and the noobs just learn it.

    I think id call it game tactics, learning how to play the game [unlike most of todays era that can download cheets lol]

    we cant, we learn cheets and as we do we report them and they get fixxed.

    If we didnt the game would of died its death at AOS.

    I think thats what keeps UO alive.

    Thunderz
     
  36. the 4th man

    the 4th man Lore Master
    Stratics Veteran Stratics Legend

    Joined:
    Jul 31, 2005
    Messages:
    1,090
    Likes Received:
    45
    Yeah right, Seige, like Fel., is a failed concept. That's why no one goes and those there have to beg for players. Tram is not hello kitty, or pink and fluff.....it's called not dealing with morons, or cheaters, or just plain nutjobs.

    Oceania has more players.:thumbup1:
     
  37. kelmo

    kelmo Old and in the way
    Professional Stratics Veteran Alumni Dread Lord

    Joined:
    May 12, 2008
    Messages:
    17,380
    Likes Received:
    4,702
    Then I fail I suppose. I would rather be a failure on Siege than ... *bites tounge*
     
  38. omgmir

    omgmir Guest

    While I agree with you in theory, if it was 8 years ago or whenever Siege was introduced I would be there.

    But in today's game, with me starting over fresh, the choice isn't tram server or Fel server. The choice is living server or dying server. :(

    No surprise I went with Atlantic.
     
  39. Thangorodrim

    Thangorodrim Guest

    It strikes me as a strange conceit to assume exclusive access to resources in a multiplayer game.
     
  40. Aran

    Aran INFRACTION INFRACTION INFRACTION!
    Stratics Veteran Stratics Legend -A-

    Joined:
    Apr 1, 2000
    Messages:
    14,717
    Likes Received:
    1,021
    Uh... what Trammel do you play in where there are no morons, cheaters, or nutjobs?
     
  41. Vaelix

    Vaelix Guest

    No cheaters in Tram?

    Isn't Trammel that place where Scripters and AFK Macroers can go to their hearts content because they cannot be Killed, Stolen from, or any of the other Negative effects we can do on Siege when we find someone cheating?

    Tram : I see a Scripter.. I Page on GM and wait 10 Hours, nothing happens.

    Siege : I see a Scripter.. Flamestrike.. /end

    Brain much?
     
  42. Kiminality

    Kiminality Guest

    (Aran plays Trammel :p)
     
  43. Theo_GL

    Theo_GL Grand Poobah
    Stratics Veteran Stratics Legend

    Joined:
    Sep 2, 2003
    Messages:
    6,415
    Likes Received:
    686
    You need to get an Wii and play some dance dance revolution or something. Uo is not a single player game. We are all here to fight down the evil monsters found in the underworld.

    I'll jump in any dangerous spawn when I see it. You don't own the spawn.

    You want a single player game - go play one.
     
  44. Alvinho

    Alvinho Great Lakes Forever!
    Stratics Veteran

    Joined:
    Sep 7, 2003
    Messages:
    14,075
    Likes Received:
    2

    So you duel client and cry taht someone is there while your hands are full with you playing 2 different charactor? It boggles my mind the blaintent things that people do.
     
  45. bumblefutz

    bumblefutz Guest

    I know, the average Siege player probably reads this and goes "Dude, you saw another player?" then goes back to posting "PLEASE TRY SIEGE" threads.
     
  46. Vaelix

    Vaelix Guest

    We're there (On siege) Its just we dont sit around banks holding hands, hugging trees, or various other "Peaceful" Related things.

    As I Said, In todays UO Mindset, you get people like this who are complaining about their *Monster* being attacked... Without even thinking about the fact that hes 100% Killable..

    Where on Siege, If i see a player in the Abyss, they are dead.. None of this "Hey, may i please help you so we can talk about our Days and how much we like flowers, and pink stuff, and super hugs?"
     
  47. Lefty

    Lefty Lore Keeper
    Stratics Veteran

    Joined:
    May 17, 2008
    Messages:
    894
    Likes Received:
    67
    I would bring a few mage friends who have a energy field and wall of stone fetish.
     
  48. WarUltima

    WarUltima Babbling Loonie
    Stratics Veteran

    Joined:
    Mar 3, 2004
    Messages:
    2,385
    Likes Received:
    0
    I could be wrong but I dont think those works in tram.
    As far as I know anything you can do in tram that result in limited freedom of another player is considered grieving which is a banable offense. Instead to get massive reports on QQing trammies they made fields to not work in tram.

    I dont even think other players can dispel your EVs or cast reveal on you in that pink and loving land.
     
  49. Kiminality

    Kiminality Guest

    Going for a bit of Devil's Advocate here...
    How is it any less selfish to claim a freely attackable monster as your own, especially when the other stages of that particular spawn group aren't going to happen when it's dead.
    If I'm looking for a particular ingredient that only comes from that spawn, then I propose that the one claiming the renowned as their own, and label anyone who'd help to kill it as a jerk, is the selfish one.
    Just saying.
     
  50. Der Rock

    Der Rock Guest

    sorry ,that is NONSENSE
    what do YOU do if all mini champs are taken and YOU ask them and NOBODY want your help...
    what do YOU then??????
    logout ???????

    nobody owns the champs !
    be glad it is trammel ruleset...so you still have a fair 50% chance to get YOUR artie
    in fel most times you have 0% chance

    it IS alowed to kill every monster you want !

    you can go and kill mini bosses or you can look and wait till there is a cold day in hell to get an artie.

    would be nice if this neverending nonsense "my boss my boss" discussion would have an end.
    i do many mini bosses in the abyss and NEVER be upset if other player kill them to...
    it is called (MASSIVLY)MULTIPLAYER ONLINEGAME !

    if people dont like it this way....do medusa,styg.dragon or something like that

    shaking my head :(