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Replicas from exodus encounters should be same as original, please support!

Discussion in 'UHall' started by slayer888, Nov 5, 2012.

  1. slayer888

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    Hi, I think that recently due to whatever unknown reason why would developer make such a huge change.

    A replica means all properties and functions EVEN appearance remains the same as per the original version

    All previous history replicas are the same in this current situations, I cannot tell how many people are affected by these those who got the original versions of something (including myself) have got the original items value depreciated due to the replicas..

    But now, developers decide to just make this thing goes unfair totally and benefit only those some people who got these items which is totally wrong:-

    1. These items are used heavily in pvp especially on the bracer which provide a higher edge when come to player competitions. As mentioned, any items affected pvp or pve should not be restricted for priority only for the minority.

    2. These items are not POF, where the original can. This is what makes the big difference of it.

    3. These items should remain as 150 durability same as the replica we've been getting all the time.

    4. These are not decorations, decorations have not effect on pvp or pve and therefore it doesn't matter how rarity it could go up to.

    So in another words, all properties should be the same as the original version except it cannot be POF.

    Sorry, I don't type good English but I hope to express my feeling for this unfairness.
     
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    I agree all replica should have the same attributes as the real version. The whole systems changes if all of a sudden items with the same name dont have the same properties. If something needs to be done then make specific replicas harder to get but dont nerf them.
     
  3. Madrid

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    You got my vote!:thumbup:
     
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    Totally agree. Mods should be the same as the original item. Durability should be 150.
     
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    There is a difference between the champion spawn replica items and the replica's of the cure event rewards. The former are mostly replicas of the old EM event items given on single shards, while the latter are replicas of the rewards of an event that was announced on the website, was open for anyone to participate in at any time since it ran for more than a month. If you think about the amount of time, effort and resources spent by the players who were awarded the original cure rewards, you can understand why their replicas don't have the exact properties.

    I think the only item from the cure rewards that is being used in pvp is the bracers, I don't think anyone is actually using the amulet or the staff in pvp, or even in pvm, so let's only focus on that item. If we check the differences between the replica and the original:

    Hit Fireball 40% 35%, Mana Regeneration 5 4, Physical Resist 15% 10%, other Resists 10% 8%

    So we need to explain how Hit Fireball 5%, Mana Regeneration 1, Physical Resist 5% and other resists 2% are such huge game changers in terms of pvp.
     
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    Yes I support the OP. See no good reason to redefine the term "replica". I also understand the items offered in this encounter reflect items available during this arc, and applaud that decision. I would also think going further back and making other event items from around the time of SA release and going forward available would have benefit.

    Also still looking for opportunities to have more off armor slotted items available. Some is certainly better than none, but I look forward, with anticipation, to more choices.
     
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    eye candy...
    go trammies go!
     
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  8. slayer888

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    Ok, so what you mean that if someone just took a break from UO and then they will forever not able to compete with anyone that didn't take a break?

    Also, there is soemthing called RNG in this game which really sucks for majority of the people you know. I mean there is nothing to whine about RNG, its just bad luck and good luck and how efficient you farm etc... all kind of elements that calculate towards whether u get that reward or not..

    But anyways, there are people who do 104394839843984 times cure do not get the bracers.. and there are people who get multiple bracers for only few times they do.

    I think this honestly isn't fair. So basically, UO announced EM events and then you dont get the chance to participate and you should have replicas exactly the same as per the original? Whilst, this open event where you dont get a chance on that and you get a NERFED version of replica? Anyways, why do we still call it replica though?

    Moreover, speaking of fact, all the items are being used in pvm and pvp.

    1. bracer = must be used and that 2% extra resist and 1 mr and 5% fireball DOES make a differnce.

    Will you like 69 DCI compare to 70 dci? 44 HCI or 45 HCI? please just answer me this..

    2. the alchemy bonus 5% is huge when making potions and making potions benefit both pvm and pvp, it is essential to have those... and that 5% accumulated by 23092302930 players will have a huge effect

    3. the healing bonus 5% extra actualyl benefits a lot in pvm or even pvp. What's the healing bonus means that all bandage heals will increase by 5 more %... so a tamer healing their pet will have 5% extra damage healed, thats a huge difference.

    But the main point is that, replicas have been in this way for how many years now? Why suddenly change it so that it only benefits such a small community and making the price of the original item 3489030934090 times higher ???

    These are not decorations as I mentioned..

    If the bracer, the staff, the amulet original version have 0 effect, I wouldn't be posting about this here honestly.
     
  9. Eaerendil

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    I think, the items should be real replicas - I support the OP!
     
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    You guys are hopeless. Not one of you has a solid argument on this topic beyond "wahh I didn't get the shiny I want it too!" Could you be any more stereotypically greedy? And OP if you can't "compete" with other players because you don't have cure sleeves, your problems are far beyond needing a replica.

    A couple stat points aren't going to make or break any of you. If you missed the event, that's unfortunate, but why should you get something that people worked hard to earn just because you weren't around or were too busy/lazy to try? And before you start crying about scripting, there were many legitimate players with normal lives that received the top items, they were smart about it and you weren't. Why should you feel entitled to their reward? Get over yourselves.

    2 weeks ago no one even knew these replicas would exist, now you're all up in arms because they toned them down from the originals? Are you children? Think, speak. Stop making asses out of yourselves.
     
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    If only for the sake of continuity they should be exact copies. Devs/Mesanna don't go changing the rules to suit your self please. If you are going to do replicas please make them exact copies of the original or this just sets a unjust precedence for the future.
     
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    Equal playing field, equal stats! Supported!
     
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    Well said.
    I dont need to say anything now. :)
     
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    I think "forever not be able to compete with" is a little exaggerated, but I see your point. The cure event reward distribution system was a disaster, I think it couldn't have been designed worse. However, if they are going to make the global event rewards available -that was rewarded to those who turned in the most cures on their shard to get that item for this case, without knowing that it would be available in replica form later-, then they should do so for all event rewards, which you will certainly agree that would be fair. Thus, there should also be a Ranger's Cloak replica or Conjurer's Garb replica as well, and an announcement on every global event that the rewards will certainly be available in replica forms later. While not a useful item itself, if the collectors' value of the original item can be maintained with the replica tag, then there should certainly be a 15th Anniversary Robe replica too. If not, and this is only about a single item, then we will lose accountability.
     
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    well i vote with ya!
     
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    Why is it so bad to have a few unique items in the game? As long as the replicas have a reason to be used I don't care if they are slightly less potent. If they are useless...well, that's just wasted developer time.
     
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    I realy spent 2 days to think about any cons they should NOT be as replicas are currently in game - and found no cons..
    You got my Vote - they should be limited to 150 dura and thats it - otherwise its no REPLICA because:

    "A replica is an exact reproduction"

    Replica - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
     
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    replicas should be exact copies .....its in the name....if its not the same then simply drop the replica tags...[:next:]
     
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  19. Goodmann

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    yes they should be the same otherwise don't name them REPLICAS name them Lesser Replicas
     
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    When I look at the effort that went into getting the originals - vs. the effort of killing exodus... I have to disagree... the larger effort getting the originals should have a greater reward.
     
  21. slayer888

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    Thank you for slapping your own face.

    Why then all existing replicas = same as their original? EXACTLY THE SAME EVEN THE APPEARANCE

    The main point you dont freakin get and you dont even use your brain to think honestly. You tell me to think, speak and then stop making asses out of myself? HUHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH

    So when you go do champ spawn get a replica nowadays EXACTLY THE SAME from the original, you are making asses out of yourself?

    Are you children?

    You dont even get my main point and you're trying to show yourself as a TRUE BOSS... holy crap! Please yea, rethink before you speak again.

    Thanks!
     
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    Disagree with you also.

    The effort of getting a say for example the following

    "LT sash" "DJ ring" "Gladiator Collar" etc..........

    ALL FAR EXCEED the difficulty to obtain than the stupid reptitive cure event that has poor RNG rolls.

    Again, then why would we get REPLICAS exactly the same for LT sash, DJ ring, Gladriator, etc........ nowadays?

    I mean EXACTLY the same even the APPEARANCE.

    Now you see what our DEV has implemented, making it a REPLICA yet changed nearly EVERY single mod on those items + appearance as well.

    Alright, so DEV, before you make anymore replica in the future, please think twice and dont name something "replica" when its not okay?

    Moreover, the point is, I have already stated that the differences between EVEN 1% resist is huge in gear set up. Now the differences are not only that if you compare. 5% healing + 5% alchemy bonus... Holy crap, its like giving you are 20% talisman VS a 15% talisman on alchemy, you can try how many times you fail your crafting. Its like you're healing for 100 damage compare to 95 damage.

    Honestly, these type of items that have an advantage to players in environment shouldn't be limited to the minority of players.
     
  23. Tjalle

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    My vote would fall on changing the name from Replica to something else if that would make players happ(y/ier) but keep the mods as they are...
     
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    Wow, contradict yourself much? You go from complaining about how the cure sleeves are so OP you can't compete without them, to comparing it with replicas currently on the market (which are hardly OP with few exceptions) and you still have the lack of reading comprehension to even understand what I'm saying in my post.

    All you did in your post was try unsuccessfully to insult me, and in the process display your third grade grammar level and lack of articulation. That's sadly not a good way to get your point across, invalid though it may be.

    I'm not into debating with children, and in this case I don't think it's even necessary. The devs made a clear choice, and despite what many of you think they are not stupid enough to change it at this point so some whiny forum troll can feel like he's special too.

    In the meanwhile I suggest you start looking for a new excuse as to why you can't play as well as everyone else, and maybe brush up on some high school level English courses so you don't come across as an angry 9 year old.
     
  25. Eaerendil

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    Gospel: Maybe you should re-read the OPs concerning "The Cure"... Then you would understand, why hoping for a true replica of the sleeves isn´t document of hopless and immature behaviour. I didn´t criticize the "Exodus"-fight - it was fair and RNG. And I wasn´t among those that complained about having unfair competition because of +5-stats. But I criticized the way "The Cure" was designed and most people agreed. We all were happy that the Devs listened to our hopes and implemented an alternative to obtain this item. And I truely can understand that many people want them as exact copies. It is not about greed, jealousy, "gimme gimme gimme"-mood. To me, its about the chance to get one of these thingies (which were sold for billions - absoultely not understandable to me). I want them, because I am thinking about designing a funny new template and suit around them. That is one of my hobbies - and I love the idea to get a new champ that offers this opportunity.

    I would love to have them as exact copy of the event item - just like all other replicas. I would try to make a wrestling/necro/mage for large mobs (as I am not interested in PVP). So, it is not about "I want something I didnt get because I was lazy"... It is about: "I had no chance to get this item, no matter how hard I tried - and now I am imagining how lovely a template with these sleeves would be"...

    Is that childish? Huh...
     
  26. Eaerendil

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    Gospel again:

    Your problem is, that you obviously didn´t understand the community´s criticism concerning "The Cure". It was about the way the event was designed. But well, it´s always easier to generally judge about people than to seriously inspect the discourse about this problem. And it was a very constructive and elaborate discourse that filled at least two long threads over weeks...

    I would say, it´s childish to call people discussing the mechanics of an event "lazy"... But we had EXACTLY this discussion some weeks ago...
     
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    And for that effort you get an item that lasts forever, while the replica should only have 150 durability and a limited life span
     
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    My vote is for same stats for the replicas (bracers, amulet and staff) with 150 durability and not-pofable just like they always did for others replicas. The cure event was poorly designed with 2 or 3 top rewards per shard which was totally fail rewarding system based on the numbers of players participing. The LT sash or glad collar if I remember were rare RNG drop at EM events and they came out with SAME stats replicas so why not on these cures rewards?
     
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    It would be nice if the items were the exact same stats... especially since in the most recent publish notes, it's stated

    * If the replicas were able to be powdered/repaired (last forever) I could see the stats being reduced as they currently are, but it's not the case.

    My Vote = Replicate the stats of the originals and reduce durability to 150/150.
     
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    The main point is that why current replicas = EXACTLY SAME AS THE ORIGINAL

    Why the sleeves replica has to be different???????????????????

    WHATS the difference between those 2 items, they are just as rares and as useful honestly.

    Hold up, don't get off topic and start attacking my English skills aite? When you can't even name 1 freakin reason why the replica is different from this cure bullcrap event from the UO past events.

    Holy crap, I dont understand why you could still continue to slap your own face and then yap your mouth here.. yes honestly..

    Think and then speak again.

    After reading across your whole message, all I can say is that, its a bunch of attacking bullcrap...
     
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    When I look at the effort of getting the LT sash vs the effort of killing champ spawns, I have to disagree, the larger effort getting the original LT sash should have a greater reward thus all those existing replicas should be NERFED.

    RIGHT RIGHT RIGHT?

    Geez... you guys still don't get it... my goodness.

    These are PVP and PVE items, replica come out is to CLOSE THE GAP between ALL players. By nerfing one item different from the original making it pointless and further overpowering the minority party ONLY.

    As mentioned, these are not decoration rares.. I dont mind decoration rares going over 10340439403 mils but having those pvp and pve related items NOT EVEN sellable in the market, it must be a NO NO NO NO NO NO NO
     
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    My vote would fall on changing the name from Replica to something else for ALL EXISTING REPLICAS and then nerf their mods such as the following:-

    Gladiator collar
    8 hci
    less 3% resist for all
    hp +8

    LT sash
    MR 1
    LRC 8
    INT 3

    etc........

    The list goes on

    So if the DEVs do the above, I will agree they change the mod from the original of these coming up replicas.

    Otherwise, its a NONONONONONONONO!!!!
     
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    Its to late now! This publish is now off the Test Center and its on Live shards now. They wont change anything now.

    Another case of Poor leadership from the top. Some day they may understand that doing what they want rather than what we want gets us no where other than disgruntled.
     
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    It wouldn't make any difference to them. This thread has nothing to do with misrepresentation of the word "replica" and everything to do with "gimme, gimme, gimme".

    I have no idea who got the real bracers on my shard, but all kudos to them.
     
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    Really will they put replicas weakers than originals ?! I'm stunned that they do that, I guess bracers along with others replicas will be good for floor locking down! The bracers of alchemical devastation [replica] do not deserve the replica name btw ! Change name for Bracers of alchemical Devastation [lesser replica] or maybe Bracers of alchemical Disappointment !
     
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    Just my two cents... If it is a replica, it should be a replica. If they want the mods changed to preserve the uniqueness of the original, I'm ok with that too, just call them something else and let them be POFable. I have a very hard time understanding the cluster thinking of what they did.

    Like someone else said, at this point it is too late, it's already on prod shards. IMO it is one more example of a team that is out of touch.
     
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    To late now but really who is going to bother using these items save for the +5 scroll? Would it be so hard to get two of the items if you are so worried about them breaking? I have yet to have to replace a single replica I've used and I suspect I've repaired them twice at best. The only item that is even slightly worth the effort are the gloves and then only a very small amount of people are going to actually use them but at the end of the day this thread is a waste of energy for little reward.
     
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    True that nothing can be formed but really the limited bonus that such a item might add to a suit is slight at best. Nifty item yes but as others have said that without some form of HCI the chances of the HFB going off is next to nothing. Limited resists, no LMC or LRC, no HPI or mana or stam(not really important but still) and only slightly more usefull than the old inqis.

    Hardly worth this thread, IMO. Farm for two and never use either.
     
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    I want the bracers, the scroll, and the legs but I hope they turn the legs into a mage armor item.
     
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    Me probably.
     
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    There is never too late.

    Even in pub 79 they couldnt change, they could change it in 79.01 or 80 or 81 or 82 or 83..

    As long as something is WRONG, they can fix it and change it... there is never too late.

    As long as we voice our opinion, they see it someday.

    I recall when I talk about the bugged quiver of rage long time ago and they fixed immediately in the next patch while 50+% of the people are flaming me for that in forum... but now this thread has pretty much 90+% people supporting, I see it more chance they will flip the coin.

    Anyways, we did our job, whether the DEV will change or not, its on their hands now.

    If they do, UO is still a good game with good developer who care about people.. but if they dont, just little disappointment that how they would like to distinguish further of the minority towards to majority.

    pvp and pve related items NEVER should be only restricted to minority people whether it be even a 1% resisting differnce... its WRONG.

    Thank you.
     
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